Wheloon Rares and Random Encounters.

[FranOhmsford]

Devs - Can you please do something about the spawn rates of Rares and Random Encounters in Wheloon Prison {especially Heroic!}.

Yes I made heavy use of Major Slayer Pots but still - Almost 3k slain and only 6/12 Rares is just plain ridiculous!

The Random Encounter list has almost 2 times as many gaps as actual encounters found!


P.S. with a max level for full XP of 20 and a viable level range of 16-20 to actually run this slayer the Max Slayer Count of 7,500 is virtually unreachable!
This could do with being dropped to 5,000.

[FranOhmsford]

Seriously - I just ran two more full clearances of Heroic Wheloon Prison on Lieuk {Lvl 20 pure Monk} and:
1st Clearance = 0 rares, 1 Random Encounter that I already had {Nil}
2nd Clearance = 2 rares {started instance on 6/12 ended instance on 7/12} and 1 random encounter {a new one but unfortunately even as a Lvl 20 Pure Monk in maxed GMoF I either didn't have enough Concentration or you need Diplo and/or Intim too to even be able to complete that encounter!}.

2,969 total kills now!

And I haven't seen more than 2 rares in a single instance yet!

The Spawn Rate of Rares and Random Encounters in this Zone is a JOKE!!!

[FranOhmsford]

202 more kills for a total of 3,171
0 Rares = Still on 7/12
1 Random Encounter {Big Bullies - Already Had!}

Of 18 Random Encounters I have 5!
The Abandoned Chest
Big Bullies
Bigger Bullies
Food Supply
Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained {Nil}

[Sehenry03]

I hot 3k kills last life and had 6 rares out of the entire time. yes the rare rates in a lot of slayer areas need bumped up.

You should be able to hit maximum slayers WITH a pot since thye sell them in the store and have all your rares by the time you hit it. Its rather annoying to go into a slayer area for just rares when all slayers and explorers are done =(

[FranOhmsford]

I hot 3k kills last life and had 6 rares out of the entire time. yes the rare rates in a lot of slayer areas need bumped up.

You should be able to hit maximum slayers WITH a pot since thye sell them in the store and have all your rares by the time you hit it. Its rather annoying to go into a slayer area for just rares when all slayers and explorers are done =(

I know I can hit 7,500 by using major slayer pots BUT those should NOT be required!

And yes it's exceedingly annoying to be still rare hunting when you've already cleared the slayer - Cerulean Hills and Searing Heights are the worst slayers for that {smeggin' Fire Ele!!!}.


The Rare Rates in slayers up to and including The Manufactory are pretty good tbh
High Road isn't bad either apart from that annoying buggy Werewolf!
BUT
Wheloon is just broken!

2nd run today
Up to 3,415 kills {that's another 244 so KPI isn't bad}
1 Rare - Lord Monte {Already had him so still 7/12!}
5 Random Encounters - Best run so far for these BUT already had 3 of them {Big Bullies, Bigger Bullies and Food Supply} and The War Wizard went and died on me so actually only got one more to add to my list {The Knight's Fall}.

[Sehenry03]

I know I can hit 7,500 by using major slayer pots BUT those should NOT be required!

And yes it's exceedingly annoying to be still rare hunting when you've already cleared the slayer - Cerulean Hills and Searing Heights are the worst slayers for that {smeggin' Fire Ele!!!}.


The Rare Rates in slayers up to and including The Manufactory are pretty good tbh
High Road isn't bad either apart from that annoying buggy Werewolf!
BUT
Wheloon is just broken!

2nd run today
Up to 3,415 kills {that's another 244 so KPI isn't bad}
1 Rare - Lord Monte {Already had him so still 7/12!}
5 Random Encounters - Best run so far for these BUT already had 3 of them {Big Bullies, Bigger Bullies and Food Supply} and The War Wizard went and died on me so actually only got one more to add to my list {The Knight's Fall}.

Sorry if I was confusing. I was actually agreeing with you 100%.

My point is if Turbine is gonna sell slayer pots in the store...then they need to make slayer areas take those into account. Meaning if I want to buy 5 slayer pots and spend the next 5 hours in Wheloon/Kings Forest then Turbine needs to tweak the rare spawn rate so that I have ALL rares by the time I hit 7500 kills. With a pot going that's 2500 kills. If you want us to spend our money on the slayer pots then make it so rare spawns are done or REALLY close to being done by the time I hit 7500. Its really messed up to hit 7500 kills and only be halfway through the rares.

