New difficulty idea

[Deslen]

*suits up in full riot gear*

Hey, let's add a new difficulty where all mobs are champions!

I'm serious! I think it would be fun...

[Lemdog]

Seriously, this is a great idea. +1 man

[Warrax23]

*suits up in full riot gear*

Hey, let's add a new difficulty where all mobs are champions!

I'm serious! I think it would be fun...

That could be a wonderful idea.

[cru121]

lot of remnants ...

[Livmo]

*suits up in full riot gear*

Hey, let's add a new difficulty where all mobs are champions!

I'm serious! I think it would be fun...

When champs first went live almost all EE mobs were champs. I was in more than few quests after they launched where all of the monsters were champs as well. Perhaps leave EH and below the same as they are for now and dial champs back up on EE.

There is no need for another difficulty setting. EE should be as tough as it gets.

Or for yet another thread on this topic, since this idea has already been aired in some of the other threads.

[Deslen]

Honestly, I like the randomness and the quick change in tactics they necessitate.

[wildbynature]

*suits up in full riot gear*

Hey, let's add a new difficulty where all mobs are champions!

I'm serious! I think it would be fun...

riot gear? You need riot gear to post your idea on the forums?

wimp.

[Oxarhamar]

When champs first went live almost all EE mobs were champs. I was in more than few quests after they launched where all of the monsters were champs as well. Perhaps leave EH and below the same as they are for now and dial champs back up on EE.

There is no need for another difficulty setting. EE should be as tough as it gets.

Or for yet another thread on this topic, since this idea has already been aired in some of the other threads.

I didn't experience this at all when Champs first hit live but, it's more quest dependant. More orange trash had higher Champ chance.

[Warrax23]

When champs first went live almost all EE mobs were champs. I was in more than few quests after they launched where all of the monsters were champs as well. Perhaps leave EH and below the same as they are for now and dial champs back up on EE.

There is no need for another difficulty setting. EE should be as tough as it gets.

Or for yet another thread on this topic, since this idea has already been aired in some of the other threads.

I'm asking this because I would seriously like to know the answer and different point of view.
A) who said Elite has to be the top? EE should probably be able to be ran by the top 15%, and a new one by 1%. It would give people the challenge they want without sacrificing other peoples fun/challenge rating.
B) People are already having problems with the current and champions, why would that be a "good" idea, it would cause even more threads like these?

When I make toons, I make them to be able to play EE. (Not solo) but to be survivable. I've had to change multiple toons over to Heavy armor to be able to keep the same suitability I had pre champions. That seems like a silly thing to do, to survive and beat EE's, it's like Railroading and I don't enjoy that. I want flexibility, all (well built toons) should be able to compete and play in EE's since we are supposed to be Heroes/champions/legends. Granted all peoples skill levels aren't up there, but slapping on full plate on a first life toon shouldn't be better then a monk fighter with a ton of past lives and a lot of work put into it who all of the sudden is getting blasted out of his pj's... literally. This is just my thoughts, and I welcome constructive thoughts on the matter.

[Deslen]

I'm asking this because I would seriously like to know the answer and different point of view.
A) who said Elite has to be the top? EE should probably be able to be ran by the top 15%, and a new one by 1%. It would give people the challenge they want without sacrificing other peoples fun/challenge rating.
B) People are already having problems with the current and champions, why would that be a "good" idea, it would cause even more threads like these?

I don't think you should have to do the proposed difficulty for the best gear, but better xp and chance of good gear.

I have a slightly different view of things. Perhaps it spawns from the original epics. That railroaded you into playing a certain way.

[psykopeta]

*suits up in full riot gear*

Hey, let's add a new difficulty where all mobs are champions!

