Any reason to stay 28?

[Suzaku]

I'm trying to look for reason to stay capped at level 28. With so much end game gear placed at level 28, I find it practically useless as it doesn't help me.

[AbyssalMage]

I'm trying to look for reason to stay capped at level 28. With so much end game gear placed at level 28, I find it practically useless as it doesn't help me.
Reasons (In no particular order):

You hate grinding XP to cap - AGAIN!
The build you currently have you are more than happy with
You want to grind gear for your next life/lives (/Cough GS)
All of your friends are level 28'ish
You want to work on an Alt (Alt'itis Anonymous unite!)
You want to farm 5k favor
You want to max your ED's
****, I honestly thought I could think of more reasons

[Bluegirl_Two]

I'm trying to look for reason to stay capped at level 28. With so much end game gear placed at level 28, I find it practically useless as it doesn't help me.

I think it depends on your individual situation and what you've done with the character previously.

If this is your first life you might want to reincarnate in order to gain additional lives while working towards completionist. If you are already a completionist you might want to epic reincarnate in order to work on epic completionist.

I also found L28 to be a good place to hold if I wasn't capped in epic destinies. The first 3 or even 4 destiny levels are pretty easy to acquire and running at L28 makes it easy to solo lots of stuff. I just walked around the destiny spheres grabbing 3 or 4 levels in everything. That way when I reincarnated and came back to epic levels my XP filled out the last destiny levels and I was able to max out each sphere.

Final reason is new content. If level cap jumps to 30 then you are there and ready for the increase. No telling when that might happen, and I don't know how fast you level characters. But, if it is a long haul for you then you might want to park and work on a 2d character. If it goes fast for you you might want to look at one of the reincarnation options.

[Dragavon]

I'm trying to look for reason to stay capped at level 28. With so much end game gear placed at level 28, I find it practically useless as it doesn't help me.

Farm heart seeds for a new epic heart? Cap the suckiest destinies while your character is at its strongest?

[Wh070aa]

Farming for things, while at your strongest. Heart seeds, raid gear, favor and stuff.

Otherwise not really. Unless you already have all the past life's you want, you are better of TRing.

[axel15810]

You can run Deathwyrm/Mark of Death at your strongest.

[Vellrad]

no, but don't worry, there's no reason to be constantly reincarnating either.

[Suzaku]

no, but don't worry, there's no reason to be constantly reincarnating either.

Except that it's fun? ;)

[Eth]

Well, at level 28 you can enjoy DDOs massive endgame. Yea, right...

[janave]

Definitely not for tomes, unless that Dev quote on the wiki includes skill tomes, its utter nonsense.

I have probably dozens+ on that (1in400something) sample. And not even 4-5 tomes. All with +1 loot boost, lvl27-31 range. Running with full party, i probably get this sample every day, HH, Orchard tour, u24 quests, thunder raids when off timer..sometimes wheelon, EE GH Tor...etc

Im okay with rare, but silly rare is silly, especially considering that its 2 clicks to buy out from the store.

With the champions spamming chests all over the place, i would expect more tomes not less.

[luvirini]

When your character has all the past lives.. :p

[Blackheartox]

When your character has all the past lives.. :p

The most sad reason of all /:

[Vellrad]

Except that it's fun? ;)

but it isn't

[Hendrik]

but it isn't

And then after all those past lives you find there is not one single quest or setting in game to challenge all that character power.

Then you become depressed because you have just ground yourself right outta playing DDO.

[Ausdoerrt]

And then after all those past lives you find there is not one single quest or setting in game to challenge all that character power.

Then you become depressed because you have just ground yourself right outta playing DDO.

It's the journey...

[Hendrik]

It's the journey...

Ahh...

The journey to more power with nothing to do with it but log out.

;)

[janave]

It's the journey...

The journey is overrated, id rather have the reward :D

[legendkilleroll]

It's the journey...

The people who buy or cheat their way have no journey to speak of :P

[Ausdoerrt]

Ahh...

The journey to more power with nothing to do with it but log out.

;)
Like every MMO ever, lol.


The people who buy or cheat their way have no journey to speak of :P
They trade the journey for a valuable life lesson :P


BTW, talking of reasons to stay 28 - you'll have an upper hand and be able to try new content faster when the cap goes to 30.

[Blackheartox]

And then after all those past lives you find there is not one single quest or setting in game to challenge all that character power.

Then you become depressed because you have just ground yourself right outta playing DDO.

No you get depressed when you get all that character power in hope you find a place to test it properly and then turbine nedlesly buffs every single thing that even your 3rd life alt does exactly the same in quests as your 3x all completionist if not even faster depending on build he is.
Depresion doesnt come from playing to much or grinding in rpgs, but from inability or reason and realization that the whole grind meant apsolutely nothing.
This game throws the player into a endless cycle of grind, and some of us who finished that realized how pointless it is.
Its fun, you learn the game, you become better at the game, you can do amazing things that regular ottopletionist or ottoduper cant do.