If nothing else make slayer pots increase the rare chances or something.

[FranOhmsford]

Sorry if I was confusing. I was actually agreeing with you 100%.

My point is if Turbine is gonna sell slayer pots in the store...then they need to make slayer areas take those into account. Meaning if I want to buy 5 slayer pots and spend the next 5 hours in Wheloon/Kings Forest then Turbine needs to tweak the rare spawn rate so that I have ALL rares by the time I hit 7500 kills. With a pot going that's 2500 kills. If you want us to spend our money on the slayer pots then make it so rare spawns are done or REALLY close to being done by the time I hit 7500. Its really messed up to hit 7500 kills and only be halfway through the rares.



Can't be done!

Take it to the extreme - Cerulean Hills - A single Major Slayer Pot is enough to complete the Max Slayer total BEFORE you've even cleared ONE instance!

And Red Fens is the other extreme - 7,500 max slayer total at a measly 150 mobs per instance!
I regularly get every single rare before hitting 750 kills - If I had to wait till I was closing on 7,500 to get the last coupla rares I'd go insane!



If nothing else make slayer pots increase the rare chances or something.

I really don't understand why the Devs haven't already done this - It would double or even triple the number of Slayer Pots bought!

[FranOhmsford]

In most slayer zones I can get pretty close to all rares within 5 clearances {add a couple of run outs to the last rare spot}.

5 Clearances of Wheloon at 200 KPI and on a Major Pot tripling that would be 3,000 Slain {600x5} - Wheloon takes between 30 and 45 minutes for a full clearance solo which means you'd need 3 Major Pots to do that!

The Rare Spawn rate that sees me on 7/12 rares at 3,415 Slain is just plain ridiculous!

I've made maybe 9-10 runs total to get that having only used 2 Major Pots on said Zone!

I should be at the very least looking for my last 1 or 2 rares at this point!

I should also have at least double the random encounters I've actually got!

[FAQ]

Yes, rare spawn rates are crazy low in Wheloon. I was able to finish getting all rares in the heroic version, but it definitely was not fun. For example, to get Sombra the Shar priestess, I had to reset the instance 30+ times (and this was just running to the mansion and recalling if not there).

I really miss wilderness areas like Sands, where the rares have a reasonable spawn rate, and some always appear.

[FranOhmsford]

Yes, rare spawn rates are crazy low in Wheloon. I was able to finish getting all rares in the heroic version, but it definitely was not fun. For example, to get Sombra the Shar priestess, I had to reset the instance 30+ times (and this was just running to the mansion and recalling if not there).

I really miss wilderness areas like Sands, where the rares have a reasonable spawn rate, and some always appear.

Sands has one spot where there's a choice of two rares - meaning one of them will always appear - I've got Ayurro 7 times in a row while searching for Errol and Errol 7 times in a row while searching for Ayurro before BUT I've never hit 3000 Gnolls before getting ALL the Rares!

Never mind 3000 Scorrow or Undead!


Wheloon's rare spawn rate isn't just low compared to other slayer zones - It's blatantly and brutally low!

[BD_]

Sands has one spot where there's a choice of two rares - meaning one of them will always appear - I've got Ayurro 7 times in a row while searching for Errol and Errol 7 times in a row while searching for Ayurro before BUT I've never hit 3000 Gnolls before getting ALL the Rares!

Never mind 3000 Scorrow or Undead!


Wheloon's rare spawn rate isn't just low compared to other slayer zones - It's blatantly and brutally low!

I've seen Errulf and Ayurro at the same time and also seen neither of them plenty of times.

[FranOhmsford]

I've seen Errulf and Ayurro at the same time and also seen neither of them plenty of times.

Lol - That's actually impossible to see both at the same time as they spawn in the exact same spot!
Perhaps you're thinking of one of the other rare Gnolls?

Having run Sands to 1500 plus Gnolls on dozens of Characters I can't remember a single instance where neither spawned!

[FAQ]

Lol - That's actually impossible to see both at the same time as they spawn in the exact same spot!
Perhaps you're thinking of one of the other rare Gnolls?

Having run Sands to 1500 plus Gnolls on dozens of Characters I can't remember a single instance where neither spawned!

