So, about the lootgen

[pelaaja]

When are we getting the lootgen properly fixed? It's been like a year since the "revamp" and such, so I'd like to see some of the prefixes/suffixes make a return.

[jaggyjag]

When are we getting the lootgen properly fixed? It's been like a year since the "revamp" and such, so I'd like to see some of the prefixes/suffixes make a return.

Please watch the most recent DDOcast #368 where the Dev's are interviewed. They cover the very disappointing news regarding finishing any of the loot systems of the past and discuss how the shuffle of Dev's to new projects can adversely effect loot system revamps.

They talk about upcoming Epic greensteel, but point out that we will be waiting a long to for regular loot revamps to be finished. They also share some insight about how they feel random loot should fit within the scale of the game.

Here is the link, the devs speak for the first 43:00 minutes, I urge you to watch it as the news is not good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiBjXI-O5Kw

[pelaaja]

Please watch the most recent DDOcast #368 where the Dev's are interviewed. They cover the very disappointing news regarding finishing any of the loot systems of the past and discuss how the shuffle of Dev's to new projects can adversely effect loot system revamps.

They talk about upcoming Epic greensteel, but point out that we will be waiting a long to for regular loot revamps to be finished. They also share some insight about how they feel random loot should fit within the scale of the game.

Here is the link, the devs speak for the first 43:00 minutes, I urge you to watch it as the news is not good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiBjXI-O5Kw

Thank you for the link.

I just hope then they bring some of the older, cooler things back, like Divine Light, Lacerating and Disruption, or even if they were a bit niche prefixes/suffixes like Frozen, Dynamo and Steam.

[Robai]

When are we getting the lootgen properly fixed? It's been like a year since the "revamp" and such, so I'd like to see some of the prefixes/suffixes make a return.

I hope that they won't repeat a mistake when random loot got better than named loot.

[Brac]

I hope that they won't repeat a mistake when random loot got better than named loot.

There should be a chance random loot is better then named. Otherwise why give it all? It might as well be more plat and save you a trip to the vendor.

[IronClan]

disagree about lootgen strictly never being allowed to be as good as named... it should be possible for a freak (called "max roll" in games with better designed itemization) lootgen item to be better in niches than named items. Otherwise there's strictly no reason to bother ever mousing over lootgen. Remember random loot never has more than 2 affixes so even the freak max roll items would only be "best in slot" under narrow circumstances.

DDO does loot wrong. Too static, too predictable, piles and piles of **** that you don't even need to mouse over. I literally leave 100% of random loot in the chest... I don't even bother vendoring it, it's not even worthy of a moment to mouse over it and look because 100% of the possible permutations of random loot in DDO are objectively inferior to named items.

[Jiirix]

There was the case that the level 25 EE Dreamvisor got outdated by random loot (even of lower levels) over night. That was not funny for the people that farmed the Dreamvisor for months or bought them for insane prices. And I remember that I used certain random caster sticks for some time, because those were better than any named loot.

Edit: And my slottet random parrying of convalescents bracers (+4 insight save bonus and +30 healamp) are still best in slot for me.

[IronClan]

There was the case that the level 25 EE Dreamvisor got outdated by random loot (even of lower levels) over night. That was not funny for the people that farmed the Dreamvisor for months or bought them for insane prices. And I remember that I used certain random caster sticks for some time, because those were better than any named loot.

I stand corrected Caster sticks, the only non named thing I mouse over... because they can still be useful, can take a icy burst kit to lower their ML. An exception to the rule. Proof that random gen should have the possibility of being superior in either power or utility under at least some circumstances. Still strictly inferior to TF sticks, but at least useful in a niche and at lower ML's, just like other types of random gen loot should be, if the system wasn't so poorly designed.

Yes you can find an example like Dreamvisor where random loot as a whole was briefly better than named. In this case a ham fisted upper management move, that was reportedly not the wishes of the loot designer at the time.

This is not at all what any sane person wants... we (those of us who like unpredictable loot) want a low possibility for a max roll loot gen item to be better than static named items under some circumstances. Low enough to be a nice surprise when it happens. Not a poorly designed new loot system that spams us with 2X better affix values than named items (deadly 10 versus dream vision 5) that is not even really random (the affix combos are rigged to be a narrow set of possible affixes, a pattern that is also totally abhorrent to players who like random loot to be competitive and occasionally worth looting).

[Hephaistor]

What I would like to see is a small chance to get a random item with two suffixes or two prefixes. Like those we had for some time years back. As for level 30 loot and above: Wouldn't it be nice if the max item level was kept at level 28 and and lootlevel 29+ items just get a second slot/and or the chance to have a third modifier?