But what is the point in all that when turbine makes things like dps paladins and selfhealing barbs.
They turn this game upside down, buff everything without any proper logic behind the buffs that leaves you mesmerized and confused as you force yourself to log in with each and every day loging less and less.
DDo for the apsolute dedicated vet has nothing beside punishment and minor ammount of hope that one day they will make the game ok.
Then they tease you with champs just to nerf them a couple days after.
So you, a vet who likes challenge comes to realization how its pointless to waste your time on ddo and move on to other games.
You are still logged in ddo, but you dont spent a single $ and are just afk 90% of the time you are loged.

At least thats how it is for me.
Even if they make endgame and something to do at 28, i bet it will be nerfed to oblivion because people want ddo as easy as possible so that the most unskilled duper cheat abusing exploiter has the capability to solo end game whatnot raid on ee.

[janave]

BTW, talking of reasons to stay 28 - you'll have an upper hand and be able to try new content faster when the cap goes to 30.

Being able to benefit from the 2-3 days(?) of meaningful drop rates on gear before they fall back to abyss levels. It is certainly a valid point.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I made a choice a long time ago to keep one character capped and work on alts.
(although epic reincarnation seems like a good idea.....)

I kinda like having one toon capped.

...and ready to get to lvl 30 quickly when they raise the cap.


Ok, other reasons... min level gear that you like.

Raw power, but that isn't always true.....

Not much else really.... just future proofing, since it takes me a long time to level up. (since I get bored and play alts a lot)


for me, one toon at cap and reincarnate alts to try to get a better main someday...

[Vellrad]

It's the journey...

Journey is going from place a to place b and nothing more.
Its the part where you sit on stinking train, or move through jammed highway.

One of my friends said that he loves journeys, because he went to New Zeland and travelled through entire country, saying journey was awesome.
I said, its not journey, its goal, which in your case was to see everything country have to offer, and journey was driving a car from one place to another.

Same as traveling through jammed highway to see Disneyland, or enduring 2 hours of stinking train without empty seats to visit your belloved Grandma.


TLDR yourney always sucks, or is torelable at best, its goald that matters, even if its sightseeing along the way.

[nibel]

I'm trying to look for reason to stay capped at level 28.

You may really love turning your enemies into frogs.

[Blackheartox]

Journey is going from place a to place b and nothing more.
Its the part where you sit on stinking train, or move through jammed highway.

One of my friends said that he loves journeys, because he went to New Zeland and travelled through entire country, saying journey was awesome.
I said, its not journey, its goal, which in your case was to see everything country have to offer, and journey was driving a car from one place to another.

Same as traveling through jammed highway to see Disneyland, or enduring 2 hours of stinking train without empty seats to visit your belloved Grandma.


TLDR yourney always sucks, or is torelable at best, its goald that matters, even if its sightseeing along the way.

In lord of the rings the fun part was the journey, not the moment they threw the dumb ring into the volcano.
In a fantasy enviorment the journey is important not the goal.
But in ddos case, the journey is terrible and the goal which we all want has no point.
There is apsolutely nothing to be seen when you finish the journey

[Hendrik]

In lord of the rings the fun part was the journey, not the moment they threw the dumb ring into the volcano.
In a fantasy enviorment the journey is important not the goal.
But in ddos case, the journey is terrible and the goal which we all want has no point.
There is apsolutely nothing to be seen when you finish the journey

Only thing I disagree about here is that the journey has been terrible.

It's been great! Like you said, there is nothing to see when you get there.

You could always start back at square one and do the same exact journey as before, hoping this time when you get to the destination there is something there - just to find out there isn't.

So, do it again with the same hope - maybe this time...

Hey, at least we get to add two more levels to our 'journey' soon making that trip take longer, gaining more power along the way, all the time knowing once we get there, there is nothing there for us.

Yea.

[Gremmlynn]

Being able to benefit from the 2-3 days(?) of meaningful drop rates on gear before they fall back to abyss levels. It is certainly a valid point.Those abysmal drop rates are actually a way to give players something to do at cap. Looting everything you want quickly just leads to more threads like this one.

[Blackheartox]

Those abysmal drop rates are actually a way to give players something to do at cap. Looting everything you want quickly just leads to more threads like this one.

Exactly, i really enjoy that it took 520 so far ee vol runs for buddy to get his helm in vol, now we will try to get one for my alt since im killing time tring her til we get warlock in hope the class ends up as i imagine /more or less i hope for never2 clone

[slarden]

Only thing I disagree about here is that the journey has been terrible.

It's been great! Like you said, there is nothing to see when you get there.

You could always start back at square one and do the same exact journey as before, hoping this time when you get to the destination there is something there - just to find out there isn't.

So, do it again with the same hope - maybe this time...

Hey, at least we get to add two more levels to our 'journey' soon making that trip take longer, gaining more power along the way, all the time knowing once we get there, there is nothing there for us.

Yea.

Yeah I enjoyed the journey and am looking forward to an end game. In the meantime I have several alts sitting around with 0 epic past lifes and some are still sitting at 25. I need to get those ready for Epic Vale!

