DDOGamer: WoW Bans 100,000 Players For Botting

[geoffhanna]

"We don't serve their kind"

-> Botting and DDO (http://www.gamergeoff.com/wow-bans-100000-players-for-botting/)

[cdbd3rd]

While I continue to hunt for the specific quote I alluded to in your comments, here's a relic from the past - a thread started by our very own pre-Cordo Jerry. ;)

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/218272-Macros-and-ethics-question


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Found it:


https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/391703-Anyone-here-know-how-to-write-scripts-for-Auto-Hotkey?p=4684120&viewfull=1#post4684120


Here's an official stance:

As long as -you-, a living, breathing person, are at the keyboard, it's alright.

No bannings for automation/macro use will happen without a Game Master first trying to communicate with the player in question. That's a fairly rigorous process that includes opening a window on your screen saying to check your tells because a GM has been trying to contact you, and they also wait at least a minute for a response.

[Cordovan]

While I continue to hunt for the specific quote I alluded to in your comments, here's a relic from the past - a thread started by our very own pre-Cordo Jerry. ;)

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/218272-Macros-and-ethics-question


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Found it:


https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/391703-Anyone-here-know-how-to-write-scripts-for-Auto-Hotkey?p=4684120&viewfull=1#post4684120

I'd forgotten about that! :) End result: Never actually worked very well...

[psykopeta]

iirc u gotta pay wow monthly so, if someone wants to pay 3,6 or 10x every month... it's ok for me

if someone decides to abuse, exploit or whatever, to get "certain gear" it's ok for me

i mean, if they find it fun that way... who i am to deny it to them? o_O

ofc, some people could argue about "it's not fair" or "they don't deserve having that piece of gear", which leads me again to the reason why me, or whoever plays: to have fun, you at your way, and i'll do it at my way

some players prefered 50x exp wow servers, some prefered custom gear servers or others prefered "blizzlike", but most followed the same patron: having fun w/o paying a monthly fee

and wow decides to ban 100.000 at once, just... WoW they got some nice and big balls, that's... 1.000.000$ less per month?

PS: that's why ddo shouldn't ever have pvp, these level of "low intelligent decisions" come from stuff like pvp, and the ego measuring of it

[Powskier]

future possible income loss;but I doubt there are refunds to those that paid already..edit, and integrity is way more valuable

[FifthTime]

It must be nice to even have 100K people to ban...

If we are lucky, and if Turbine started to do a little targeted advertising, maybe we could get a few of them to try DDO.


But, as my grandpa always said, you can wish in one hand and s__t in the other and see which fills up faster.

[Chai]

Im wondering how much of their research correlated bot-ing to account selling and or item/plat farming, which is also something frowned on by player communities and ban-able in most MMO companies.

[DemonMage]

Im wondering how much of their research correlated bot-ing to account selling and or item/plat farming, which is also something frowned on by player communities and ban-able in most MMO companies.

Not a lot. Most of the gold sellers are using compromised accounts for gold, rather than actually farming it. The people banned in this wave were (almost?) all using one particular program.
Plus you can buy/self game time for gold in WoW and lots of other top MMOs now, that's the current move to cut out gold sellers. Just let people buy and sell eStore stuff for gold as well as real money. Like Raid Timer Resets!

[Uska]

If only DDO would do,it to the dupers

[Dragnipurake]

if someone decides to abuse, exploit or whatever, to get "certain gear" it's ok for me

i mean, if they find it fun that way... who i am to deny it to them? o_O

ofc, some people could argue about "it's not fair" or "they don't deserve having that piece of gear", which leads me again to the reason why me, or whoever plays: to have fun, you at your way, and i'll do it at my way


You are missing some important things here:

Those "players" do not stop when they have their gear. The next step is to flood the game economy with this cheat gear. Which destroys the economy. Which in turn annoys players. Which in turn can lead to player loss etc..