[Standal]

I watched the first 43 minutes of the podcast and it made me sad to see 4 guys who obviously want DDO to be better, but who I don't think have the proper perspective on what makes great random and named loot. Great random loot may be a perfect roll in a high level chest. Say something like a Deadly X of Seeker X ring. Or it could be a clean stat item. Do clean stat items even drop anymore? Single effect items were great because you could trade multiple lower value effects for a single effect that was extremely desirable for your character. Instead of a +2 STR of Springing ring, you could get a +6 STR ring. Then as you leveled past the level of a clean +6 STR, you would look for +6 STR of whatever. Then at a certain point, you'd move on to named loot.

If you look at some of the best loot from the pre-Motu game, it was slot consolidation and/or neat special effects that made it great. Every melee could use the Frenzied Beserker set. It was a great belt for the time at +6 Con of GFL that matched with a max strength item that could be slotted with heal amp. Then you got a nice but not OP damage bump and stat bump if you were a barb.

[janave]

As far as i understood them, they just want randgen to be what it is, fller **** until you get your named items. Which imo is just plain bad vision. Randgen in my view should offer the best of the best (even if just situationally)* when you got the stars aligned, with interesting effects, augments this could keep people interested in looting chests even if they already have perfected their gear layouts.

*This was certainly the case just before Cannith Crafting arrived. Those Boss Beaters were so awesome, and you could keep pulling better ones even if just slightly.

[Wizza]

As far as i understood them, they just want randgen to be what it is, fller **** until you get your named items. Which imo is just plain bad vision. Randgen in my view should offer the best of the best (even if just situationally)* when you got the stars aligned, with interesting effects, augments this could keep people interested in looting chests even if they already have perfected their gear layouts.

*This was certainly the case just before Cannith Crafting arrived. Those Boss Beaters were so awesome, and you could keep pulling better ones even if just slightly.

You'd rather have luck decide whether you pull or not to best of the best, instead of beating the hardest raid in the game to get it?

[janave]

You'd rather have luck decide whether you pull or not to best of the best, instead of beating the hardest raid in the game to get it?

Everyone farms EN x20 on raids, or vastly over level.
Idealistically, yes the toughest content should drop the best "generalist" 24/7 equips.
I think randgen could still be that filler for situational best, like specific boss beaters, or a niche defensive item.

Plus there is no such thing as *luck*, people would loot the good things at a low but consistent rate, and since they are only useful for specific situations, i guess many would be up for trades. Again, this have happened before in DDO's history.

[Wizza]

Everyone farms EN x20 on raids, or vastly over level.
Idealistically, yes the toughest content should drop the best "generalist" 24/7 equips.
I think randgen could still be that filler for situational best, like specific boss beaters, or a niche defensive item.

Plus there is no such thing as *luck*, people would loot the good things at a low but consistent rate, and since they are only useful for specific situations, i guess many would be up for trades. Again, this have happened before in DDO's history.

Never talked about farming EN Raid x20. I have a different solution for that, but for sure I don't want to pull the best of the best loot out of a Random chest, that I may or may never pull. No luck in DDO? How is it going your +3 Hearts of wood pulls? Or your +6 Tomes? I don't care how many Woods OTHERS Pull.

I agree that Random gen could and SHOULD be situational better than Raid loot but I cannot see how when DR is a non-factor these days for boss fights', PRR and MRR is already over 9000 on every melee and even Arcanes.

[legendkilleroll]

Dont know about best of the best but id certainly like to see some randoms weapons atleast be useable in Epics, CitW and TF is anything else even used?

Think it was when shadowfell came out and the random loot became a joke, alot of the best items were the masterful/wonderful crafmenship things that was dropping like candy, 10/10 things were just everywhere

I just want to be able to open a chest and not have all vendor trash in there

[janave]

Never talked about farming EN Raid x20. I have a different solution for that, but for sure I don't want to pull the best of the best loot out of a Random chest, that I may or may never pull. No luck in DDO? How is it going your +3 Hearts of wood pulls? Or your +6 Tomes? I don't care how many Woods OTHERS Pull.

I agree that Random gen could and SHOULD be situational better than Raid loot but I cannot see how when DR is a non-factor these days for boss fights', PRR and MRR is already over 9000 on every melee and even Arcanes.

