Prime example

[walkin_dude]

Lord knows I often find myself wondering why on earth people complain about some of the things that I read here on the forums, but one of the issues that I believe needs some serious improvement is the attitude of the players.

Case in point: I join the lfm of a guy, we'll call him T, which said only "epic orchard". I'm in GH, so I start running toward House P. I'm almost at the entrance to the orchard and I ask "you doing s/r/e or quests?" in party chat. I asked it only so I'd know what to expect, and I've joined similarly-worded lfms before thinking it'd be s/r/e and the party was doing the quests.

Next thing: ding, "T" dismissed you from the party.

The kind of move that is starts with a "d" and it's no wonder players would rather not group when people are going to act like that.

Anyway, there's my tantrum for the day. Thanks for wasting my time, "T".

[Kawai]

jerks will b jerks :(

[Tscheuss]

Should have entered Orchard first, then asked the question. :)

[Dragavon]

In today's game any LFM for "epic orchard" would mean all 4 quests for named items and chain completion.

But dismissing like that is plain rude.

[axel15810]

You should be happy, that's obviously a person who will be no fun to play with. He weeded himself out for you. Put him on your squelch list.

[walkin_dude]

You should be happy, that's obviously a person who will be no fun to play with. He weeded himself out for you. Put him on your squelch list.

In fact I did. First person ever on it.

[Dreppo]

Haven't read the thread, but: 2.

Also: 3.

[Hobgoblin]

as well as 13

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Yep. Lots of people with bad attitudes in this game lately.
Seems to be getting worse, and I see more and more going over to the dark side. :(




Should have entered Orchard first, then asked the question. :)

Nah.... even though it gives the jerk the satisfaction of getting to boot someone, he is still better off not grouping with him IMO.
(although would have been better if he could somehow have been in the Orchard, and known the guy was trying to boot him or otherwise be a jerk... and then leave group himself. Always best when you are the one who gets to call the shots and/or make the statement.)

[Tscheuss]

Yep. Lots of people with bad attitudes in this game lately.
Seems to be getting worse, and I see more and more going over to the dark side. :(





Nah.... even though it gives the jerk the satisfaction of getting to boot someone, he is still better off not grouping with him IMO.
(although would have been better if he could somehow have been in the Orchard, and known the guy was trying to boot him or otherwise be a jerk... and then leave group himself. Always best when you are the one who gets to call the shots and/or make the statement.)

May have been decent players in group with PL, but entering Orchard first would have shown whether blue dots were playing in the wilderness; the absence of blue dots may have indicated questing. Also, LFM board shows more info than many players think to look for. Either way, being in a private instance would have inhibited a knee-jerk response by the PL.

[phillymiket]

Should have entered Orchard first, then asked the question. :)

I could see if you wanted to know if you should grab a Anti-Beholder item or something while you were near the ship entrance that you'd ask while still in a public area.

But mostly I agree with 6 about 2 and also you 3.

I have no idea what 7 is talking about with 13 but 8 is usually right about everything so I'll go with 8.

[waryJerry]

Gamers--or a lot of them anyway--tend to be snot-nosed jerks with a sense of entitlement, agreed. Now what exactly can you or Turbine or the thought police or Santa Clause do about it?

[walkin_dude]

Gamers--or a lot of them anyway--tend to be snot-nosed jerks with a sense of entitlement, agreed. Now what exactly can you or Turbine or the thought police or Santa Clause do about it?

Not a thing. Just be a little sad about it I guess.

[Thalone]

I consider myself fairly quiet and antisocial, but some people in this game put me to shame. I'll typically say hello when I join a group or accept an applicant, and let them know what quest we're in in case I forgot to update the LFM or the quest just finished. Lots of people won't bother saying anything back and will outright ignore simple questions or directions in quests where a little direction is needed. Or we're at the end of a quest and someone joins late, so I'll ask them how soon they can get there or if they need the completion and there's complete silence.

There was one fellow several lives back who was stalking my LFMs and literally did not say or type a word no matter what I typed, until he died and started cursing. I'd thought he was autistic or maybe not English-speaking until then. He was certainly fluent in English swear words.

And don't get me started on people who ignore party applications, letting them just hang...

Anyway, if I even have a point, it takes only a little effort to post "SRE" or the quest name you're doing or to answer a question if your posting isn't clear. If that party leader was that rude, you probably dodged a bullet in that you wouldn't have had a good time in that group anyway.

