There's a right way and a wrong way to do things.

[Thalone]

Wrong Way!
Right Way!


Treasure chest! "Does anyone need X?" After which we sit dumbly waiting for everyone to answer.
Link X, stick "roll d<something>" into party chat. Pass to winner or loot if no response in 10 seconds.


Join my party and ask, "Have you started yet?"
Look at my LFM. If there is an "Adventure Active: x minutes" on it, I have started!


Turn around and follow me after I've specifically waited for the swarm of blue dots to pick a direction and I've split off to do an optional.
Running off by onesself is the universal signal meaning, "I can handle this." In rare cases, this may end in tears... but many quests can be finished more efficiently by splitting.



Run off from quest objective levers before getting confirmation they were completed.
VoN 5 fire jet, I'm looking at you! Stay and wait for the ladders to come down; it'll save you running after.



Keep beating on the VoN pillars, despite being told not to.
We've all been in this party. Can we please wait for the pillars to be prepped? It should be obvious when chat is filled with nothing but reports of which bases are prepped and people are telling you not to attack...




Ask what quest is next, after I've typed what's next in party chat.
Read party chat. I put lots of useful info in there!



Ask what quest is next, after I've typed what's next in party chat, and told the first guy who asked to read party chat.
Yes, this happens frighteningly often!



When I have the star, stand around waiting for me to start the next quest.
If you were in the previous quest with me, you already know from observation that once I've finished a quest, I'll immediately start the next, barring a slight break to repair or sell. You don't have to wait for me... enter and goooo!



Ask for a share on quests that you XP farm in epic levels.
Once you turn in, immediately talk to the NPC to retake the quest. Then you are ready for tomorrow!



Tell me to convert to a raid, when it's obvious I can't.
If you're smart enough to notice the LFM went down with six people, you're smart enough to mouseover the LFM when you joined to see that people were still in a quest and I couldn't convert. Give them a chance to recall so I actually can convert.



Tell me to convert to a raid, after I've explained to the first guy why I can't.
...



Quit the party after you can't find the quest entrance. After I've asked in party chat if you can find the way before I start. Twice.
I dunno, accept my offer of help?



Join a BYOH group and have no way to heal yourself.
Yes, this old chestnut.




What else are people doing wrong on the Internet?

[FlaviusMaximus]

oh the wacky world of ddo.

[Qhualor]

I think you are sharing what you personally prefer.

1. Its amazing how many people actually don't know how to roll.

I can't read chat or won't see chat when 5 other people are looting the chest at the same time someone links an item and says roll.

2. Its not what I would say is common but I've seen people enter quest, go back out and wait for people to show up starting the timer.

After so many minutes the lfm doesn't show the timer anymore. I can see why people would ask.

3. Yes it can be more efficient splitting up, but not all group leaders want that. That's why we say it doesn't hurt to ask.

4. If a group is fast paced you will often see players trying to help out.

Some just don't know about levers and dare not to touch something they shouldn't.

5. Some groups just say kill djinns and keep beating on pillar until done.

Sometimes reading party chat is tough when you are in the middle of fighting and clicking buttons. Von 6 is a good place for voice.

6. Make sure people aren't having a long winded conversation causing your next quest to disappear or while people are looting.

7. See 6.

8. Some people don't like it when someone else starts the quest. Its considered polite to wait unless party leader says its OK.

Some players aren't playing strong characters capable of soloing while the party leader afks or sells. Probably a good reason why they group.

9. Sometimes I brainfart. Sorry I made you open your quest journal, select quest which you probably already have lit up as you xp farm the same quest and hit share button.

Xp farming the same quest usually doesn't mean running back to collect reward unless NPC is real close by. Normally party leader drops quest and asks for a share.

10. Patience is a virtue, but what takes so long to recall from a quest that makes people tell the party leader to convert? Instanaeous?

11. Usually don't see this happen, but usually people will accept help. I often will enter a quest last unless I know the lost player can find his way or he does need a guide.

12. They still exist? Sounds like maybe low level new players.

[HastyPudding]

Some of these depend on the person. If I'm the leader, you can go ahead and start doing the quest if I'm not there. The only exception being quests with a high amount of optionals/chests (like VoN 3). If I make a VoN 3 LFM, I expect you to either wait until I'm there or sit in the pre-quest until I'm there (that's if I'm the leader, if you got the star, it's your party, you do what you want).

And the LFM's don't always say 'adventure active: x minutes'. Quite a few times, they don't say anything. But in general, if you look at the LFM and see that people are in a quest (you can tell from their location in the LFM's party menu), don't ask if they've started yet. Also, the worst thing somebody says when entering a group isn't 'share plz' it's 'what quest you doing?'. If you joined an LFM, you should know what quest is being done, the ONLY exception being when the LFM says 'GH walkups', or 'Necro 4', or 'vale elites' or something along those lines. In which case, you should look at the people's locations in the LFM before even asking, anyway.

I'd like to add a new one, too:

DO NOT leave your LFM status on active. It's really annoying when I'm fighting or typing something and some newcomer enters the quest and the window pops up asking if I want to make the quest an active/public LFM. I will NEVER make an LFM where just anyone can join, unless it's for slayers.

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

What else are people doing wrong on the Internet?

Declaring their own personal nuances The Law?

[goodspeed]

The hell with that roll thing.

I link it and say who needs it speak. First person that answers before ive arranged the **** in my bag gets it. If more then one answered the first person still gets it. Let them fight it out I got xp to grind out.

[Thalone]

DO NOT leave your LFM status on active. It's really annoying when I'm fighting or typing something and some newcomer enters the quest and the window pops up asking if I want to make the quest an active/public LFM. I will NEVER make an LFM where just anyone can join, unless it's for slayers.

Oh for the love of all that's Holy Burst, that. People with public LFMS toggled on join my groups all the time and that silly popup whacks me in the face.


I think you are sharing what you personally prefer.

1. Its amazing how many people actually don't know how to roll.
Whatcha going to do when multiple people say, "I want it?" Alpha order? First to type in chat answers to skill-testing questions? Rolling is the natural way of determining who wins the item. If only one person rolls, they are the only one who wants the item and they get it; if multiple people roll, the winning roll gets it. Regardless if the decision method is rolling or not, your point has nothing to do with mine--that asking "who wants this" is a waste of time and effort in the case where multiple people are guaranteed to want it, i.e., farming Shroud shards, rare raid loot, etc. Start off with the roll-off or skill-testing question or whatever so you don't have to sort out who gets what. I have seen people ask, "Who wants X?" and then have to resort to a roll-off seconds later! Just start with the roll-off.

I can't read chat or won't see chat when 5 other people are looting the chest at the same time someone links an item and says roll.
Which reminds me of another wrong thing!!! Why on earth do you care what someone else got in the chest? Take out the loot text from your party chat, fer crying out loud, and while you're at it, take out anything that's not party/quest related.

2. Its not what I would say is common but I've seen people enter quest, go back out and wait for people to show up starting the timer.