It was just an example, but boss beaters dont have to be about DR Bypass. The PRR/MRR is anything but niche defensive, its purely 24/7 stat and yes its OP at the moment. I was thinking a trinket of 10/10 petrification absorption or an action boost to saves clickie...etc

[LightBear]

The out of normal paper doll slot placement and a reduced minimal level requirements is what makes unique named items.
Idealistically both.
Or at least that used to be the case.

Oh, and some of the missing affixes can still be acquired as end of chain rewards.
I don't think it's all of them and rare as hell, but some are still in there.

[Qhualor]

disagree that random loot should be better than named loot of any kind. I don't want to see the same problem we had before resulting in power creeping named loot. random loot should have that chance for really good substitute until you get a named item to replace it. think metalline of pure good days.

[Standal]

You'd rather have luck decide whether you pull or not to best of the best, instead of beating the hardest raid in the game to get it?

Raid loot and named items should be the best in slot for capped characters, but I'd still like to be excited about a +2 loot weekend. At this point I don't really even know what I'd be looking for. Do worthwhile tomes even drop any more?

[Wizza]

It was just an example, but boss beaters dont have to be about DR Bypass. The PRR/MRR is anything but niche defensive, its purely 24/7 stat and yes its OP at the moment. I was thinking a trinket of 10/10 petrification absorption or an action boost to saves clickie...etc

Well, that would be already something but we have been asking for those for a while now. Even just having clickies back would be something :rolleyes:


Raid loot and named items should be the best in slot for capped characters, but I'd still like to be excited about a +2 loot weekend. At this point I don't really even know what I'd be looking for. Do worthwhile tomes even drop any more?

+2 Look weekends are all about looting tomes. Nothing less, nothing more. There is not a single reason to loot random chests at the moment.

[Ausdoerrt]

As far as i understood them, they just want randgen to be what it is, fller **** until you get your named items. Which imo is just plain bad vision. Randgen in my view should offer the best of the best (even if just situationally)* when you got the stars aligned, with interesting effects, augments this could keep people interested in looting chests even if they already have perfected their gear layouts.

Eh, I think that's just fine. Randgen SHOULD be filler, until you get all your rare/named gear. Yeah, maybe once in a while you'll get something comparable to the more powerful items.

Also, it's not ideal, but the randgen system for weapons mostly works atm. But armor (and shields), hooooly flame, something needs to be done ASAP. If I didn't have a few *old* low-level armors stocked for my TRs, I'd probably go crazy. 100% of this tripe goes to vendor without a second thought.


Well, that would be already something but we have been asking for those for a while now. Even just having clickies back would be something :rolleyes:



+2 Look weekends are all about looting tomes. Nothing less, nothing more. There is not a single reason to loot random chests at the moment.
Essences for Cannith crafting :)

[Wizza]

Essences for Cannith crafting :)

No

[Knobull]

Wait a minute... I'm getting the feeling here that players actually asked for Lootpocalypse? :confused: (I was on a break from the game at the time...)

Really, what we need is to get rid of the ____proof prefixes, or at least reduce their value to something realistic so they don't bump items of actual value from the chest loot offered.

[Ausdoerrt]

Everything is -proof these days, so you can't just remove it, gotta bring back useful prefixes.

[jalont]

There seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread. So let's clear some things up.

1.) A lot of the old things still drop. I get disruption weapons regularly. I get some of those weirdly introduced things regularly like Sun's Fury.
2.) Clean stat items drop regularly.
3.) Clean tomes drop regularly.

I'm not sure what more people want from loot. Clickies don't exist anymore, and a few things have been removed like parrying. Besides that, random lootgen is pretty much back to the way it used to be. I have no idea what people are asking for.

[legendkilleroll]

There seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread. So let's clear some things up.

1.) A lot of the old things still drop. I get disruption weapons regularly. I get some of those weirdly introduced things regularly like Sun's Fury.
2.) Clean stat items drop regularly.
3.) Clean tomes drop regularly.

I'm not sure what more people want from loot. Clickies don't exist anymore, and a few things have been removed like parrying. Besides that, random lootgen is pretty much back to the way it used to be. I have no idea what people are asking for.

Nope, most of old things are gone, convalescent, spell proofing, obscenity, I could go on

The way it used to be? Every armor being retributive of something, people are askng for random loot to not be vendor trash

[jalont]

Nope, most of old things are gone, convalescent, spell proofing, obscenity, I could go on

The way it used to be? Every armor being retributive of something, people are askng for random loot to not be vendor trash

Random loot is better than named loot for most of the game.

The reason armor looks like that is because some things have been moved off of armor, like fortification, and the guards now have one catch-all name, "retributive". Again, there are some things, like obscenity that are gone. Those things only existed for a short period of time, and a lot more have been added back than are still missing. This tells me that it isn't broken so much as a decision not to have those things in the game anymore on loot gen.