Exactly, it's one or the other. But there is always someone up there.

[Cardoor]

Lol - That's actually impossible to see both at the same time as they spawn in the exact same spot!
Perhaps you're thinking of one of the other rare Gnolls?

Having run Sands to 1500 plus Gnolls on dozens of Characters I can't remember a single instance where neither spawned!


Exactly, it's one or the other. But there is always someone up there.

U24 increased the drop rate of rare items in the sands, so a change could have happened. Historically, like you, I have always seen one or the other. I have also been out there a couple of times since U24 and have encountered one or the other (never both or none), so at this point I lean to agreeing with you both.

[Missing_Minds]

Honestly, I think all explorer zones could use respawning for standard mobs, but not for the rares. Leave the rare method of it is either there or not as is. (besides bumping up the possibly of them spawning of course.)

[Krelar]

U24 increased the drop rate of rare items in the sands, so a change could have happened. Historically, like you, I have always seen one or the other. I have also been out there a couple of times since U24 and have encountered one or the other (never both or none), so at this point I lean to agreeing with you both.

Is there somewhere else you can get two rare gnolls? I know on my last TR I found two rare gnolls right next to each other in an explorer area somewhere, but I don't actually remember where I was.

[FranOhmsford]

Is there somewhere else you can get two rare gnolls? I know on my last TR I found two rare gnolls right next to each other in an explorer area somewhere, but I don't actually remember where I was.

There's 4 rare Gnolls within a small area of Sands and another 2 within another small area in Sands!

But there's only one spot where 2 spawn in the exact same place - Errulf and Ayurro!

Vorvand Darkfur does spawn below them though.

[Cardoor]

Is there somewhere else you can get two rare gnolls? I know on my last TR I found two rare gnolls right next to each other in an explorer area somewhere, but I don't actually remember where I was.

You might be thinking of the Gnoll village at the top of the ladder where there is always a chest (but randomly a rare), so sometimes two chests?

[FranOhmsford]

OK I've passed 5k Slayer in Heroic Wheloon now {5,104 to be exact} having spent another Major Slayer Pot on 1 1/2 runs {takes me 35 minutes to do a full clearance solo - I put up an LFM and not one person joined!}.
I was on about 3800 before these two runs.

I'm now on 93/100 Liberated.
I'm STILL on 8/12 Rares {Didn't get a SINGLE Rare Spawn in TWO runs! - The chances of getting any of the 4 Rares I still need is now so low as to be considered impossible!}.
And I still need 5 Random Encounters! {Again - The chances of getting the RIGHT Random Encounters is now super low!}.


Something has to be done about these Spawn Rates Devs!

There's 12 Rares in Heroic Wheloon which means that a Bad run on a Full Instance Clear should give 2-3, an Average run 4-5 and a good run 6+
NOT 0, 1 and 2 if you're seriously lucky!

I've had runs where I've seen 0 Random Encounters too - This is blatantly broken!
There's no way I should see less than 3 of these per run!



P.S. DON'T tell me I should be running this in a Group!
I've put LFMs up, I've KEPT LFMs up while out there - NO-ONE JOINS!

[FranOhmsford]

Come on Devs - Can we please get at least a verification that Wheloon is on your radar for fixes {or not if that's the case.}?

Do you realise just how ludicrously and blatantly Heroic Wheloon is out of step with other Heroic Slayers in Spawn rates?

[FAQ]

OK I've passed 5k Slayer in Heroic Wheloon now {5,104 to be exact} having spent another Major Slayer Pot on 1 1/2 runs {takes me 35 minutes to do a full clearance solo - I put up an LFM and not one person joined!}.
I was on about 3800 before these two runs.

I'm now on 93/100 Liberated.
I'm STILL on 8/12 Rares {Didn't get a SINGLE Rare Spawn in TWO runs! - The chances of getting any of the 4 Rares I still need is now so low as to be considered impossible!}.
And I still need 5 Random Encounters! {Again - The chances of getting the RIGHT Random Encounters is now super low!}.


Something has to be done about these Spawn Rates Devs!

There's 12 Rares in Heroic Wheloon which means that a Bad run on a Full Instance Clear should give 2-3, an Average run 4-5 and a good run 6+
NOT 0, 1 and 2 if you're seriously lucky!

