A List of Melee Special Attacks & Whether They Doublestrike/Off-hand Proc

[changelingamuck]

Does anyone know if there is a ddowiki page, forum thread, or any thing that lists melee special attacks (like slicing blow, assassinate, cleave, trip, etc.) and whether or not they proc doublestrikes and off-hand attacks? I was trying to figure this out for the slicing blow feat and realized how many times I've had to google and forum search different melee special attacks and their relationships to doublestriking/TWF... and I feel like there must be some source that I've missed in the past that just lists all of the melee special attacks with that info...

Anybody?

[vryxnr]

I don't know if there is a wiki page or not, but the general rule for it is this:

If it changes the attack animation, it will not proc a doublestrike.
If it does not have a unique animation, but instead looks like any other swing you make from regular attacking, then it can proc a double strike.

Thus: Cleave, G.Cleave, etc, do not proc doublestrikes (but if you are a 2hander, you can still get glancing blows with them, even on a single enemy, which can sometimes proc weapon special effects, making it look like a doublestrike, when it is in fact not, but a glancing blow instead)

Whereas attacks like Volcanoes Edge from the LD ED can doublestrike.

As for off hand procs? I sadly do not have any clue about those. *hopes someone else weighs in on those*

[scottmike0]

I don't know if there is a wiki page or not, but the general rule for it is this:

If it changes the attack animation, it will not proc a doublestrike.
If it does not have a unique animation, but instead looks like any other swing you make from regular attacking, then it can proc a double strike.

Thus: Cleave, G.Cleave, etc, do not proc doublestrikes (but if you are a 2hander, you can still get glancing blows with them, even on a single enemy, which can sometimes proc weapon special effects, making it look like a doublestrike, when it is in fact not, but a glancing blow instead)

Whereas attacks like Volcanoes Edge from the LD ED can doublestrike.

As for off hand procs? I sadly do not have any clue about those. *hopes someone else weighs in on those*

Actually, a cleave ability that does work, whirlwind does proc double strike.

[vryxnr]

Actually, a cleave ability that does work, whirlwind does proc double strike.

I just did a test on a training dummy, attacked it with whirlwind attack 100 times with a 25% doublestrike chance (yes, I counted, and yes, it was boring as hell). Every single time it was just one single hit per whirlwind attack. Either I'm the unluckiest person in the world, or the statement "whirlwind does proc double strike" is in fact incorrect, or perhaps it is missing a qualifier, such as "under X conditions".

I did this test with a 2hander, then again with a one hander, then again with two weapons equipped. Same result every time. Whirlwind does not proc doublestrike. The two-weapon fighting didn't even proc offhand attacks either (I had my offhand with an elemental augment so I'd see easily when/if it procced).

However, I then did a few whirlwind swings while unarmed. ONLY when unarmed did I start seeing doublestrikes with whirlwind attack. This appeared to be bugged, as whirlwind attack makes no indication in it's description of granting extra while unarmed. At the least, this is not the norm.

Thus, I maintain my previous statement, but I'll add a small amendment:

In general the rule is that: If it changes the attack animation, it will not proc a doublestrike.
If it does not have a unique animation, but instead looks like any other swing you make from regular attacking, then it can proc a double strike.
There may be some rare exceptions, such as unarmed whirlwind attack, but that is the only one I know of.

Thus, a preliminary list of attacks that do not doublestrike are:

Cleave (possibly with weapons only)
Great Cleave (possibly with weapon only)
Whirlwind attacks with weapons equipped
Trip
Sunder (though Sunder does seem to always hit twice with 2 weapons equipped)
...
...
...
etc


A preliminary list of attacks that can doublestrike:

Regular attacks
Volcanoes Edge
Shattering Strike
A Good Death
Whirlwind Attack ONLY while unarmed
Maybe Cleave and Great Cleave while unarmed only? Needs confirmation.
...
...
...
etc

[xTethx]

I just did a test on a training dummy, attacked it with whirlwind attack 100 times with a 25% doublestrike chance (yes, I counted, and yes, it was boring as hell). Every single time it was just one single hit per whirlwind attack. Either I'm the unluckiest person in the world, or the statement "whirlwind does proc double strike" is in fact incorrect, or perhaps it is missing a qualifier, such as "under X conditions".