[Ausdoerrt]

Tell me that armor isn't broken. There isn't a single piece of random-gen armor that's still worth wearing.

This is worse for shields - why aren't there any shields dropping with actual attack properties dropping (I have a few old ones and they're fantastic)?

[Chauncey1]

There was the case that the level 25 EE Dreamvisor got outdated by random loot (even of lower levels) over night. That was not funny for the people that farmed the Dreamvisor for months or bought them for insane prices. And I remember that I used certain random caster sticks for some time, because those were better than any named loot.

Edit: And my slottet random parrying of convalescents bracers (+4 insight save bonus and +30 healamp) are still best in slot for me.

I remember the Dreamvisor deal. (They look like old school Oakley's, btw) I held onto mine, just in case they become useful again.

And the bracers...I have just ONE pair like that. I almost sold them once, but changed my mind at the last minute.
Still haven't decided which toon to use them on yet, lol.

[MaeveTuohy]

Dont know about best of the best but id certainly like to see some randoms weapons atleast be useable in Epics, CitW and TF is anything else even used?

Think it was when shadowfell came out and the random loot became a joke, alot of the best items were the masterful/wonderful crafmenship things that was dropping like candy, 10/10 things were just everywhere

I just want to be able to open a chest and not have all vendor trash in there

This will always be the case if you play enough and open thousands of chests. If they revamp the loot system and there are new, more powerful goodies, eventually you will have all of those and you'll be in the same position. At some point you simply have to accept that you have everything the game has to offer and either enjoy it anyway or move on.

[Livmo]

There seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread. So let's clear some things up.

1.) A lot of the old things still drop. I get disruption weapons regularly. I get some of those weirdly introduced things regularly like Sun's Fury. Correct
2.) Clean stat items drop regularly. Correct
3.) Clean tomes drop regularly. Correct

I'm not sure what more people want from loot. Clickies don't exist anymore false, and a few things have been removed like parrying. Besides that, random lootgen is pretty much back to the way it used to be. I have no idea what people are asking for.

This post is most accurate except for the clickie part.

[legendkilleroll]

This will always be the case if you play enough and open thousands of chests. If they revamp the loot system and there are new, more powerful goodies, eventually you will have all of those and you'll be in the same position. At some point you simply have to accept that you have everything the game has to offer and either enjoy it anyway or move on.

I dont have everything on offer, far from it, some maybe do but i dont.

I just dont see the point atm, there is nothing from random loot, especially epics. With rare, random prefix/suffixes its not gonna be like a named item you know will drop eventually

[jalont]

This post is most accurate except for the clickie part.

I have not pulled a clickie in a really really long time.

[Qhualor]

This post is most accurate except for the clickie part.

What clickies have you pulled say in the past year? DW goggles and end chain rewards don't count.

[Livmo]

What clickies have you pulled say in the past year? DW goggles and end chain rewards don't count.

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Pulled a 3 charge invis 2-3 weeks ago. Before that around Christmas time I pulled a 3 charge ring of Haste and a 3 charge ring of Feather Fall.

I'm glad my loot drops aren't as bad as others.

Posted this screen shot in my hoarder thread, see if you can spot them in the guild storage. The invis ring is too new to be in the shot.

http://i.imgur.com/cKcX5yq.jpg

[Qhualor]

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Pulled a 3 charge invis 2-3 weeks ago. Before that around Christmas time I pulled a 3 charge ring of Haste and a 3 charge ring of Feather Fall.

I'm glad my loot drops aren't as bad as others.

Posted this screen shot in my hoarder thread, see if you can spot them in the guild storage. The invis ring is too new to be in the shot.

http://i.imgur.com/cKcX5yq.jpg

where though? ive heard Sharn chain still drops clickies sometimes, but that's the only thing ive heard. I haven't seen a random loot clicky drop in ages.

[Livmo]

where though? ive heard Sharn chain still drops clickies sometimes, but that's the only thing ive heard. I haven't seen a random loot clicky drop in ages.

Sharn items are BtA and won't go into Guild Storage.

Clickies still drop, not often tho. I don't keep track of where. I cover allot of ground in one play session.

You need to check your loot when you vendor or deconstruct it to catch them in your inventory like I do.

[Zantax]

What clickies have you pulled say in the past year? DW goggles and end chain rewards don't count.