After so many minutes the lfm doesn't show the timer anymore. I can see why people would ask.
I have never seen a timer expire, until the quest has actually completed. Haven't you seen the screenshots of people in quests with a timer thousands of minutes long?

3. Yes it can be more efficient splitting up, but not all group leaders want that. That's why we say it doesn't hurt to ask.
I'll grant you have a point here, as people tend to follow me if I have the star, while I tend to wander off to do optionals if someone else is leading.

4. If a group is fast paced you will often see players trying to help out.

Some just don't know about levers and dare not to touch something they shouldn't.
It's perfectly fine not to touch something until told. My point was that they were at the levers and pulled them, then ran off before the ladders were lowered successfully. (People on the pipe missed the jump.)

5. Some groups just say kill djinns and keep beating on pillar until done.

Sometimes reading party chat is tough when you are in the middle of fighting and clicking buttons. Von 6 is a good place for voice.

Was heroic, no djinns. And it's a pillar. It doesn't take much concentration to hit a pillar and read party chat.

6. Make sure people aren't having a long winded conversation causing your next quest to disappear or while people are looting.
They aren't. Right after completion, I'll type out what I'm doing next. I do this every quest, unless it was specified extremely clearly earlier ("Orchard quests in teleporter order"). It's possibly related to the loot text you mentioned, but loot text does not belong in party chat. Wrong thing on the Internet!

8. Some people don't like it when someone else starts the quest. Its considered polite to wait unless party leader says its OK.

Some players aren't playing strong characters capable of soloing while the party leader afks or sells. Probably a good reason why they group.
I'll give you the point here.

9. Sometimes I brainfart. Sorry I made you open your quest journal, select quest which you probably already have lit up as you xp farm the same quest and hit share button.

Xp farming the same quest usually doesn't mean running back to collect reward unless NPC is real close by. Normally party leader drops quest and asks for a share.
I probably didn't communicate this point properly. These are common "daily quests" done in epic levels to farm XP. I.e., they are done once per day, and once only. Then you collect your end reward (Comms/Seeds) and move on. There is never any reason for you to ask for a share in these quests--grab your reward, talk to the quest giver (They're right there! In front of you!) and you're ready for tomorrow's farm.

10. Patience is a virtue, but what takes so long to recall from a quest that makes people tell the party leader to convert? Instanaeous?
Beats me!

[Thalone]

Declaring their own personal nuances The Law?

No: THE LAW!!!.

[HastyPudding]

No: THE LAW!!!.

http://i.imgur.com/Ig2wS0H.gif

[AzB]

Look at my LFM. If there is an "Adventure Active: x minutes" on it, I have started!


A remarkable number of people on Cannith just type the quest name in the text box and don't select the quest from the list. Then there's no way to tell how long the group has been in. You can tell whether they're in or not by looking at the list and seeing the locations of each player, but there's no idea whether they just started or they're almost done.

Unless the leaders like getting and sending tells while they're running through a quest, I have no idea why people don't use the correct mechanic and give potential group members the info they need.

Az

[the_one_dwarfforged]

seems like your issues in this case largely stem from pugging von5/6 heroic. 6 is a definite nono.

powercreep is just barely sufficient to compensate for lack of intelligence, resulting in any pug epic 6 completions.

the more you know!

[BOgre]

Although I can more or less agree with you on what's the 'right' or 'wrong' way, I think the moment you start making the issue a List with a capital 'L' you're taking things too seriously. You must be aware that there will ALWAYS always always be at least one party member in EVERY single one of your pugs that does everything the 'wrong' way. Taking things this seriously will just mean you'll be forever frustrated and PO'd. Let it go dude.

Also, you have #8 backwards. It's super bad form to jumpstart a quest while the Star is off elsewhere. Unless the Star explicitly states that someone else should start the quest, party members shouldn't assume it's OK to start without the Star. Never ever. Ditto for splitting off to complete an optional. If you have the star and intend to run off by your onesies, take a minute to let the party know in chat. Even then, one of your members may still want to come along to learn the optional.

A few of your List items seem more like base assumptions on your part compounded by lack of communication. Not most, but a few.

Peace.

[Powskier]

ya know is is easy to miss the message in party chat ;especially when goofs message next dungeon while players are looting...lighten up ....god forbid someone slows you down for 2 freakin seconds!

[mikarddo]

ya know is is easy to miss the message in party chat ;especially when goofs message next dungeon while players are looting...lighten up ....god forbid someone slows you down for 2 freakin seconds!

Its a good idea to have two windows. One with group chat and another with everything else. That way you dont miss the info. Not that I expect people in pugs tø pay attention nor really mind. When I pug I expect little but I am often pleasantly surprised.

[Powskier]

you missed the old ..join and quit a guild move...mostly op mentions quest specific experiences,and are just complaints about player experience;when the real scumbag moves come outside quests.

[Powskier]

Its a good idea to have two windows. One with group chat and another with everything else. That way you dont miss the info. Not that I expect people in pugs tø pay attention nor really mind. When I pug I expect little but I am often pleasantly surprised.

if it is to much trouble to repeat a missed message- the op has no business leading public groups...leading tends to mean you are willing to coordinate players and quest;but op dosn't want to do any of that ? 2 chat windows,no thx,not everyone has a 40 inch monitor ,and the looting scrolls party messages fast was the point-xtra window wont do squat to help that. I been in parties where leader types next run while mass looting is goin on;it is an ignorant move,and more ignorant to get mad about it!

[Powskier]

A remarkable number of people on Cannith just type the quest name in the text box and don't select the quest from the list.
Unless the leaders like getting and sending tells while they're running through a quest, I have no idea why people don't use the correct mechanic and give potential group members the info they need.



ghallanda has alot too..they use blank lfm and type 3-4 quests that never show if active..or one i dislike ,is leaving the same quest up and running different quests...i seen leaders not tell where they are ,and players wander to wrong place (i seen this more than once or twice)

[Oxarhamar]

ghallanda has alot too..they use blank lfm and type 3-4 quests that never show if active..or one i dislike ,is leaving the same quest up and running different quests...i seen leaders not tell where they are ,and players wander to wrong place (i seen this more than once or twice)

We do something to this effect.

Put up LFM list (wheloon EE whole chain IP) or XYZ quests IP add the first quest we are entering to the drop down list & go. Once we are going there is no stopping and updating the LFM. There is no need to anyone who joins or wants to join knows what we are doing and can ask which one we are in.

[Oxarhamar]

Whatcha going to do when multiple people say, "I want it?" Alpha order? First to type in chat answers to skill-testing questions? Rolling is the natural way of determining who wins the item. If only one person rolls, they are the only one who wants the item and they get it; if multiple people roll, the winning roll gets it. Regardless if the decision method is rolling or not, your point has nothing to do with mine--that asking "who wants this" is a waste of time and effort in the case where multiple people are guaranteed to want it, i.e., farming Shroud shards, rare raid loot, etc. Start off with the roll-off or skill-testing question or whatever so you don't have to sort out who gets what. I have seen people ask, "Who wants X?" and then have to resort to a roll-off seconds later! Just start with the roll-off.