I'm serious! I think it would be fun...

i would rather doing EE only champs stuff, i mean, even bosses!

there was a time where EE was hard, that meant not everybody could run it, thing like "know quest, bring best ED" and such were needed

if i can't run EE again, i won't cry, i will be happy because there would be something i could aim to

nowadays, things like "normal is better xp/min than elite" isn't exactly true, due to how nerfed is elite, which when 99% of the players can run, isn't elite

if 99% the oppulation is elite capable, it's called common, not elite, unless you want to fill their egos "hey we're all elite"

[Livmo]

I'm asking this because I would seriously like to know the answer and different point of view.
A) who said Elite has to be the top? EE should probably be able to be ran by the top 15%, and a new one by 1%. It would give people the challenge they want without sacrificing other peoples fun/challenge rating.
B) People are already having problems with the current and champions, why would that be a "good" idea, it would cause even more threads like these?

When I make toons, I make them to be able to play EE. (Not solo) but to be survivable. I've had to change multiple toons over to Heavy armor to be able to keep the same suitability I had pre champions. That seems like a silly thing to do, to survive and beat EE's, it's like Railroading and I don't enjoy that. I want flexibility, all (well built toons) should be able to compete and play in EE's since we are supposed to be Heroes/champions/legends. Granted all peoples skill levels aren't up there, but slapping on full plate on a first life toon shouldn't be better then a monk fighter with a ton of past lives and a lot of work put into it who all of the sudden is getting blasted out of his pj's... literally. This is just my thoughts, and I welcome constructive thoughts on the matter.

But all this has been out there on the forums ad nauseam. Esp. A and B. You are not placing a flag at the top of the mountain 1st with these posts. There is nothing new here.

[Warrax23]

But all this has been out there on the forums ad nauseam. Esp. A and B. You are not placing a flag at the top of the mountain 1st with these posts. There is nothing new here.

Then might I suggest stop reading them, and posting in them? It would solve your problem. You're voice is heard, but if you're irritated by them stop entering them. I think relevant information sometimes needs to be pulled out of threads that degrade into childish bashing on one another and the post itself goes off the rails. I honestly do not know what you expect from people when they are unhappy with the game state. You don't see these posts when people are happy. So if we who have just as much of a right as you do want to post, guess what, we're going too.

[Livmo]

Then might I suggest stop reading them, and posting in them? It would solve your problem. You're voice is heard, but if you're irritated by them stop entering them. I think relevant information sometimes needs to be pulled out of threads that degrade into childish bashing on one another and the post itself goes off the rails. I honestly do not know what you expect from people when they are unhappy with the game state. You don't see these posts when people are happy. So if we who have just as much of a right as you do want to post, guess what, we're going too.

The title of the thread was, "New difficulty idea". However it's not a new idea and its just another champ thread. I got suckered in by the thread title. This should really be in a new forum section for champs and not general discussion.

You have a valid point about pulling info. out of some of the more juvinile threads. And that has been done already.

There is nothing wrong with constructive feedback and criticism. However, the forum community as a whole has gone overbored with champs. Another thread adds to the chaos and not to clarity. This is another champ thread that is not stated so in the original title.

If the game is no longer fun you, then move on or take a break. The game is still fun for me and most the champ vitriol is just that, more DDO hatin' and vitriol. Not constructive feedback or criticism.

[Warrax23]

The title of the thread was, "New difficulty idea". However it's not a new idea and its just another champ thread. I got suckered in by the thread title. This should really be in a new forum section for champs and not general discussion.

You have a valid point about pulling info. out of some of the more juvinile threads. And that has been done already.

There is nothing wrong with constructive feedback and criticism. However, the forum community as a whole has gone overbored with champs. Another thread adds to the chaos and not to clarity. This is another champ thread that is not stated so in the original title.

If the game is no longer fun you, then move on or take a break. The game is still fun for me and most the champ vitriol is just that, more DDO hatin' and vitriol. Not constructive feedback or criticism.

I don't think he meant it as "this is a new idea" but more so as (New Difficulty) idea, least that's how I took it. I didn't start this one though so can't say for sure.

And another thing is for people who visit the forums often you probably do see these threads a ton, but I don't usually go to the forums consistently unless I'm having a problem or people in my ddo social circle are having issues. So when I come here I try to pull out the relevant data and make a new thread when conversations go south. I sadly not trying to cause Drama, I want to gather information and try to see where people are at on things and see if we can't as a community come together and get some good ideas that the devs can run with. Polls and surveys are good ideas for a lot of things, maybe not an mmo but I had/have hope. So I do apologize that you have to suffer through this over and over, it's not my intent, but hopefully something useful comes from the rift that's been slowly forming in DDO for years.