Alternatively or in parallel they start to sell this cheat gear for real money. Which violates copyrights etc.. And it leads to less income for the ingame stores. Which then can have all types of negative impact in the game.

And it leads to a drop in player quality as well. Which also influences the game community and the game reputation etc.. I have seen that in D2 when absolute newcomers suddenly fielded equipment that the average gamer with several years of playtime hardly could have acquired legally. Which lead to a stupid increase in what you were expected to wear in order to be accepted in groups etc..

In short: live and let live is usually only a guaranteed path to shorten a games lifetime.

[Uska]

iirc u gotta pay wow monthly so, if someone wants to pay 3,6 or 10x every month... it's ok for me

if someone decides to abuse, exploit or whatever, to get "certain gear" it's ok for me

i mean, if they find it fun that way... who i am to deny it to them? o_O

ofc, some people could argue about "it's not fair" or "they don't deserve having that piece of gear", which leads me again to the reason why me, or whoever plays: to have fun, you at your way, and i'll do it at my way

some players prefered 50x exp wow servers, some prefered custom gear servers or others prefered "blizzlike", but most followed the same patron: having fun w/o paying a monthly fee

and wow decides to ban 100.000 at once, just... WoW they got some nice and big balls, that's... 1.000.000$ less per month?

PS: that's why ddo shouldn't ever have pvp, these level of "low intelligent decisions" come from stuff like pvp, and the ego measuring of it

All cheaters should be banned

[psykopeta]

You are missing some important things here:

Those "players" do not stop when they have their gear. The next step is to flood the game economy with this cheat gear. Which destroys the economy. Which in turn annoys players. Which in turn can lead to player loss etc..

Alternatively or in parallel they start to sell this cheat gear for real money. Which violates copyrights etc.. And it leads to less income for the ingame stores. Which then can have all types of negative impact in the game.

And it leads to a drop in player quality as well. Which also influences the game community and the game reputation etc.. I have seen that in D2 when absolute newcomers suddenly fielded equipment that the average gamer with several years of playtime hardly could have acquired legally. Which lead to a stupid increase in what you were expected to wear in order to be accepted in groups etc..

In short: live and let live is usually only a guaranteed path to shorten a games lifetime.

butbut arena gear is or was bound!

or whatever it's called in wow

at least that's what comes to my mind XDDDDD

[Angelic-council]

Good thing I have a friend who work at the blizzard inc. They didn't ban many players permenently. Many of them got temporal ban, 2 month... 6 month.. Well, they got what they deserved :p

[Angelic-council]

future possible income loss;but I doubt there are refunds to those that paid already..edit, and integrity is way more valuable

Naah.. Believe me. Blizzard make more money advertising other products and selling them. Online game is just a small part of it.

[Powskier]

Naah.. Believe me. Blizzard make more money advertising other products and selling them. Online game is just a small part of it.
..exactly why it is easy decision to temp ban the lot(one of the other ddo forums said what they did..was mostly a PVP thing that rewards items-and why some would be ticked off ,gettin schooled in PVP ,by bots!)

[Coyopa]

You are missing some important things here:

Those "players" do not stop when they have their gear. The next step is to flood the game economy with this cheat gear. Which destroys the economy. Which in turn annoys players. Which in turn can lead to player loss etc..

Alternatively or in parallel they start to sell this cheat gear for real money. Which violates copyrights etc.. And it leads to less income for the ingame stores. Which then can have all types of negative impact in the game.

And it leads to a drop in player quality as well. Which also influences the game community and the game reputation etc.. I have seen that in D2 when absolute newcomers suddenly fielded equipment that the average gamer with several years of playtime hardly could have acquired legally. Which lead to a stupid increase in what you were expected to wear in order to be accepted in groups etc..

In short: live and let live is usually only a guaranteed path to shorten a games lifetime.

I loved hacking my D2 characters. I just never took them onto Battle.Net. It was always just my wife and I playing on our home LAN with crazy-powerful gear. Fun times.