Yep Alpha order works for non raid loot or maybe I'll just ninja pass it to someone who hasn't looted yet because, I dont want that garbage or to stand around at a chest waiting for you to decide to roll and measuring your roll vs. Other rolls as well as determining has everyone rolled who wants to roll. Asking "who wants?" can save the trouble of a roll off in 2 cases: no one wants, only one player wants.

You would hate my method of rolling loot.

Step 1. loot drops
Step 2. Roll d100 for loot
Step 3. Pass loot to first person who rolls and move on.

Your welcome

Maybe you need to do some learning on who's loot is who's and realize that what they do with it is thier business not yours.

[phillymiket]

Most of those seem true. i disagree with a few, sort of.


Turn around and follow me after I've specifically waited for the swarm of blue dots to pick a direction and I've split off to do an optional.

I am old school in that i generally follow the star's lead.
If you want to solo an optional you should tell me otherwise i assume you want us together.


Running off by onesself is the universal signal meaning, "I can handle this."

uhuh. i see. LoL. Maybe G-land PuG scene is different. People run off by themselves for all sorts of reasons, sometimes it's because they can handle that, sometimes its because PuG.


When I have the star, stand around waiting for me to start the next quest.

Also, I'm old school here.
Star opens the quest unless the star specifically says go ahead and start.
I don't assume.


or maybe I'll just ninja pass it to someone who hasn't looted yet
Ha Ha.
I do this. all. the. time.
I'm so lazy.
I'll just flip a Raid item to someone I know will look in the chest and let them deal with putting it up for a roll.

My favorite is to switch an item to a person who is already trying to pawn off their own copy of that same item, so now they have two shards of the gem of many facets to find a home for.
:-D

[Oxarhamar]

Prep the Von pillars?

Seriously what year are you raiding in? Just drop them and be done with it.


When Your the only one trying to prep them everyone is waiting on you holding up your own groups well done.

You'd have much less problems if you adapted to the current methods there is a reason players use these instead of the outdated methods. Trying to in force your outdated method in a pug group is asking to over complicate things.

[cdbd3rd]

*Glances back n forth between the various rights & wrongs*...




http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/02/GIF-This-is-how-I-watch-tennis.gif





*Remembers why prefers to Solo these days*

:p

[Blackheartox]

People still prep pillars?
Is it just me and our server that on no matter what difficulty says just: Beat on it, no need to prep /from heroic normal to epic elite, always works, never fails

[Chi_Ryu]

People still prep pillars?

I might if majorly shortmanning Heroic VON6 (i.e. with only 3 or 4 people).

I struggle to prep a pillar in Epic with my Sorc, as a Max+Emp Disintegrate is a one shot :)

Over 90% of Epic VON6 I PUG do not prep the pillars, but just blast away.

[Kawai]

*Glances back n forth between the various rights & wrongs*...




http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/02/GIF-This-is-how-I-watch-tennis.gif





*Remembers why prefers to Solo these days*

:p

cheers @morning warm/fuzzy :)

[Kawai]

Thally, u forgot most important...



Wrong Way!
Right Way!


Ask Monk politely to quit chopping the air while standing at Auction House.
Apply gifts of Barkskin and Pumpkin-Head, and return to shopping in peace & quiet.



:) yw

[HernandoCortez]

The normal way and the zerging way.

[Loromir]

I'm gonna disagree about the VON5 fire jets....it is so easy just to drop down and pull again. I have no problem with folks pulling levers and running on up.

[Loromir]

People still prep pillars?
Is it just me and our server that on no matter what difficulty says just: Beat on it, no need to prep /from heroic normal to epic elite, always works, never fails

Agreed...it seems that groups who try to prep end badly more often than not.

[walkin_dude]

OP TL:DR

If you can't read my mind, you're wrong!

[Chai]

Theres the right way to do things, and the StrongsOnly® way to do things.

[Livmo]

http://i.imgur.com/Ig2wS0H.gif


https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7220/7285872244_4c2c164d5c_z.jpg

I wonder what kind of build JD would be in DDO?

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Nothing stands the test of time better than the quote in my sig.

[Uska]

Actually there a right way, a wrong way, and then there is the Army way which makes question the term military intelligence since intelligence is clearly not connected to the army way of doing things:)

[Thalone]

Actually there a right way, a wrong way, and then there is the Army way which makes question the term military intelligence since intelligence is clearly not connected to the army way of doing things:)

!!!

Re: VoN pillars. It's wonderful if you can solo a pillar. What if you're the only one who can and the other two bases are completely out of sync? Leader wanted to prep, most of the group wanted to prep, I absolutely know one guy was refusing to prep on my base, and there were times the DM text was indicating other bases were being taken down early. Why go five or six rounds instead of... one? I have actually wiped VoN 6 before on the pillar phase due to this.


I think the moment you start making the issue a List with a capital 'L' you're taking things too seriously

Was it not completely obvious from my tone and exclamation points!!! that I was making a lighthearted attempt to point out better ways of doing things? Believe me, if this stuff bothered me that much, I would never lead a PUG.


Yep Alpha order works for non raid loot or maybe I'll just ninja pass it to someone who hasn't looted yet
Oh gods, total chaos.
Maybe you need to do some learning on who's loot is who's and realize that what they do with it is thier business not yours.
I completely agree with this: if it's not in your name, you have no business caring about it. But random passing? It just causes so much drama!!!



I'll just flip a Raid item to someone I know will look in the chest and let them deal with putting it up for a roll.

My favorite is to switch an item to a person who is already trying to pawn off their own copy of that same item, so now they have two shards of the gem of many facets to find a home for.
:-D

...

This is what a fresh UI looks like:
http://i57.tinypic.com/2ah73pe.jpg
This is what my UI looks like:
http://i62.tinypic.com/f3yg5u.jpg
On my newer characters, I don't even have a loot tab; it's just irrelevant to me except, "Yay, raid loot actually dropped for once."

Is it not completely bleedingly obvious that the default chats are nowhere large enough and need an immediate resize? Which reminds me...



Wrong Way!
Right Way!



Use the default UI.
Ye gods, you can read anything in there? One hotbar's enough? /ui layout save and /ui layout load are your friends.



Use the default keymappings.
WASD largely wastes your pinky. Shift a column over to ESDF. On top of giving your pinky more to do, it shifts your index finger right and gives it another column of keys to access.



Send me a tell asking if you can join my LFM.
I put up the LFM so you could... click and join it. Almost all my LFMs will be labelled BYOH (it's pretty much my only requirement for any group), and there is absolutely no way I can tell if you qualify for this. So the only thing where I have any control is the level spread. If you send me a tell, I have to (1) check your level to see if you're being powerlevelled/too low level to physically enter the quest/messing up my BB; (2) send you a tell back depending on the result; (3) while I'm busy in a quest. If it's in your level range and you want to run it, feel free to click on it instead of making w**k for me.

[Lonnbeimnech]

Prep the Von pillars?

Seriously what year are you raiding in? Just drop them and be done with it.