[Singular]

Yeah, people described above suck. Let's be generous and assume someone snuck cayenne pepper into his coffee, which he accidentally snorted and was spasming in pain, thrashing around he mistakenly hit the button for dismiss and then kicked his computer over before clawing at the ground, trying to reach a sink.

See? He didn't do it on purpose.

[bartharok]

Yeah, people described above suck. Let's be generous and assume someone snuck cayenne pepper into his coffee, which he accidentally snorted and was spasming in pain, thrashing around he mistakenly hit the button for dismiss and then kicked his computer over before clawing at the ground, trying to reach a sink.

See? He didn't do it on purpose.

MAybe he snorted the cayenne on purpose to cause this chain of events, so that he would seem innocent of purposeful nastiness.

See, hes evil AND devious.

[Tscheuss]

MAybe he snorted the cayenne on purpose to cause this chain of events, so that he would seem innocent of purposeful nastiness.

See, hes evil AND devious.

Wrong!!!

I am devious, and I have the bonus to prove it. :p

[BDog77]

But mostly I agree with 6 about 2 and also you 3.

I have no idea what 7 is talking about with 13 but 8 is usually right about everything so I'll go with 8.

6 is not at all right, neither is 8, but 2, 3, 7, and 13 are fine.

[Eth]

Forum drama is so weak nowadays. Is the best what we have now? :(

[Singular]

MAybe he snorted the cayenne on purpose to cause this chain of events, so that he would seem innocent of purposeful nastiness.

See, hes evil AND devious.

True - it's possible he dropped his coke into the cayenne pepper, then snorted it purposefully to cause the chain of events that led to the OP's being booted with prejudice.

That, and the OP was seen with the lfm poster's wife...

It was revenge!

[LightBear]

http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/mr-t-says-shut-up-fool.png

[Kawai]

Gamers--or a lot of them anyway--tend to be snot-nosed jerks with a sense of entitlement, agreed. Now what exactly can you or Turbine or the thought police or Santa Clause do about it?

dunno about de Thought Police...
but dun mess w/ Santa!

srsly

like totally less than month away... and u wanna mess with HIM?

screw that. i like meh prezzies.

[Blackheartox]

I honestly doubt thats what happend.
Lets assume it did. Just assume.

What you could had done was to simply hover over the lfm and check where he is.
Help yourself before blaming others.

[Erdrique]

Unfortunately attitudes that the opening poster described still exist and this just adds to the issues and concerns there are for the lack of groups being put into the LFM panel and for the lack of groups getting filled. Would it have been that hard to pass on what quest the party leader was planning on doing or if the party leader was just planning on doing the s/r/e?

Oh well, maybe the leader was just having a bad day or something.

[walkin_dude]

I honestly doubt thats what happend.
Lets assume it did. Just assume.

What you could had done was to simply hover over the lfm and check where he is.
Help yourself before blaming others.

Matter of fact, I did hover over the lfm. When I did, some players were in the orchard and others had not yet made it there.

My question was just so that I would know what the plan was, since the lfm itself and the current locations of the players didn't provide illumination.

JFTR, I am one of those guys who posts lfms with "all welcome" and "no zerg" in them all the time. I like to group better than to solo, and this unfriendly person isn't going to change that.

And to the Mr. T guy, I pity the fool!

edit: @blackheartox - what I described in the OP was exactly, word-for-word what happened. Why on earth would you go around accusing people of lying?

[cdbd3rd]

Forum drama is so weak nowadays. Is the best what we have now? :(


It's not officially the weekend yet. Give it a few hours. ;)




dunno about de Thought Police...
but dun mess w/ Santa!

srsly

like totally less than month away... and u wanna mess with HIM?

screw that. i like meh prezzies.

Erm...

*Glances at calendar*

*Decides to poke fun.*

I know xmas is getting earlier and earlier every year, but is he delivering our Tgiving turkeys now? :p

[Draksel]

I've had people drop my group after I ask for a ship invite. Made me a little angry until I found that when you right click the party members icon, the "Invite to Airship" and "Leave Party" selections are right next to each other. I had to accidentally click the wrong option before even realizing this poor UI menu.

[Kawai]

It's not officially the weekend yet. Give it a few hours. ;)





Erm...

