Blade Forged Assassin???

[redoubt]

Anyone every do a BF assassin? its something I'm toying with and wonder if anyone has experience with doing this.

One specific question I have so far is about the body feat. Do you take mithral? It says it has a MDB of 5. That seems super low. Shadowscale light armor is a MDB of 19. Is this just old text or will it actually push you down to that will all docents?

[Ayseifn]

It really is 5 no matter what docent you wear.

[redoubt]

It really is 5 no matter what docent you wear.

That's what I figured. Thanks for the confirmation.

That really makes it a choice of composite or adamantine. Mithral is useless on a high dodge class with that kind of MDB.

Playing with it on lama, the recon enhancement feels pretty slow. Is it interruptible? Do people take quicken? Can you take quicken as a pure rogue, my initial thought is no... hmm....

[Zachski]

Every time I see a Bladeforged build, I cry.

[/not actually contributing to the thread]

Actually I'm surprised more people aren't abusing Bladeforged for every class that isn't a divine caster.

Sucks about the Mithral Body feat. You'd think WF and BF would at least have enhancements that let them increase their natural dodge cap (or in the case of Composite, something that improves it.)

[Hobgoblin]

Playing with it on lama, the recon enhancement feels pretty slow. Is it interruptible? Do people take quicken? Can you take quicken as a pure rogue, my initial thought is no... hmm....

its not interuptable, technically, but it is slow. if you get knocked down or other wise cc'd it stops it.

i take quicken for it.

pure rogues cant take quicken

[AylinIsAwesome]

Sucks about the Mithral Body feat. You'd think WF and BF would at least have enhancements that let them increase their natural dodge cap (or in the case of Composite, something that improves it.)

Warforged DO have enhancements that increases the MDB of mithral body; Mithral Fluidity. Increases MDB and decreases armor check penalty by 1/2/3.

[ddorimble]

It really is 5 no matter what docent you wear.

That's so sad. Just looked on the wiki and it's treated as Light Armor for PRR purposes too. That's a super dead/useless Feat for sure.

[Ayseifn]

That's so sad. Just looked on the wiki and it's treated as Light Armor for PRR purposes too. That's a super dead/useless Feat for sure.

You can slot them with +2 MDB augs, ship buffs work, so do light armour MDB enhancements and all that jazz but yeah. Pretty weak sauce.

Just had a quick look over the wiki and there are no docents made from Mithral I could find and none of them had Nimbleness, just overkill stuff instead like more fortification or silly things like +2 AC.

[Failedlegend]

Every time I see a Bladeforged build, I cry.

Actually I'm surprised more people aren't abusing Bladeforged for every class that isn't a divine caster.


Why? & Why?

[jakedamus]

I like Toasters.
I have capped almost every class as a WF or BF.

Self-Healing will make you more survivable - that is a no brainer. Is it worth giving up at least 4 INT points you would get from Drow?
Answer: If you want to solo or even have a decent chance of assassinating anything in EE than no, don't go BF, go drow.
If you want to have fun and be the king of EN + EH. Then sure go BF Assassin and have a blast.

Do you need Mithral Body? (taking into account the armor bonus is going to 10 with U25)
Short Answer: Your main defence is not getting agro, so in theory no... but
Long Answer: YES you should take Mith BUT only if you are not taking a Paladin stance.
PRR is more important than AC. You take Mith for PRR not for AC.

Reasons: From Mith Bod You get about 25 more PRR? Some MRR. With Paladin stance, Guardians Ring, Epic / Racial PL feats you should have PRR in the 60s without Mith. At that stage another 25 PRR from Mith only adds about 5-7%? It's nice but by no means necessary.

Black Dragon armor seems to be the way to go for a Assassin for the Armor Penetration.


I started 1 Paladin / Rogue. Int based Harper. Int sitting on 50 without much effort. (too low)

So I'm a BF Assassin - I could self-heal! yay! saved my ass a lot but...
Like most Assassin builds I was king of EN + EH but sucked at EE.
This build didn't have the defence. It just died in EE. Self-Healing just means my deaths were drawn out.

I remade it into a 3 Paladin Rogue. Took the 25 PRR from stances. Cha to saves.
This made the build more tanky and solid.

The problem with assassin, no matter if you are BF or not, is that you have to aquire and dedicate a lot of gear and Enhanc / ED points to get a decent enough Assassin for EE. I took shadow dancer, I have an Epic Midnight Greetings, +2 Insightful Int on my RadII etc etc. But with a Int just over 50 it wasn't enough. And even if it did work 100% of the time it's still going to take an Assassin a lot longer than every other class to finish an EE quest. Cause you gotta creep out of the shadows, assassinate (maybe fail) wait, try again... too slow. It's a novelty at first but can be frustrating when you die after an hour of creeping around.

Better to use the Assassin as a back stabber dps and only use assassin for fun on EH EN.
Rad II dagger / karma + EMidnight. Blind paralyze sneak attack the **** out of trash.
Assassin trick the boss, neg level it to death with dual Sacrifical Daggers.

*To those who say BF is an easy button, OP or cheating - it's not that simple.
It costs many valuable enhancement points to buy self-healing ability, you need a blue bar and BF get a minus to dex which is a pain in the ass for a lot of builds.

[slarden]

I did consider bladeforged as an assassin, but unfortunately I had to rule it out due to the 11 AP required to take tier 3 communion of scribing. It would be 12 points to get both points of con.

Right now as a fleshy I have 6 points in my racial tree for 2 int, 41 AP in assassin, 8 AP in thief/acrobat and 25 AP in harper. I would either need to give up 2 int and 1 melee power or give up my -40% threat reduction from thief-acrobat to make room for it. In both cases this trade-off seems less of a problem than it did prior to U25 so you may be on to something.

I would still be hesitant to invest so much in a racial tree on an assassin, but the extra Hp and ideal self-healing is a nice benefit on what is arguably the most squishy build in the game.

[Zachski]

Why? & Why?

I hate Bladeforged.

I hate that they get Reconstruct as a racial enhancement.

I hate that they're the new Warforged (I remember when Warforged was the flavor of the month race that you absolutely had to roll for everything that wasn't a divine caster) and basically render an entire pay-to-play race obsolete long after most people who would play it already bought it

I hate how the entire forum is obsessed with making Bladeforged builds out of everything (the only iconic I hate as much in this sense is PDK, but only for Bards)

Basically, worst thing to happen to DDO ever. Even if I had the option to play one, I refuse to on principle.

That being said, don't take my original post too seriously. I like to take my opinions and make fun of them.