Disable device without multi-class

[Black-Wolf6995]

Hi everyone, I'm just starting to play again after a long while and want to try out a Druid but I need to know how to get the disable device feat without multi-class if that is possible? Thanks

[Hobgoblin]

it is not.

you need to have at least one level of rogue or arti to disable device.

[UurlockYgmeov]

it is not.

you need to have at least one level of rogue or arti to disable device.

normally no, but there are two ways: hireling and pug. :P

consider a rogue hireling a cheap +30% xp stacking pot!

[FuzzyDuck81]

UMDing a find traps scroll temporarily gives you the trapfinding feat, which removes the whole "capped 20 DC search for non-trappers to find a box or hidden door" thing, then so long as you invest points in the disable device & search skills you might be able to be a non-rogue/arty trapper for easier stuff? Considering the heavy skill point investment though, it's likely not worth the effort.

The scroll trick is pretty handy though, it's worth keeping a few in your pack (or just take the spell as a divine) combined with a nice +search item for a number of quests to find hidden doors - and as an insight bonus to the search skill, it stacks & can supply those last couple of points for a rogue or arty if necessary.

[Vellrad]

UMDing a find traps scroll temporarily gives you the trapfinding feat, which removes the whole "capped 20 DC search for non-trappers to find a box or hidden door" thing, then so long as you invest points in the disable device & search skills you might be able to be a non-rogue/arty trapper for easier stuff? Considering the heavy skill point investment though, it's likely not worth the effort.

The scroll trick is pretty handy though, it's worth keeping a few in your pack (or just take the spell as a divine) combined with a nice +search item for a number of quests to find hidden doors - and as an insight bonus to the search skill, it stacks & can supply those last couple of points for a rogue or arty if necessary.

not gonna work, dd is class only skill

[FuzzyDuck81]

not gonna work, dd is class only skill

True class-only, not "only non-cross class for those 2"? ok didn't realise that, not even perform has that limitation - will have to confirm for myself when i get home from work.

Edit: Yep, verified. That's a shame, though not really surprising.

[Buddha5440]

DD is a bit of a hybrid skill. You have to be either a rogue or arti to open the skill but after you have taken 1 level in either of those classes, it becomes a cross-class skill for all other classes.

[Uska]

UMDing a find traps scroll temporarily gives you the trapfinding feat, which removes the whole "capped 20 DC search for non-trappers to find a box or hidden door" thing, then so long as you invest points in the disable device & search skills you might be able to be a non-rogue/arty trapper for easier stuff? Considering the heavy skill point investment though, it's likely not worth the effort.

The scroll trick is pretty handy though, it's worth keeping a few in your pack (or just take the spell as a divine) combined with a nice +search item for a number of quests to find hidden doors - and as an insight bonus to the search skill, it stacks & can supply those last couple of points for a rogue or arty if necessary.

You can invest in search as a non rogue/arty but you can't disable

[Uska]

DD is a bit of a hybrid skill. You have to be either a rogue or arti to open the skill but after you have taken 1 level in either of those classes, it becomes a cross-class skill for all other classes.

Except once you have it its not really cross class as cross class has a lower limit then you would have in DD you can take it as high as a pure it just costs you 2 points per non rogue/arty level

[CThruTheEgo]

True class-only, not "only non-cross class for those 2"? ok didn't realise that, not even perform has that limitation

Perform used to have this limitation as well, but that was changed after they made perform the skill for sonic spell power.

[Gizeh]

You can activate a "N/A skill", i.e. a class exclusive skill, by using a skill tome. My main character has used a Perform +2 tome a while ago, and he does have a bonus in perform right now even though he's a pure rogue (I switched to shadowdancer to make sure he doesn't get perform from any EDs). Ability modifiers, skill gear, spells like greater heroism, and epic skill levels add to the bonus. However I don't know if you can put ranks into a skill which has been unlocked this way.

Edit: I hadn't read the above posts on perform and didn't know it had been changed; but if you have a OL or DD skill tome lying around it might still be worth a try to see what happens.

[Lonnbeimnech]

There are 2 ways to do traps without multiclassing.

1. be a pure rogue.
2. be a pure arti.

[CThruTheEgo]

You can activate a "N/A skill", i.e. a class exclusive skill, by using a skill tome. My main character has used a Perform +2 tome a while ago, and he does have a bonus in perform right now even though he's a pure rogue (I switched to shadowdancer to make sure he doesn't get perform from any EDs). Ability modifiers, skill gear, spells like greater heroism, and epic skill levels add to the bonus. However I don't know if you can put ranks into a skill which has been unlocked this way.

As mentioned above, perform is a unique case because it is used for sonic spell power. I'm pretty sure someone tested if you can use the disable skill on a non-trapper class by unlocking it with tomes and the answer was no. Don't remember where that was now.

[Gizeh]

As mentioned above, perform is a unique case because it is used for sonic spell power. I'm pretty sure someone tested if you can use the disable skill on a non-trapper class by unlocking it with tomes and the answer was no. Don't remember where that was now.

Just tried that and used a +1 Disable Device tome on a freshly created monk. The tome had applied correctly (it showed on mouse hovering over the skill), but the skill remained unavailable. I must have missed the change on Perform.

[Enoach]

You can activate a "N/A skill", i.e. a class exclusive skill, by using a skill tome. My main character has used a Perform +2 tome a while ago, and he does have a bonus in perform right now even though he's a pure rogue (I switched to shadowdancer to make sure he doesn't get perform from any EDs). Ability modifiers, skill gear, spells like greater heroism, and epic skill levels add to the bonus. However I don't know if you can put ranks into a skill which has been unlocked this way.

Edit: I hadn't read the above posts on perform and didn't know it had been changed; but if you have a OL or DD skill tome lying around it might still be worth a try to see what happens.

It is because Perform is no longer a Class Specific skill that it can be used. Again this was changed when Sonic Spell Power got attached.

Skill like Open Lock and Disable Device still require spending at least 1 Skill Point in order to use as you cannot make an Untrained skill check with these (Any Skill with n/a instead of 0 as a starting point are skills that require training to use) The Skill Tomes will not open these Required Training Skills.

So as one poster posted earlier the only options available to be able to do traps on a pure druid
1. Rogue Hireling (Turbine Points <- But cheaper than XP pots purchase. Also being gold seal you can wait to summon at the traps)
2. A party member has these skills. Now if you see the section on Multiboxing you could in theory use a different account and have a rogue level up with you.

[SirValentine]

You can activate a "N/A skill", i.e. a class exclusive skill, by using a skill tome.


A "N/A" skill is not the same as a class-exclusive skill. It can be a "trained-only" skill without being exclusive to certain classes.

Also, a skill tome doesn't always "activate" a skill, either. Although a Tumble tome will make you appear to have a Tumble skill value instead of "N/A", you'll still only hop around, instead of tumbling, no matter how high your score is, unless you actually invest skill points in it.

I wish they'd fix Perform to stop being trained-only. There's no reason for it.