I did this test with a 2hander, then again with a one hander, then again with two weapons equipped. Same result every time. Whirlwind does not proc doublestrike. The two-weapon fighting didn't even proc offhand attacks either (I had my offhand with an elemental augment so I'd see easily when/if it procced).

However, I then did a few whirlwind swings while unarmed. ONLY when unarmed did I start seeing doublestrikes with whirlwind attack. This appeared to be bugged, as whirlwind attack makes no indication in it's description of granting extra while unarmed. At the least, this is not the norm.

Thus, I maintain my previous statement, but I'll add a small amendment:

In general the rule is that: If it changes the attack animation, it will not proc a doublestrike.
If it does not have a unique animation, but instead looks like any other swing you make from regular attacking, then it can proc a double strike.
There may be some rare exceptions, such as unarmed whirlwind attack, but that is the only one I know of.

Thus, a preliminary list of attacks that do not doublestrike are:

Cleave
Great Cleave
Whirlwind attacks with weapons equipped
Trip
Sunder (though Sunder does seem to always hit twice with 2 weapons equipped)
...
...
...
etc


A preliminary list of attacks that can doublestrike:

Regular attacks
Volcanoes Edge
Shattering Strike
A Good Death
Whirlwind Attack ONLY while unarmed
...
...
...
etc

Great cleave actually does doublestrike when you are unarmed.

[vryxnr]

Great cleave actually does doublestrike when you are unarmed.

Thank you for the correction.

Guess the general rule I mentioned is for weapons only, and it gets thrown out the window when unarmed. Another good to know little tidbit.

Btw, I have no intention of compiling a complete list myself. The above is just a starting point, and the process to confirm or refute each ability - while I did do for whirlwind attack - is not something I wish to spend more of my free time doing. Perhaps there are others out there who enjoy doing this kind of thing, but it is not for me (not on a regular basis at least). Also because I don't have a collection of alts that have access to every special attack in the game, so I couldn't confirm nor deny every possibility either. I can't even do the simple test to see if it has a unique animation or not for every special attack.

So best of luck in getting a complete list (with Unarmed exceptions to the general rule) (this is not sarcastic, I seriously am wishing you luck in getting it done). Hopefully others will be able to add in the rest.

[Ambitious]

I don't know if there is a wiki page or not, but the general rule for it is this:

If it changes the attack animation, it will not proc a doublestrike.
If it does not have a unique animation, but instead looks like any other swing you make from regular attacking, then it can proc a double strike.

Thus: Cleave, G.Cleave, etc, do not proc doublestrikes (but if you are a 2hander, you can still get glancing blows with them, even on a single enemy, which can sometimes proc weapon special effects, making it look like a doublestrike, when it is in fact not, but a glancing blow instead)

Whereas attacks like Volcanoes Edge from the LD ED can doublestrike.

As for off hand procs? I sadly do not have any clue about those. *hopes someone else weighs in on those*


I can't say I have tested every single special attack in the game, but every attack that could proc offhand attacks could also always proc doublestrike and vice versa.

Meaning a single strike can theoretically result in 4 hits (main attack, offhand attack, doublestrike of mainhand and doublestrike of offhand).

Cleave attacks (including whirlwind and any attack that is using a cleave/greatcleave timer) don't proc doublestrike unless you are unarmed and the right race. Yes, this is dependant on your race.


As for Legendary Dreadnaught attacks.

does proc:
Momentum Swing
Volcano's Edge
Lightning Mace
Volcano's Edge

Does not proc:
Lay Waste

[Eth]

Cleave attacks (including whirlwind and any attack that is using a cleave/greatcleave timer) don't proc doublestrike unless you are unarmed and the right race. Yes, this is dependant on your race.


Haven't tested it, but this should not be true anymore since U21:
Great Cleave's animation for many races is now the same as Cleave, which was already true for other races.
https://www.ddo.com/en/update-21-release-notes

[Saekee]

Monk attacks could use a review, also whether or not they are used unarmed or weaponized.

Several months ago I found that void strike only procced on the main hand. No idea for DS.
Someone clarified for me tht ToD only affects mainhand, not sure DS
I believe the elemental attacks work on both if timed right.
Fist of X--no idea

Would be good to test this stuff--nice idea for a thread since it might affect playstyles and builds