-Mark

[Monkey-Boy]

I despise champions, but I'd be curious to try this.

The issue is it's horribly biased in favor of certain classes. A Dance-ball and it's LOLz time all over again like the old days of EDA.

[Livmo]

I don't think he meant it as "this is a new idea" but more so as (New Difficulty) idea, least that's how I took it. I didn't start this one though so can't say for sure.

And another thing is for people who visit the forums often you probably do see these threads a ton, but I don't usually go to the forums consistently unless I'm having a problem or people in my ddo social circle are having issues. So when I come here I try to pull out the relevant data and make a new thread when conversations go south. I sadly not trying to cause Drama, I want to gather information and try to see where people are at on things and see if we can't as a community come together and get some good ideas that the devs can run with. Polls and surveys are good ideas for a lot of things, maybe not an mmo but I had/have hope. So I do apologize that you have to suffer through this over and over, it's not my intent, but hopefully something useful comes from the rift that's been slowly forming in DDO for years.

-Mark

Moar good points, that is why I feel the champs should have their own section on the forum. There is allot of neato stuff being overshadowed by champ hate/love camps in General Discussion.

No worries, don't go back and look at all those other threads on champs since they were introduced. You can see most the same stuff in the ones from the last week.

If DDO forumites are good at one thing (myself included), it's beating a dead horse. In fact long, long time after the horse is dead, we are still seeing the purple ticks of damage, although body has already faded away!

[levy1964]

that it was something incredible , but the idea is not new, it already was , when? and then as he was only one level of difficulty .... EPIC

think so that it would come back some old guard , well, because that has to do someone who already has everything ?, past life and the best equipment and everything solo . create a new character ? , probably not, though? ..... enter the difficulty level where the solo quests that were "almost" impossible ( as starchy good for the times ) . Personally, I played just for fun / challenge

ehh , dreamily , now that that was so .

/ signed

[Chauncey1]

*suits up in full riot gear*

Hey, let's add a new difficulty where all mobs are champions!

I'm serious! I think it would be fun...

But only if they were back to pre-nerf level.

[levy1964]

But only if they were back to pre-nerf level.

yes, sick / ridiculous / hell difficulty. where it enters a party composed of a veteran, and it's a chance of still wipe .... pls, pls, pls add this Dev's, we do want this even if there is nothing profit like new loot or better XP/favor....just 4fun xD

[Brac]

I like it. But I liked Epic at level 20 and a lot of other people didn't.

[Angelic-council]

*suits up in full riot gear*

Hey, let's add a new difficulty where all mobs are champions!

I'm serious! I think it would be fun...

I actually like that idea... lol

Instead of adding a new difficulty, how about adding "Champion mode". Like, you can choose EE normally like we used to do, but there is an option to turn that EE into EEC (epic elite champion). -- Increasing elite drop rate by further +1?

What was that quest called... in under dark where you have to fight in arena. That would be fun :)

[Chauncey1]

yes, sick / ridiculous / hell difficulty. where it enters a party composed of a veteran, and it's a chance of still wipe .... pls, pls, pls add this Dev's, we do want this even if there is nothing profit like new loot or better XP/favor....just 4fun xD

It would be moar funner'n hell, wouldn't it?

[Brac]

I would think this would be easier to program then actually coming up with mythic difficulty or whatever a higher level would be called. But I know nothing about programming, so I could be wrong...

[Deslen]

I would think this would be easier to program then actually coming up with mythic difficulty or whatever a higher level would be called. But I know nothing about programming, so I could be wrong...

It would be far easier to program with what is available, but you run the risk of nearly impossible fights.

Then again, some would view the original epics as nearly impossible.

Still, I would much rather have this than "monsters get mor hp saves and damage hurrrrr durrrrr....."