[janave]

Those abysmal drop rates are actually a way to give players something to do at cap. Looting everything you want quickly just leads to more threads like this one.

Wrong, people run something dry they abandon the game in disgust, saying that massive monotonous repetition is fun/good or adds staying reasons is false.

When i loot something, i want to use it on my character, like use it ongoing until something better comes along, and if it needs work beyond reason, it really just takes away from the fun, definitely not adding to it. Doing a quest a 100 times in a row to loot an item is self inflicted pain, "special" people may enjoy that. People looking for entertainment usually do not.

[Ausdoerrt]

Being able to benefit from the 2-3 days(?) of meaningful drop rates on gear before they fall back to abyss levels. It is certainly a valid point.
Well, that, but not just that. Being up-to-date, trying fresh content with everyone, running things that haven't been picked apart on the wiki yet, instant grouping etc. And trust me, when a new pack is epic (esp. higher epic levels), while all your toons are under 20... it just sucks.


TLDR yourney always sucks, or is torelable at best, its goald that matters, even if its sightseeing along the way.
Now, now, out with the negative thinking.

Although, in many ways it's a matter of perspective - in other words, people bring this onto themselves. You could look out the window and enjoy the scenery, or you could grumble the whole way while counting minutes to destination, if this analogy makes sense.


That said, "maxxed" toons are probably not meant to be played as actively as the rest. I mean, they are there to jump on that high-level raid, try to get an achievement or to do something out of the ordinary. Not that different from when cap was 20, except back then people seemed to have more capped alts in the stable.

[axel15810]

I think we all know that the endgame is lacking right now. Luckily, the devs have stated they are focused on making one this year.

That means this is the perfect time to work on past lives for when that endgame comes. Honestly there's not a whole lot else to do. Tier 3 Thunderforged is way too hard to get and will be made obsolete this year anyway. Epic Litany is about the only item I see as probably still being worn by most at level 30...and you can raid timer your way to 20th list in one evening with a good group.

I'm spending this time working on epic completionist on main. I really hope all epic elites in the epic amrath/vale quests are BRUTAL so all my past life grinding is worth it. I want a real challenge, no more casual EE endgame like we saw in necro 4. Let's do it devs.

[MisterCanoeHead]

It's the journey...

When you take the same route over and over again it isn't called a journey, it's called a commute. Most people hate commuting, it's most often associated with work.

[Gremmlynn]

Wrong, people run something dry they abandon the game in disgust, saying that massive monotonous repetition is fun/good or adds staying reasons is false.

When i loot something, i want to use it on my character, like use it ongoing until something better comes along, and if it needs work beyond reason, it really just takes away from the fun, definitely not adding to it. Doing a quest a 100 times in a row to loot an item is self inflicted pain, "special" people may enjoy that. People looking for entertainment usually do not.Personally I would consider anyone who even considers any item worth running something 100+ times in a row to be pretty "special" from the start. For myself, not having those things that I may like is just another reason to even consider running any particular content, as is drops I can barter for other things I want (generally AS to further pimp out the ship), good xp return, good renown return (sagas), or simply because I just plain like that particular content.

If none of the other categories apply, getting that one thing I may want from a quest just means I have no real reason to run it anymore and have one less thing to do in the game. Thus I end up playing less as well as burning out on the game faster.

[Faltout]

Journey is going from place a to place b and nothing more.
Its the part where you sit on stinking train, or move through jammed highway.

One of my friends said that he loves journeys, because he went to New Zeland and travelled through entire country, saying journey was awesome.
I said, its not journey, its goal, which in your case was to see everything country have to offer, and journey was driving a car from one place to another.

Same as traveling through jammed highway to see Disneyland, or enduring 2 hours of stinking train without empty seats to visit your belloved Grandma.


TLDR yourney always sucks, or is torelable at best, its goald that matters, even if its sightseeing along the way.
The day to day life can be fascinating if you let it and help it become so.
And the bad stuff can become good stories too. the stinking train can be a subject of many jokes.

Btw, the goal to see everything the country has to offer has 2 parts: The "doing so" and the "done so". The first being the journey and the second being the goal. Having done something is not by itself exciting as the manner in which you did it.

Learn how to live...

[Saekee]

I'm trying to look for reason to stay capped at level 28. With so much end game gear placed at level 28, I find it practically useless as it doesn't help me.

It's much easier doing the ice jump on a capped character

[krimsonrane]

I'm trying to look for reason to stay capped at level 28. With so much end game gear placed at level 28, I find it practically useless as it doesn't help me.

I'm taking a break from TRing now and just doing things because I want to. Challenging my build and running quests for no other reason than I like them. I don't need anything, I don't want anything and I'm in no rush to get anywhere. It's kinda nice.

[Oxarhamar]

When you take the same route over and over again it isn't called a journey, it's called a commute. Most people hate commuting, it's most often associated with work.

And when the commute is your leisure activity