When Your the only one trying to prep them everyone is waiting on you holding up your own groups well done.

You'd have much less problems if you adapted to the current methods there is a reason players use these instead of the outdated methods. Trying to in force your outdated method in a pug group is asking to over complicate things.

Agreed. With the amount of power creep over the past, what , 8 years, the pillars can be knocked down in 2 hits. In other words, they are already prepped.

Give the people going to base 2, 15 seconds to get there, then break the pillar. If it comes back break it again.

[FlameDiablo]

Totally agree with opoener and i would add:
Join in a favor run and ask for quest ------------> You know that you gain favor even with red box
Increase allert in quests too hard for you -------> Follow or stay at start if yu can't handle the quest
Go afk when party need to group ----------------> Choose the right moment to go afk
Wait leader to do anything -----------------------> Remember that you got a brain too
Cry and pretend to change quests and diff ------> Leave party is an option
Bother the party coz you died --------------------> If you die is your fault in 99% of cases

but don't forget that leader always must specify wich kind of party is: you can pretend when you require experienced, not just on casual party

[thakorian]

Making black and white distinctions as to what is the right way and what is the wrong way to do things is doing it wrong. Just assume the person you feel did things wrong in your perspective has to be informed of your way of doing things. There is no standard.

[Qhualor]

How do you see to play with so much junk on the screen? And the chat box is huge. If I have more than 5 hot bars I feel like I'm eliminating space to see up, down and to the sides. I only hot bar what I use and have 1 bar that I alternate on a quest by quest basis. My chat box is just big enough to see 5 lines at a time.

[Oxarhamar]

!!!

Re: VoN pillars. It's wonderful if you can solo a pillar. What if you're the only one who can and the other two bases are completely out of sync? Leader wanted to prep, most of the group wanted to prep, I absolutely know one guy was refusing to prep on my base, and there were times the DM text was indicating other bases were being taken down early. Why go five or six rounds instead of... one? I have actually wiped VoN 6 before on the pillar phase due to this]

You had a Von6 wipe because, you had players attempting to use 2 different methods at once to drop the pillars.

The prepers are actually the problem more parties fail due to lack of DPS control killing the pillars early while other just sit there waiting for the all preped command.

Just adapt to the superior method of dropping the pillars (repeatedly of needed ) as soon as base 2 has had time to get there.


Your pugging because, guild runs don't have this level of coordination problems. The drop pillars free for all method required less coordination. The less coordination between puggers the less room for error. Removing the margin for error is always better than trying to coordinate a bunch of pugs.

Even in guild runs with coordinated players using the no prep method has proven faster and to have less confusion or fails.

[Oxarhamar]

How do you see to play with so much junk on the screen? And the chat box is huge. If I have more than 5 hot bars I feel like I'm eliminating space to see up, down and to the sides. I only hot bar what I use and have 1 bar that I alternate on a quest by quest basis. My chat box is just big enough to see 5 lines at a time.

While I agree those chat boxes are too big (waste of space) how players function with 5 bars I'll never understand.

[walkin_dude]

While I agree those chat boxes are too big (waste of space) how players function with 5 bars I'll never understand.

I usually have 5-6 at the bottom with key combinations on them, and 1-2 up the right side for stances, spell components, stuff that doesn't require frequent interaction.

[Thalone]

Star opens the quest unless the star specifically says go ahead and start.


This seems to actually be working. I started asking people to start without me in today's session, and surprise surprise, a couple did. Of course, when I specifically asked the team to split up evenly for Dreams of Insanity, we somehow ended with the entire party on one side...


How do you see to play with so much junk on the screen? And the chat box is huge. If I have more than 5 hot bars I feel like I'm eliminating space to see up, down and to the sides. I only hot bar what I use and have 1 bar that I alternate on a quest by quest basis. My chat box is just big enough to see 5 lines at a time.

My chatbox is exactly large enough not to miss important party-related text. Instructions, DM text (Abbot calling Inferno, etc.), stuff up for roll. Any smaller and I would have to constantly scroll.

We've all memorised these quests by now, and know where the mobs are going to appear. I don't need to see what's at my feet; that's why the majority of my hotbars are at the bottom of the screen. I'm almost always in mouselook, so looking up/down/left/right is easy.

I don't know about you, but my internal clock isn't good enough to tell when my stuff is off timer, so it's got to be on screen. On a melee, I'll have tactical abilities, pots and scrolls of all sorts, weapon sets and armours for different situations. On casters, I'll have that plus spells. I could theoretically put weapon sets on 1-2 bars and hide them, since I don't need a visual to tell if they need restocking, but that's still largely 18 bars to display. Managing inventory from my bag is a no-go, due to the fact the stuff isn't going to stay in the same place in the bag from item swapping, and the bag interface is the size of more than 10 hotbars.


You had a Von6 wipe because, you had players attempting to use 2 different methods at once to drop the pillars.

The prepers are actually the problem more parties fail due to lack of DPS control killing the pillars early while other just sit there waiting for the all preped command.

Just adapt to the superior method of dropping the pillars (repeatedly of needed ) as soon as base 2 has had time to get there.


Your pugging because, guild runs don't have this level of coordination problems. The drop pillars free for all method required less coordination. The less coordination between puggers the less room for error. Removing the margin for error is always better than trying to coordinate a bunch of pugs.

Even in guild runs with coordinated players using the no prep method has proven faster and to have less confusion or fails.

Dunno if you read my explanation, but: it was heroic. Maybe my DPS is stupid low in heroics (50ish main damage would be generous), but in any case, I am one person. If two random people are whacking their pillars willy-nilly and completely out of synch for the required timing, I do not have enough personal control of the situation to do anything about it--it is mathematically impossible for me to "adapt" to the situation. The two out-of-sync people will always be out of sync and the third pillar is completely irrelevant at that point. The party leader (not me) wanted to prep, the party members typing wanted to prep, the two people whacking mindlessly only slowed us down with their "superior method." A one-round beating turned into five.

[Qhualor]

While I agree those chat boxes are too big (waste of space) how players function with 5 bars I'll never understand.

1 bar for potions like CSW, curse, disease, restore and other necessary ones. If I'm playing a class with umd also have raise dead/res and heal scrolls.

1 bar for feather fall, SF necklace along with the items that I switch out to use them. If playing a trapper also have trap gear. Also usually have PA, Iconic stance and fighting stance.

1 bar for enhancement and destiny. My barb actually would have 1 1/2 bars.

1 bar for weapons and for miscellaneous stuff that may not fit on the other bars that varies from life to life.

1 bar for spells if playing that kind of class, overflow of stuff that doesn't fit on other bars, overflow of enhancements, DW clicky, GH clicky, anything special I normally don't use in most quests but need to for certain ones.

I only hot bar what's needed. My slots are usually not empty and never saw the point in hot barring things I never use or rarely use. Never saw the point in having to see things like components and bags. These are all stuff you can view outside of quests when you log on/off to replenish supplies. That stuff is just using up necessary space on the screen to see.

