Devs: Massive lag while using Epic Glimpse of the Soul

[cave_diver]

I have bug reported it and have had guildies/friends experience this as well but would like to throw this out on the forums in-case devs see this.

On my main (pure 20 human barb), I am currently causing massive amounts of lag (30 - 60 seconds worth) for my party when I swap my Epic Glimpse of the soul to another set of googles. I am usually doing this so I can use my death-ward clickies.

I am also experiencing perma lag for the party when caught in a disjunction ball in epic ADG in which I have to kill the client and relog to stop this lag.


Wondering if devs are aware of this and if there are any plans to fix this. Would be able to do a fraps of this if required when my toon hits 27 again.

[Eth]

Every barb I know (including mine) can reproduce this issue.
This doesn't seem to be limited to glimpse though, it's just the most noticeble with lag between 30-60 seconds. Generally items that boost individual saves (as glimpse does, but you can also craft that on cannith crafted items) seem to have this issue.

Item swapping in general seems just horribly laggy on my barbarian, to the point where it's absolutely unfun.
The game always had it's problem with item swaps that required a lot of recalculating, especially if it involved a change in your UMD.
But nowadays it's just ridiculous.

I've also experienced the same issue in ADQ1 when getting disjuncted. It took the game a solid minute of lag before I could continue playing.

There is something massively screwed up when it comes to barbarians and item bonus calculation and lag.

No wonder we have all these complains about lag. A barbarian getting disjuncted by the abbot can probably screw up a whole raid group in MoD.

Storms Eye now also inflicts lag it didn't used to before. Everytime I hit it I get a good 3 seconds of lag. This is 100% reproducable.

[JOTMON]

Easily to reproduce on my cleric that has a bit of umd..
Greensteel displacement goggles T3 (+cha affects my umd) swap 4 times with Epic Glimpse of the Soul = 5 minute lockup lag in any instance.

When I get disjuncted by the Abbot in MOD it causes crippling lag

Jack Jibbers Blade also causes instance wide lag.

[Eth]

Easily to reproduce on my cleric that has a bit of umd..
Greensteel displacement goggles T3 (+cha affects my umd) swap 4 times with Epic Glimpse of the Soul = 5 minute lockup lag in any instance.

Interesting that this is an issue on a cleric too, I thought it's just barbs. Glimpse never caused that issue for me when I was playing the very same toon as a monkcher. Just have it since the toon is a barb.

[Blackheartox]

Every barb I know (including mine) can reproduce this issue.
This doesn't seem to be limited to glimpse though, it's just the most noticeble with lag between 30-60 seconds. Generally items that boost individual saves (as glimpse does, but you can also craft that on cannith crafted items) seem to have this issue.

Item swapping in general seems just horribly laggy on my barbarian, to the point where it's absolutely unfun.
The game always had it's problem with item swaps that required a lot of recalculating, especially if it involved a change in your UMD.
But nowadays it's just ridiculous.

I've also experienced the same issue in ADQ1 when getting disjuncted. It took the game a solid minute of lag before I could continue playing.

There is something massively screwed up when it comes to barbarians and item bonus calculation and lag.

No wonder we have all these complains about lag. A barbarian getting disjuncted by the abbot can probably screw up a whole raid group in MoD.

Storms Eye now also inflicts lag it didn't used to before. Everytime I hit it I get a good 3 seconds of lag. This is 100% reproducable.

I had that wonderful idea to use globe of invulnerability scrolls on zuggy, simpy said, until the spell effect expired as i was in it, the lag didnt clear.
Can try it yourself as i assume its barb bound since i get the saves stack etc spam in combat log for effects part.
No idea if turning off effects can lessen the instance freeze tho, will check later.
I tried scroll use without any gear, it also caused freeze so my assumption is it has to do with either bard plifes or barb vs will etc saves while raged /even tho i wasnt raged when i used scroll
It helps with avatar lag

[Wh070aa]

Not sure if related, but Primal Scream adds extra spell points on barb2/arti4/ranger14. Pretty sure that the bonuses interact poorly with other stuff, especially wisdom. There are a ton of other calculations that act weird too.

[Powskier]

do you all carry many UMD check items ??? like scrolls there is a kinda bug that requires all umd to be recalculated every time UMD changes -like clickin on hotbar items that have a umd bonus

[Alfhild]

Not sure if related, but Primal Scream adds extra spell points on barb2/arti4/ranger14. Pretty sure that the bonuses interact poorly with other stuff, especially wisdom. There are a ton of other calculations that act weird too.
If you have Acute Instincts, Primal Scream should add spell points.

[Robai]

Not sure if it's related, but:

During global lag (playing on Orien server) I'm unable to switch back to TWF (2 x Celestias) after using a heal scroll.
Switching to ESoS wasn't a problem though, I could use a heal scroll and switch back to ESoS, but was unable to equip both Celestias (I mean via shortcut bar, haven't tested if I could equip them by dragging to hands manually though).

All of that happens only during lag (happened several times so far).
When there is no noticeable lag it's works fine (actually equipping two weapons was always slower in this game, but the delay wasn't so big that I would dare to complain).

