Bags of holding.

[Missing_Minds]

I'm curious. What rulling would you make on this.

Fruit stored in a bag of holding. Would it age and rot or not?

[Braegan]

I would say that it would.

Re-reading the entry the only thing that stands out to me is that a living creature in a bag of holding can survive up to 10 minutes before it suffocates. So the only thing clear about the bags storage is that it is an area devoid of air. Nothing else stands out about it be a preserving feature. Especially when considering something as quick spoiling as fruit.

[Missing_Minds]

Emm... no air.

Then... McDonnalds would be good indeffinatly.

[Enoach]

Emm... no air.

Then... McDonnalds would be good indeffinatly.

That's more because there is no Water in their product, which is why a burger tastes the same 10 years later. :)

My ruling as a DM would be that it would spoil, but at a reduced rate then what it would spoil being in a pack. The reason is that it would not be exposed to changes in temperature like extreme heat (wilting) or cold (moister being turned to ice crystals) and it would not be exposed to conditions that would cause bruising/breakage. It would basically have the same spoilage time as if it was in a root cellar.

[Missing_Minds]

That makes good sense. Now to see how much my player (aka my wife) remembers that her character loaded a bag of holding full of bananas.

Given it isn't a serious campain.... I just know I'm going to be in for more pain. The character is already just eating the peals and tossing the fruit away. *sigh* But that is what you get for dealing with another world's equivalent to kobolds.

[UurlockYgmeov]

As someone who is extremely familiar with food, spoilage, and food safety - I must point out that without oxygen food can't spoil (or spoil the same way). most spoilage organism require an 'aerobic' environment. That is why vacuum packed foods last longer. In fact in Europe, cruise ships receive pallets of fresh berries that have been sealed, the oxygen removed, and CO2 pumped in. The berries look funny (blueish) for about 15 minutes after they are removed from the environment, but they don't spoil (but they do go bad after a period of time - just takes a much longer time).

However, over ripening of bananas (and many other things like tomatoes, melons, fruit, avocados(aka ethylene-sensitive items)) is another thing. The bananas (and all of those in this category) release a gas (Ethylene - C2H4)that speeds up ripening of all ethylene sensitive food.

So all sensitive items would become overripe but might not spoil.... or spoil much slower since the bag would be filled with Ethylene. :P


http://ripening-fruit.com/banana
http://ripening-fruit.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Banana_Ripening_Guide.207130956_std.JPG

Hope this helps.

OH there are food safety issues with anaerobic environments - specifically the spores that the Clostridium botulinum bacteria produce.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulism

[Missing_Minds]

Wow.... so over thinking this. *grins* lets keep it going then.

Yeah, apples also do this sort of thing, don't they?

So... while no spoil exactly (I'm not planing on saying fungus spores are present at the moment), they could become over ripe and mush still, just takes longer? vs. be "fresh" for a much much longer time period?

[Braegan]

Wow.... so over thinking this. *grins* lets keep it going then.

Yeah, apples also do this sort of thing, don't they?

So... while no spoil exactly (I'm not planing on saying fungus spores are present at the moment), they could become over ripe and mush still, just takes longer? vs. be "fresh" for a much much longer time period?

Well, since we are overthinking stuff...

One thing I read and always enjoyed thinking about:

A wizard cast polymorph on my ranger and turned him into a glass of water and then proceeded to drink that glass of water.

What happens?



*note* This question was originally posted some time ago, bonus points for knowing where. :)

[lyrecono]

It wouldn't work, the new form may be of the same type as the subject or any of the following types: aberration, animal, dragon, fey, giant, humanoid, magical beast, monstrous humanoid, ooze, plant, or vermin.

more info here: (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/polymorph.htm)

Maybe you mean another form changing spell?

anyway, if i were a DM and the spell would work (target might get a save if he knows this might end badly), the ranger will turn back into pieces partially inside the wizard.

[Uska]

I would say that it would.

Re-reading the entry the only thing that stands out to me is that a living creature in a bag of holding can survive up to 10 minutes before it suffocates. So the only thing clear about the bags storage is that it is an area devoid of air. Nothing else stands out about it be a preserving feature. Especially when considering something as quick spoiling as fruit.

no there is air in there it is just used up in 10 minutes