[Inoukchuk]

1 bar for potions like CSW, curse, disease, restore and other necessary ones. If I'm playing a class with umd also have raise dead/res and heal scrolls.

1 bar for feather fall, SF necklace along with the items that I switch out to use them. If playing a trapper also have trap gear. Also usually have PA, Iconic stance and fighting stance.

1 bar for enhancement and destiny. My barb actually would have 1 1/2 bars.

1 bar for weapons and for miscellaneous stuff that may not fit on the other bars that varies from life to life.

1 bar for spells if playing that kind of class, overflow of stuff that doesn't fit on other bars, overflow of enhancements, DW clicky, GH clicky, anything special I normally don't use in most quests but need to for certain ones.

I only hot bar what's needed. My slots are usually not empty and never saw the point in hot barring things I never use or rarely use. Never saw the point in having to see things like components and bags. These are all stuff you can view outside of quests when you log on/off to replenish supplies. That stuff is just using up necessary space on the screen to see.


Mine doesn't seem different, and yet I have like 12 bars in use. 1 bar for activated combat abilities/spells (2 if spells). 1 bar usually just for buffs (2 if a real caster sometimes). If not a caster, 1 bar just for weapon sets. 1 for potions/scrolls. 1 or 2 I usually reserve for little touched abilities that if I need I don't want to search for (sneak, search, meta-magics, stances, water breathing, etc). Then I think I have 4 ish for item swaps, mostly for clickie effects or situational use items (trapping swaps, PLIS, SP item swaps, SP clickies, etc. Often I have 1 just for ED abilities. One downside to online vs PnP is it can be prohibitively cumbersome to use 20 or 30 spells/special attacks. Try using everything available to a centered kensei in dreadnaught some time.... all the elemental attacks, finishers, cleave/GC/LW/MS, stunning blow, manyshot, haste boost, damage boost, healing (cocoon), etc. Someone that can micromanage all these timed effects and find the attack that they need at the moment they need it while simultaneously watching opponents and HP bar will be twice the player I am, sad to say.

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

Mine doesn't seem different, and yet I have like 12 bars in use. 1 bar for activated combat abilities/spells (2 if spells). 1 bar usually just for buffs (2 if a real caster sometimes). If not a caster, 1 bar just for weapon sets. 1 for potions/scrolls. 1 or 2 I usually reserve for little touched abilities that if I need I don't want to search for (sneak, search, meta-magics, stances, water breathing, etc). Then I think I have 4 ish for item swaps, mostly for clickie effects or situational use items (trapping swaps, PLIS, SP item swaps, SP clickies, etc. Often I have 1 just for ED abilities. One downside to online vs PnP is it can be prohibitively cumbersome to use 20 or 30 spells/special attacks. Try using everything available to a centered kensei in dreadnaught some time.... all the elemental attacks, finishers, cleave/GC/LW/MS, stunning blow, manyshot, haste boost, damage boost, healing (cocoon), etc. Someone that can micromanage all these timed effects and find the attack that they need at the moment they need it while simultaneously watching opponents and HP bar will be twice the player I am, sad to say.

Mine's not far off:
-3 at left above the chat box; top is heals/cure pots/status pots from right to left, bottom two are swap gear/clickies, buffs/trapgear, and pet summon

-top 2 bars at right are for melee tactics/monk fists/boosts or offensive spells on a caster
-2 bars underneath those for utility stuff, stance toggles, situational buffs and anything extra
-1 or 2 bars underneath are for weapons, or components/other spells on a caster

I use this setup regardless of class; I try to keep it as minimal as I can. I can't use hotkeys worth a ****, so keeping combat stuff in the top right area, (with SLAs and things like cleave in a row from left to right) and healing at the top left works fine.

[BOgre]

Was it not completely obvious from my tone and exclamation points!!! that I was making a lighthearted attempt to point out better ways of doing things? Believe me, if this stuff bothered me that much, I would never lead a PUG.


No, it wasn't completely obvious. Glad to hear it's all in fun :)





Wrong Way!
Right Way!


Use the default keymappings.
WASD largely wastes your pinky. Shift a column over to ESDF. On top of giving your pinky more to do, it shifts your index finger right and gives it another column of keys to access.




OMGosh, that's awesome. I FULLY agree. So much so that it was the subject of my very first MyDDO post (which eventually moved to WordPress...) Here's a LINK. WASD blows. (https://bogresmyddo.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/out-with-wasd-in-with-sdfc/)


This seems to actually be working. I started asking people to start without me in today's session, and surprise surprise, a couple did.

Nice.

[Hobgoblin]

this is the wrong way


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9113Tmg4brY

[Oxarhamar]

1 bar for potions like CSW, curse, disease, restore and other necessary ones. If I'm playing a class with umd also have raise dead/res and heal scrolls.

1 bar for feather fall, SF necklace along with the items that I switch out to use them. If playing a trapper also have trap gear. Also usually have PA, Iconic stance and fighting stance.

1 bar for enhancement and destiny. My barb actually would have 1 1/2 bars.

1 bar for weapons and for miscellaneous stuff that may not fit on the other bars that varies from life to life.

1 bar for spells if playing that kind of class, overflow of stuff that doesn't fit on other bars, overflow of enhancements, DW clicky, GH clicky, anything special I normally don't use in most quests but need to for certain ones.

I only hot bar what's needed. My slots are usually not empty and never saw the point in hot barring things I never use or rarely use. Never saw the point in having to see things like components and bags. These are all stuff you can view outside of quests when you log on/off to replenish supplies. That stuff is just using up necessary space on the screen to see.


Still using CSW?

not enough bars. rarely used items get bars too for those rare instances they need to be used no need to search for them in inventory.

components get barred in order to avert running out midquest by having them in the HUD. those are all things you never need to view outside of quest or replenish when you log out or in. HUD lets you know when to restock no need to every check. this applies to scrolls pots etc...

Swap items situational gear main gear all goes on bars so there is never a reason to open your inventory when questing.

active, feats, spells, toggles, skills, bleh 5 bars is not enough.

[Qhualor]

Still using CSW?

not enough bars. rarely used items get bars too for those rare instances they need to be used no need to search for them in inventory.

components get barred in order to avert running out midquest by having them in the HUD. those are all things you never need to view outside of quest or replenish when you log out or in. HUD lets you know when to restock no need to every check. this applies to scrolls pots etc...

Swap items situational gear main gear all goes on bars so there is never a reason to open your inventory when questing.

active, feats, spells, toggles, skills, bleh 5 bars is not enough.

Yeah I am. Got a problem with me using a healing resource?

I organize my bags so I know what tab has what. Tab 1 for weapons and armor. Tab 2 for consumables. Tab 3 for clickies and swappable items. Last tab for bags, components and miscellaneous. No search required. When I run a quest that I know I need to pull out something I rarely use, before entering quest I bring up my pack, select tab, drag item to bar. Done.

I suggest buying 1000 of each component. I literally don't even use half when I play ranger or paladin per life.

[Oxarhamar]

Yeah I am. Got a problem with me using a healing resource?