I've had runs where I've seen 0 Random Encounters too - This is blatantly broken!
There's no way I should see less than 3 of these per run!



P.S. DON'T tell me I should be running this in a Group!
I've put LFMs up, I've KEPT LFMs up while out there - NO-ONE JOINS!

I feel your pain. I really hope the devs up the spawn rate there.

But if it's any consolation, the rares do spawn, unlike the King's Forest, which has been acknowledged by devs to be broken. I was able to complete all rares and randoms in heroic Wheloon. But to be honest it was neither fun nor easy because of the abysmal spawn rates (you might wonder why do it then? Because I'm trying to complete all wilderness areas, just to see if I won't loose my mind before that happens).

[Ausdoerrt]

On a related note, has anyone EVER gotten the Shar Manor key to spawn in Heroic Wheloon? Two lives, many tries, no dice...

[DougGlyndwyr]

Sands needs a minimum of three passes to clear. Not only do you have Errulf and Ayrryo, but you always get 1 of 3 but not more in the Canyon. Den Mother Feena, Stinkpelt, and Yurrgh operate this way as well. Feena, to me, seems to proc lowest, just as Errulf procs a bit lower than Ayrryo.

[FAQ]

On a related note, has anyone EVER gotten the Shar Manor key to spawn in Heroic Wheloon? Two lives, many tries, no dice...

Yes, I think I've gotten it (because you need it to get missive #8, and I've gotten all missives). It's just a pain to get IIRC. Get ready for a lot of instance resetting.

[FranOhmsford]

On a related note, has anyone EVER gotten the Shar Manor key to spawn in Heroic Wheloon? Two lives, many tries, no dice...

Yes - Multiple times in fact - The main problem with this key though is that unless you're specifically looking for it you're highly unlikely to notice it!


Sands needs a minimum of three passes to clear. Not only do you have Errulf and Ayrryo, but you always get 1 of 3 but not more in the Canyon. Den Mother Feena, Stinkpelt, and Yurrgh operate this way as well. Feena, to me, seems to proc lowest, just as Errulf procs a bit lower than Ayrryo.

Yep and that's a true best case scenario too!

With a Major Slayer Pot {200% bonus} I can clear the Gnolls in just over 3 runs, Scorrow and Undead however will take more like 10 each!

The Rare Spawn rate in Sands is pretty high - I regularly get 8 rares per run - and getting the last couple simply entails running out to an exact spot till it spawns.
+ The good named loot drops tend to drop from the lowest spawn rate rares - Errulf {Firestorm Greaves}, Thirsty {Bloodstone & Dusk Heart} & Yurrugh {Thornlord}
General Tanakh on the other hand spawns regularly BUT if he didn't you'd have no chance of ever seeing a RoSS drop! Even with his relatively high spawn rate I've seen exactly 2 drop in 4 years!
And Palumak seems to spawn 7x out of 10 {I got two Dusk Hearts in two runs the other day!}.


Yes, I think I've gotten it (because you need it to get missive #8, and I've gotten all missives). It's just a pain to get IIRC. Get ready for a lot of instance resetting.

Err...It doesn't have a specific spawn spot!

Instance resetting isn't really an option for this.

[FAQ]

Err...It doesn't have a specific spawn spot!

Instance resetting isn't really an option for this.

Well, I know it can spawn very close to Harvest Hall and very close to Shar Manor.

Since I was only missing this specific message I would just jump directly to Harvest Hall and check for key, then use sewer passage to Friends in Low Places and check near Manor, and then recall reset if it was not there.

So you can actually use this option if you don't want to wander around much, even if it doesn't have a specific spawn point.

[Seikojin]

While you are at it, make all wilderness increase spawn density based on party size. :)

[Sehenry03]

Based on party size is great but I have a tough time getting enough people to join to make a big increase.

I still wish they would add a slider bar at the entrance window so you could pick whatever density you want. yes I know this helps soloers more but if there is any time I have issues getting a group together it is always for slayers so this would be a HUGE bonus for me. I would SO love being able to set the party size to 6 and I could care less if they scale the difficulty with it I am fine with that.

[Ausdoerrt]

Yes - Multiple times in fact - The main problem with this key though is that unless you're specifically looking for it you're highly unlikely to notice it!

Well, yea, I've been looking for it like crazy, but, it's just not there :(