[Eth]

Not sure if it's related, but:

During global lag (playing on Orien server) I'm unable to switch back to TWF (2 x Celestias) after using a heal scroll.
Switching to ESoS wasn't a problem though, I could use a heal scroll and switch back to ESoS, but was unable to equip both Celestias (I mean via shortcut bar, haven't tested if I could equip them by dragging to hands manually though).

All of that happens only during lag (happened several times so far).
When there is no noticeable lag it's works fine (actually equipping two weapons was always slower in this game, but the delay wasn't so big that I would dare to complain).

Likely because you have to make a UMD check when equipping Celestias, which couldn't be handled through the lag.

[JOTMON]

Interesting that this is an issue on a cleric too, I thought it's just barbs. Glimpse never caused that issue for me when I was playing the very same toon as a monkcher. Just have it since the toon is a barb.

Well cleric is a loose term.. Cleric17/rogue2/Monk1.. Epic Trapper.. Jack of Trades ...
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/457308-Jotmon-(Jack-of-Trades-Master-of-None)-Cleric-17-Rogue2-Monk1-Trapper-Cleric

I do utilize UMD and do notice a minor lag bump when swapping UMD gear.
Goggles is a regular swap spot for me for trapping gear/Greensteel clickies... so I am usually hesitant to swap the goggles now.

Not sure why the Jack Jibbers blade causes the brutal lag spikes when it is activated and again one minute later when the timer ends.

[Grace_ana]

UMD lag has always been there and at times can be crippling. On my rogue, it's all kinds of fun when I swap to a scroll to heal, lag, and wake up dead. There are also times when I swap to a scroll, swap back to a TWF weapon set, but the game refuses to recognize that I swapped out of the scroll and I end up trying to fight or assassinate with a scroll. (By the by, I think it would be awesome if I could assassinate with a scroll.) The devs have indeed said before that it's because UMD keeps recalculating. When I ran through Fatesinger on my rogue, it was a trainwreck because of all the UMD recalculations. They were going to try to look into it and see if they could make some changes, but I don't know what happened with that. This was a couple years ago when I remember that conversation.

[JOTMON]

UMD lag has always been there and at times can be crippling. On my rogue, it's all kinds of fun when I swap to a scroll to heal, lag, and wake up dead. There are also times when I swap to a scroll, swap back to a TWF weapon set, but the game refuses to recognize that I swapped out of the scroll and I end up trying to fight or assassinate with a scroll. (By the by, I think it would be awesome if I could assassinate with a scroll.) The devs have indeed said before that it's because UMD keeps recalculating. When I ran through Fatesinger on my rogue, it was a trainwreck because of all the UMD recalculations. They were going to try to look into it and see if they could make some changes, but I don't know what happened with that. This was a couple years ago when I remember that conversation.

Now Rogue Assassin attack... Death by paper cut...

[Eth]

I do utilize UMD and do notice a minor lag bump when swapping UMD gear.
Goggles is a regular swap spot for me for trapping gear/Greensteel clickies... so I am usually hesitant to swap the goggles now.

Not sure why the Jack Jibbers blade causes the brutal lag spikes when it is activated and again one minute later when the timer ends.

Yes, minor lag when swapping items that alter the UMD skill is nothing new, but this is a different beast with really long lag spikes.
I have fully abondoned those goggles on my toons for that reason, I know that's not a solution for divines though...

I know other people have the same issue with the jibbers blade.

I also experience a couple seconds lag spikes everytime my barb dies. I can see my HP are in the negatives but it takes a couple seconds until the death screen/animation appears.

[blerkington]

Hi,

I only get a momentary hiccup when I equip the goggles, and I haven't seen anything with the Jibbers Blade at all. That's on my main, who is a ranger/rogue with UMD. I'm certainly not denying it happens to other people, just haven't noticed anything really bad myself.

We did get some outrageously bad lag in ADQ recently with the disjunction globes. I'm not sure whether someone in the party was wearing the goggles, but it locked us up for a long time, 1-2 minutes if I remember correctly. Just like the bad old days.

Thanks.

[Eth]

Hi,

I only get a momentary hiccup when I equip the goggles, and I haven't seen anything with the Jibbers Blade at all. That's on my main, who is a ranger/rogue with UMD. I'm certainly not denying it happens to other people, just haven't noticed anything really bad myself.

We did get some outrageously bad lag in ADQ recently with the disjunction globes. I'm not sure whether someone in the party was wearing the goggles, but it locked us up for a long time, 1-2 minutes if I remember correctly. Just like the bad old days.

Thanks.

It has very likely something to do with which class you play.
As I said the swapping bug with glimpse is 100% reproducable on a barbarian (at least from every barb I talked to so far).
On my monkcher (previous TR on the very same toon) I didn't have any issues with swapping glimpse, now that it's a barbarian, I do.
On my other toons I don't have these issues either.

[blerkington]

It has very likely something to do with which class you play.
As I said the swapping bug with glimpse is 100% reproducable on a barbarian (at least from every barb I talked to so far).
On my monkcher (previous TR on the very same toon) I didn't have any issues with swapping glimpse, now that it's a barbarian, I do.
On my other toons I don't have these issues either.

Hi,

Yes, that seems very likely.

It might be interesting to reset and then slowly redo your enhancements one at a time to see if you can isolate it.

Thanks.