I organize my bags so I know what tab has what. Tab 1 for weapons and armor. Tab 2 for consumables. Tab 3 for clickies and swappable items. Last tab for bags, components and miscellaneous. No search required. When I run a quest that I know I need to pull out something I rarely use, before entering quest I bring up my pack, select tab, drag item to bar. Done.

I suggest buying 1000 of each component. I literally don't even use half when I play ranger or paladin per life.

there are much better resources available than CSW just seams like a waste of bar if your going to use so few.


Why are you opening your bag at all when all those things could be on your bars.


Lets focus on this bit "When I run a quest that I know I need to pull out something I rarely use, before entering quest I bring up my pack, select tab, drag item to bar. Done" instead just drag all items onto bar to begin with done no stopping for special items before a quest everything is at your fingertips.


oh the 1000 components you don't use on your ranger/paladin life try that on a class that actually uses their components.

[Gremmlynn]

The wrong way: PUG

The right way: Anything else.

Having any sort of expectations when grouping with random people is just unrealistic.

[Gremmlynn]

Mine doesn't seem different, and yet I have like 12 bars in use. 1 bar for activated combat abilities/spells (2 if spells). 1 bar usually just for buffs (2 if a real caster sometimes). If not a caster, 1 bar just for weapon sets. 1 for potions/scrolls. 1 or 2 I usually reserve for little touched abilities that if I need I don't want to search for (sneak, search, meta-magics, stances, water breathing, etc). Then I think I have 4 ish for item swaps, mostly for clickie effects or situational use items (trapping swaps, PLIS, SP item swaps, SP clickies, etc. Often I have 1 just for ED abilities. One downside to online vs PnP is it can be prohibitively cumbersome to use 20 or 30 spells/special attacks. Try using everything available to a centered kensei in dreadnaught some time.... all the elemental attacks, finishers, cleave/GC/LW/MS, stunning blow, manyshot, haste boost, damage boost, healing (cocoon), etc. Someone that can micromanage all these timed effects and find the attack that they need at the moment they need it while simultaneously watching opponents and HP bar will be twice the player I am, sad to say.This sounds like me, except I don't put all those bars up on the screen. Bars 1 and 10 on screen with bar 10 keyed to number pad. Bars 2-9 are ctr+bar# to get to, bars over 10 hold stuff I'm not likely to use at all. I don't need long term buffs up on my screen except when buffing for example.

[bruener]

Wrong Way!
Right Way!


Treasure chest! "Does anyone need X?" After which we sit dumbly waiting for everyone to answer.
Link X, stick "roll d<something>" into party chat. Pass to winner or loot if no response in 10 seconds.


Join my party and ask, "Have you started yet?"
Look at my LFM. If there is an "Adventure Active: x minutes" on it, I have started!


Turn around and follow me after I've specifically waited for the swarm of blue dots to pick a direction and I've split off to do an optional.
Running off by onesself is the universal signal meaning, "I can handle this." In rare cases, this may end in tears... but many quests can be finished more efficiently by splitting.



Run off from quest objective levers before getting confirmation they were completed.
VoN 5 fire jet, I'm looking at you! Stay and wait for the ladders to come down; it'll save you running after.



Keep beating on the VoN pillars, despite being told not to.
We've all been in this party. Can we please wait for the pillars to be prepped? It should be obvious when chat is filled with nothing but reports of which bases are prepped and people are telling you not to attack...




Ask what quest is next, after I've typed what's next in party chat.
Read party chat. I put lots of useful info in there!



Ask what quest is next, after I've typed what's next in party chat, and told the first guy who asked to read party chat.
Yes, this happens frighteningly often!



When I have the star, stand around waiting for me to start the next quest.
If you were in the previous quest with me, you already know from observation that once I've finished a quest, I'll immediately start the next, barring a slight break to repair or sell. You don't have to wait for me... enter and goooo!



Ask for a share on quests that you XP farm in epic levels.
Once you turn in, immediately talk to the NPC to retake the quest. Then you are ready for tomorrow!



Tell me to convert to a raid, when it's obvious I can't.
If you're smart enough to notice the LFM went down with six people, you're smart enough to mouseover the LFM when you joined to see that people were still in a quest and I couldn't convert. Give them a chance to recall so I actually can convert.



Tell me to convert to a raid, after I've explained to the first guy why I can't.
...



Quit the party after you can't find the quest entrance. After I've asked in party chat if you can find the way before I start. Twice.
I dunno, accept my offer of help?



Join a BYOH group and have no way to heal yourself.
Yes, this old chestnut.




What else are people doing wrong on the Internet?

wrong way.......group with people who tell me how to play the game I pay for

right way.........solo or find people to group with that are easy going and realize this is just a game after all

[Qhualor]

there are much better resources available than CSW just seams like a waste of bar if your going to use so few.


Why are you opening your bag at all when all those things could be on your bars.


Lets focus on this bit "When I run a quest that I know I need to pull out something I rarely use, before entering quest I bring up my pack, select tab, drag item to bar. Done" instead just drag all items onto bar to begin with done no stopping for special items before a quest everything is at your fingertips.


oh the 1000 components you don't use on your ranger/paladin life try that on a class that actually uses their components.

Until I hit level 20 I use CSW pots. After that I'm using Cocoon and heal scrolls. On a ranger/paladin life I'm not using pots. On a barb and fighter life I use CSW and SF pots. You must be thinking I'm playing a barbarian in epic levels like the one from the video where I didn't have SF favor unlocked on Lama? Yeah he's a level 24 rogue on live right now. I'm still doing past lives on my characters.

Why clutter my screen with more bars that are filled with stuff I don't need to see or use rarely depending on the quest. There's already enough clutter with the buff bar, focus orb, xp bar, chat box, party UI. The more I can see the screen and my surroundings the better. It takes me all of 5 seconds to hot bar something I may need in 1 quest and might not use again for a long while.

Still 1000 components should be lasting you for more than 1 play session. Just check how much you have left when you log on/off and if you need more go to the vendor. You can't possibly be using 1000 components in 1 quest or even 2 or 3 to have to have it taking up screen space. I've never heard of anybody going through them that quickly.

[Oxarhamar]

Until I hit level 20 I use CSW pots. After that I'm using Cocoon and heal scrolls. On a ranger/paladin life I'm not using pots. On a barb and fighter life I use CSW and SF pots. You must be thinking I'm playing a barbarian in epic levels like the one from the video where I didn't have SF favor unlocked on Lama? Yeah he's a level 24 rogue on live right now. I'm still doing past lives on my characters.

Why clutter my screen with more bars that are filled with stuff I don't need to see or use rarely depending on the quest. There's already enough clutter with the buff bar, focus orb, xp bar, chat box, party UI. The more I can see the screen and my surroundings the better. It takes me all of 5 seconds to hot bar something I may need in 1 quest and might not use again for a long while.

Still 1000 components should be lasting you for more than 1 play session. Just check how much you have left when you log on/off and if you need more go to the vendor. You can't possibly be using 1000 components in 1 quest or even 2 or 3 to have to have it taking up screen space. I've never heard of anybody going through them that quickly.