I belive clickies are no longer in loot tables for normal chests and end rewards, but there are still some places you can get them. Some heroic 3BC quests can have them in end rewards (not sure which ones exactly, could be all, could be only couple of them). Some Sharn quest end rewards. Most of Eberron quest chain rewards. Also clothing shopper on airship amenity have 5 mlvl 1 items that can have old affixes (can pull x3 exp retreat or jump clickies). You also can get those from Menechterun ancient bronze token trade-ins if you are lucky.

Most of those items will be bta thou, that's why you no longer see those items on ah.

[MaeveTuohy]

3.) Clean tomes drop regularly.

Your definition of regularly is highly irregular.

I have had one clean time in the last two years. Heck, I get laid more often than that.

[Zzevel]

I have had one clean tome in the last two years.

I pulled 3 tomes last weekend, maybe its just your bad luck? Or my good luck?

[Seikojin]

Your definition of regularly is highly irregular.

I have had one clean time in the last two years. Heck, I get laid more often than that.


I pulled 3 tomes last weekend, maybe its just your bad luck? Or my good luck?

Luck and loot keying. There is an old thing that existed in Asherons call that old turbine devs may have added to ddo where players can get marked permanently for good luck or bad luck. I have had good luck at times and bad luck most others when it comes to tomes. If you really want tomes, make a toon for it that has the mark of finding added and give loot gems to that toon. +4 loot levels will boost most lootgen tables into decent tome range on elite.

[bsquishwizzy]

I have not pulled a clickie in a really really long time.

The generally only show up in low-level quests, end-reward lists, and loot in exchange systems like the one for Broze tokens in the Sands (allegedly).

[Standal]

There seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread. So let's clear some things up.

1.) A lot of the old things still drop. I get disruption weapons regularly. I get some of those weirdly introduced things regularly like Sun's Fury.
2.) Clean stat items drop regularly.
3.) Clean tomes drop regularly.

I'm not sure what more people want from loot. Clickies don't exist anymore, and a few things have been removed like parrying. Besides that, random lootgen is pretty much back to the way it used to be. I have no idea what people are asking for.




This post is most accurate except for the clickie part.

Please link to a +8 or better clean stat item. I won't ask you to link a +4/5/6 tome because I assume you have eaten or sold it.

[kmoustakas]

If they want random loot to be forcefully filler material only, then they should at least improve LOW LEVEL random loot. Because right now everything is a repeater of everbright or a greatsword of doubleshot (the latter doesn't actually exist but the former does. And I wouldn't put it past them for it actually hahahah). Even the 'stars align' obscene of feeding with red slot has lesser chances than andromeda and milky way black wholes to align currently. Granted, it's possible but even so still weaker than tier 1 thunderforged available freely for a trip to the forge and pitance plat in tha auction house.

[Knobull]

I still can't get over the idea that some players asked for the Lootpocalypse.

[janave]

I still can't get over the idea that some players asked for the Lootpocalypse.

They were kobolds* disguised as players.

*Just because the mention of other malicious creatures is bound to summon the hammer of bannings.

[MaeveTuohy]

I pulled 3 tomes last weekend, maybe its just your bad luck? Or my good luck?

Your good luck. If they dropped that frequently for all players (3/weekend) then they would not command the prices they do on the AH. They remain one of the few non-named items that can cost over 100k. At least, on Thelanis.

[Standal]

I still can't get over the idea that some players asked for the Lootpocalypse.

Nobody asked for the Lootpocalyse to the best of my knowledge. I think that Turbine attempted to improve loot from their perspective and failed in a new dismal and unique fashion.

[AbyssalMage]

Nobody asked for the Lootpocalyse to the best of my knowledge. I think that Turbine attempted to improve loot from their perspective and failed in a new dismal and unique fashion.
Lootpocalypse happened partly because of a developer (no longer working with the game), management assigning the task to a developer who wasn't familiar with the task, and a small portion of players demanding that their named items be better than randomly generated items.

The Developer -
Assigned to work on the enhancement overpass. Didn't like certain aspects of the random loot system.

"New" Loot Designer -
Assigned a task with an unreasonable finish date by management. Only had the notes of the "Item" developer. Never received player feedback until it was too late. Basically the unenviable position of trying to do the impossible with an impossible task. Honestly I don't fault him now, after learning about the fiasco.

Players -
Read previous posts. People disliked searching for the perfect random generated piece of gear to drop and also be the correct slot. They felt "entitled" to a named items always being better. Basically they wanted the "coolness" of PnP taken out of DDO.

Not even going to watch the video and feel more discouraged. Simply put, the loot revamp was a day a part of DDO died.