Why are you wasting those 5 seconds when it could be available full time?

Why are you checking your components @ end or start of play session when they could be in the HUD and never need to be checked thanks to always knowing exactly how many you have?

Seams to me your over complicating your play sessions with checks, balances, storage management solutions to keep a few extra pixels of screen visible.

[Qhualor]

Why are you wasting those 5 seconds when it could be available full time?

Why are you checking your components @ end or start of play session when they could be in the HUD and never need to be checked thanks to always knowing exactly how many you have?

Seams to me your over complicating your play sessions with checks, balances, storage management solutions to keep a few extra pixels of screen visible.

Because wasting 5 seconds that I can do while running to the quest is better than a cluttered screen.

Because it takes 5 seconds to look and I can do that while I go to the vendors to replenish supplies, check mail, stand around talking to people, check AH, DD, doing whatever. Its the first thing I do when I log on and last thing I do when I log off. That way there is no excuse to run to vendors while I'm trying to play.

I would say you are overcomplicating things, but its your toon and screen. 5 seconds is apparently too much time for you to spend to look when you log off/on the game. Being able to see as much on my screen as possible is more important to me than 5 seconds to check supplies.

[RoguemcStabby]

1. Ask for a share when the quest giver is also the quest entrance OR it's a walkup.

[kismetbuy]

Yep Krystal Burger is going out of business here in Florida. So i guess they were doing it the wrong way.

Shame they had some mighty tasty expensive burgers.

[Oxarhamar]

Because wasting 5 seconds that I can do while running to the quest is better than a cluttered screen.

Because it takes 5 seconds to look and I can do that while I go to the vendors to replenish supplies, check mail, stand around talking to people, check AH, DD, doing whatever. Its the first thing I do when I log on and last thing I do when I log off. That way there is no excuse to run to vendors while I'm trying to play.

I would say you are overcomplicating things, but its your toon and screen. 5 seconds is apparently too much time for you to spend to look when you log off/on the game. Being able to see as much on my screen as possible is more important to me than 5 seconds to check supplies.

Yes I perfer all things acessable at all times, all items in the HUD never needing 5 seconds to check.

Questing can begin instantaneously and continue uninterrupted.

But, I perfer not digging around in bags or tabs for things I want them on tap.

[Livmo]

Having any sort of expectations when grouping with random people is just unrealistic.

Well typed!

[LrdSlvrhnd]

Why are you wasting those 5 seconds when it could be available full time?

Why are you checking your components @ end or start of play session when they could be in the HUD and never need to be checked thanks to always knowing exactly how many you have?

Seams to me your over complicating your play sessions with checks, balances, storage management solutions to keep a few extra pixels of screen visible.

Why are you wasting your time telling somebody how to play his game? And remember, not everybody plays with a large screen - on a 15" laptop (which is what I play on), screen real estate is VALUABLE.

Let him play how he wants. And vice versa. Minimal hotbars, CSW, however.

[bsquishwizzy]

Why are you wasting those 5 seconds when it could be available full time?

Why are you checking your components @ end or start of play session when they could be in the HUD and never need to be checked thanks to always knowing exactly how many you have?

Seams to me your over complicating your play sessions with checks, balances, storage management solutions to keep a few extra pixels of screen visible.

Just a question:

i there something that you're doing in DDO, like saving the world, throwing a life preserver to a drowning man where that 5 seconds you save is oh so essential that it must not be wasted?

It's five-frickin'-seconds. You spent more then that criticizing the waste of that five seconds, which also was a MONUMENTAL WASTE OF THAT PRECIOUS TIME. Unless you've GOT to fit that five seconds into your playing session because in doing so it'll create a lasting peace in the Middle East, my thought is that you need to take a chill-pill, and get off someone's case about taking five seconds of their time to check the level of their components.

I run with 300 components per stack on my casters. I can go for a couple of days before actually needed to refill. So that's maybe a whole fifteen seconds wasted out of my life...which is wasted playing a stupid video game. I guess I could be rescuing kittens from trees, discovering a cure for cancer, scraping gum from the sidewalk, or hosing down my driveway with a seltzer bottle with that time, and still consider it less wasted then playing a stupid online video game.

Tell me, do some of you have so few priorities in life where you are in a mouth-breathing hysteria over putting your components in hotbars so you don't waste some five seconds of your life checking your toon's inventory? If so...wow! Just, wow!

[Oxarhamar]

Just a question:

i there something that you're doing in DDO, like saving the world, throwing a life preserver to a drowning man where that 5 seconds you save is oh so essential that it must not be wasted?

It's five-frickin'-seconds. You spent more then that criticizing the waste of that five seconds, which also was a MONUMENTAL WASTE OF THAT PRECIOUS TIME. Unless you've GOT to fit that five seconds into your playing session because in doing so it'll create a lasting peace in the Middle East, my thought is that you need to take a chill-pill, and get off someone's case about taking five seconds of their time to check the level of their components.

I run with 300 components per stack on my casters. I can go for a couple of days before actually needed to refill. So that's maybe a whole fifteen seconds wasted out of my life...which is wasted playing a stupid video game. I guess I could be rescuing kittens from trees, discovering a cure for cancer, scraping gum from the sidewalk, or hosing down my driveway with a seltzer bottle with that time, and still consider it less wasted then playing a stupid online video game.

Tell me, do some of you have so few priorities in life where you are in a mouth-breathing hysteria over putting your components in hotbars so you don't waste some five seconds of your life checking your toon's inventory? If so...wow! Just, wow!

Simple efficiency allows greater playtime and less inventory managemt time during play sessions.

It's ok if you or other want to play inventory management I do not.

As for posting being a waste of time it's not coming out of my playtime. Same can be said about your having wasted your time replying.

[Oxarhamar]

Why are you wasting your time telling somebody how to play his game? And remember, not everybody plays with a large screen - on a 15" laptop (which is what I play on), screen real estate is VALUABLE.

Let him play how he wants. And vice versa. Minimal hotbars, CSW, however.

I game on a 17.3" Most of the time so just imagine dedicating the extra space to bars leaving ~15 inches.

Though for a while I was playing on a 42" HDTV @ that size the distance you must sit from it to play (~6-8 feet) makes reading the chat a pain.

I mainly moved to the laptop for portability when I was away from home often then I just stayed there.


Sure play however you like doesn't bother me. I simply gave my oppinion that 5 is not enough bars.

[Grandern_Marn]

Lots of non verbal communication going on in the OPs list. If you pug you need to expect that people are not going to be up on what may be second nature for veterans on zerg runs. If communicating with the team is not preferable then running with guildies or friends who subscribe to a set of communal rules is the best way to go.

[Kawai]

really wanna save time, u goobers?
HOTKEY that stuff!
memorize them.
20 bars
10 slots.
(minus how many u feel u need on screen)

hotBAR only things w/timers OR things u HAVE 2c

sidenote: ever turn off the UI completely?
game is beautiful.

[Livmo]

sidenote: ever turn off the UI completely?
game is beautiful.

I love playing with the UI off. I have all the stuff I really , really need, on # keys 1-5 using bar one. I run 10 hot bars usually. Since champs came into the mix I'm a little wary about not seeing the health bar, but still run with the UI off for short periods. Someday I will get around to re-assigning the run arm from alt since it interferes with alt+z (toggle UI on and off).

[bsquishwizzy]

Simple efficiency allows greater playtime and less inventory managemt time during play sessions.

It's ok if you or other want to play inventory management I do not.

As for posting being a waste of time it's not coming out of my playtime. Same can be said about your having wasted your time replying.

Yeah, you're not getting off that easy.

This isn't about "simple" efficiency. This is about undue criticism. Five seconds in the Great Scheme of Things is nothing. It's a quarter of the recommended time you need to wash your hands. It's about half of the time it takes to transition between one area to the next. It's maybe taking out 2 mobs if you can guarantee one-shot kills. And to get all hypersensitive and critical for someone over that is pathetic, if not bordering on being questionably obsessive.

No sane person is going to get all upset because they were 5 seconds late to dinner, or 5 seconds late to bed. That's just plain nuts.

As is your advice.

Do yourself (and maybe the rest of us) a favor: take 5 seconds out of your play time to do something OTHER than play the game. Talk to your spouse / kid(s) / significant other / pet / imaginary friend, smell some flowers, muse about baking some cookies, enjoy a small slice of toasted brie, ponder the beauty of a cold, snowy, winter day, contemplate your navel, watch a snippet of a commercial, read an e-mail to yourself, or something along those lines. Because most normal people don't try to squeeze every available ounce out of their playtime in DDO with such ruthless efficiency, and then criticize others for not doing so. Not everyone playing this game uses one of those attachable devices that long-haul drivers use to avoid rest stops.

Just sayin'...maybe you're a little too wound up in this game.

[Oxarhamar]

Yeah, you're not getting off that easy.

This isn't about "simple" efficiency. This is about undue criticism. Five seconds in the Great Scheme of Things is nothing. It's a quarter of the recommended time you need to wash your hands. It's about half of the time it takes to transition between one area to the next. It's maybe taking out 2 mobs if you can guarantee one-shot kills. And to get all hypersensitive and critical for someone over that is pathetic, if not bordering on being questionably obsessive.

No sane person is going to get all upset because they were 5 seconds late to dinner, or 5 seconds late to bed. That's just plain nuts.

As is your advice.

Do yourself (and maybe the rest of us) a favor: take 5 seconds out of your play time to do something OTHER than play the game. Talk to your spouse / kid(s) / significant other / pet / imaginary friend, smell some flowers, muse about baking some cookies, enjoy a small slice of toasted brie, ponder the beauty of a cold, snowy, winter day, contemplate your navel, watch a snippet of a commercial, read an e-mail to yourself, or something along those lines. Because most normal people don't try to squeeze every available ounce out of their playtime in DDO with such ruthless efficiency, and then criticize others for not doing so. Not everyone playing this game uses one of those attachable devices that long-haul drivers use to avoid rest stops.

Just sayin'...maybe you're a little too wound up in this game.


Thanks for your concern but, I play when my family is sleeping. I might enjoy a buttered crumpet while playing but, my playtime is about questing not about playing banker or inventory management.

Those 5 seconds add up only 20 times going digging for an item that could be barred or double checking your ingredients is 1 minute.

It's probably just my playstyle but, When the groups static groups I've TRed with move very fast not stopping to hit the bank just grab what you need for leveled 1-12 out the bank immediately then not return till half way through or even bother with the old school ship buffs outside of XP shrine as those buffs were never needed and once an hour collecting them all turns into a huge time sink over time.

Fine if that's what you or others want to do though it's just an oppinion agree or disagree 5 bars is not enough for me.
8 bars in 2 stacks of 4 horizontally side by side at the bottom & a few vertical bars to the right. A place for everything at all times including random quest items like shards from Spinners (to keep count) or torches from challenges. When those quests are run there is no preparation as your bars are ready full time.

[Qhualor]

no need to dig through your inventory if you categorize them in each tab. as i mentioned earlier in the thread...

tab 1 weapons, armor

tab 2 potions, scrolls

tab 3 swappable items, clickies, haggle gear, etc

last tab green/blue/red bag, commendations, components

if you know where everything is and its in their proper tab its real easy to find and no need to rummage through your pack looking for stuff. its your prerogative if your prefer unnecessary hotbars filled with stuff you rarely use cluttering the screen and having a disorganized pack. its my prerogative to save screen space to see more of the screen and take the 5 seconds after logging into the game to double check supplies before i start my day of playing. and yes, even if i played on a 52" screen TV i would still do the same thing. ill happily waste that 5 seconds per day.

[Oxarhamar]

no need to dig through your inventory if you categorize them in each tab. as i mentioned earlier in the thread...

tab 1 weapons, armor

tab 2 potions, scrolls

tab 3 swappable items, clickies, haggle gear, etc

last tab green/blue/red bag, commendations, components

if you know where everything is and its in their proper tab its real easy to find and no need to rummage through your pack looking for stuff. its your prerogative if your prefer unnecessary hotbars filled with stuff you rarely use cluttering the screen and having a disorganized pack. its my prerogative to save screen space to see more of the screen and take the 5 seconds after logging into the game to double check supplies before i start my day of playing. and yes, even if i played on a 52" screen TV i would still do the same thing. ill happily waste that 5 seconds per day.

And that's all you.

For me it'll be on a bar & never open the inventory once it's there.

[Enoach]

I think everyone has there different ways of tracking stuff in their inventory.

Example:

I actually organize my pack so that the LAST tabs have my items like consumables (spell components and the like) leaving the first tab open for newly looted items. I do this because when you open your inventory in pack page view it generally opens each session to the first tab.

Next, once every two weeks I empty my collectable/ingredients bags to my shared bank. I only have 6 characters and doing this takes about 30 minutes of my time every two weeks. At this time I also refill spell components and arrows such as house D sturdy arrows. Even my none range combat characters have at least 1000 arrows.

I also never hunt backpack tabs for items, instead I switch to the search view and use the filters be it going to a type selection or simply typing in the name on the search bar.

I do put quest items like the mirror from mirror darkly or the shards from spinner of shadow or torches and such for challenges on a hotbar. Most of my characters the bar spinner tab is a bar that is reserved for specific tasks such as one set for challenges (torches and even runes), or specific quests to keep track of quest specific items that are in packs. The primary bars are separated from the spinner and I make use of the control+Number to go between some bar.

Everyone has their own style and perceive the time differently. My method works for me because I have 6 characters that I switch between regularly and sometimes I get enough time between tasks that it is not enough to quest but enough to manage my characters inventory. This is why it works for me. But I would imagine someone with more alts than me might find this more of an issue to do inventory management once every two weeks.

[Eth]

1. Its amazing how many people actually don't know how to roll.


Roll D100 high?

No problem, /roll d2+98
Win every time ;)