*Glances at calendar*

*Decides to poke fun.*

I know xmas is getting earlier and earlier every year, but is he delivering our Tgiving turkeys now? :p


yes, actually.
blame economy :(
he's working two jobs now :)

[Tscheuss]

yes, actually.
blame economy :(
he's working two jobs now :)

It's just a cover while he does recon for the Naughty/Nice list. :)

[bennyson]

edit: @blackheartox - what I described in the OP was exactly, word-for-word what happened. Why on earth would you go around accusing people of lying?

As far as I known him through his posts, he's like that.

ignore it.

[Buffyanne]

It was really rude to kick you for asking that question, but the XP grind mentality of eTR slowly forces players into that mindset. Those familiar with the routine know an LFM von/spies/wiz know that it will be a loose collaboration of mercenaries running thru as fast as possible. For the Necro epics its the same thing, most people will post one quests and not change the LFM moving thru them as fast as possible to get an item chain end reward. You are better off joining an EE group if you actually want some semblance of cooperation and pacing.

[Livmo]

Unfortunately attitudes that the opening poster described still exist and this just adds to the issues and concerns there are for the lack of groups being put into the LFM panel and for the lack of groups getting filled. Would it have been that hard to pass on what quest the party leader was planning on doing or if the party leader was just planning on doing the s/r/e?

Oh well, maybe the leader was just having a bad day or something.

And players still behave like there are thousands of other new players joining and playing everyday. The ocean of players is not as large as it once was, but people are still stuck in the mindset of a huge player base, rather than a shrinking mud puddle. In the end they will have their poor attitude and social skills to keep them company and the crickets : ) )

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Gamers--or a lot of them anyway--tend to be snot-nosed jerks with a sense of entitlement, agreed. Now what exactly can you or Turbine or the thought police or Santa Clause do about it?

In my perfect world, whenever someone else was in a party with someone who performs a jerk action against another player, the rest of the players in the group would express their disdain for such actions and drop group themselves.

Eventually, I think the jerks would get tired of having no one to play with and change their attitudes.



But alas bad behavior is not only tolerated, but quite often praised.

[Blackheartox]

Matter of fact, I did hover over the lfm. When I did, some players were in the orchard and others had not yet made it there.

My question was just so that I would know what the plan was, since the lfm itself and the current locations of the players didn't provide illumination.

JFTR, I am one of those guys who posts lfms with "all welcome" and "no zerg" in them all the time. I like to group better than to solo, and this unfriendly person isn't going to change that.

And to the Mr. T guy, I pity the fool!

edit: @blackheartox - what I described in the OP was exactly, word-for-word what happened. Why on earth would you go around accusing people of lying?


Nah not accusing, but in 99% of cases of threads like this, opener usually hides that 1 thing that started the whole fiasco.

But from my experience it usually happens like this:
xx rejected me for being xx, its not fair.
Someone provokes opener, opener says, yes that one time i kicked him and said he should unistall ddo.
Usually its like that.

If it was as you said then yea, rude person, ignore move on.

[Shanzookie]

Nah not accusing, but in 99% of cases of threads like this, opener usually hides that 1 thing that started the whole fiasco.

But from my experience it usually happens like this:
xx rejected me for being xx, its not fair.
Someone provokes opener, opener says, yes that one time i kicked him and said he should unistall ddo.
Usually its like that.

If it was as you said then yea, rude person, ignore move on.


I have an ideal, Don't be so sensitive, get some thicker skin..

I've been on both ends of the spectrum on this but never booted from a party.

As for the LFM, I would of taken it as they are doing SRE's as most people that "ARE" doing the quest will add the difficulty of the quest they will be doing, I.E. Orchard Elite's, or have Orchard as the selected quest, with Elite's in the comment section of the LFM. Either way, don't cry if you don't know what is going on with the party and you get booted for asking a question that the leader deemed as a stupid question, because in his mind it was self explanatory and he obviously felt you where a noob for asking the question in the first place and didn't want to be bothered with holding your hand. a lot of players that have been here for a long time unfortunately get this sort of mind set when they are in "lets get this done", or also known as Zerg Mode. And if you get your feelings hurt over someone else's attitude in a video game then I would suggest that you need some counseling.

[Blackheartox]

I have an ideal, Don't be so sensitive, get some thicker skin..

I've been on both ends of the spectrum on this but never booted from a party.

As for the LFM, I would of taken it as they are doing SRE's as most people that "ARE" doing the quest will add the difficulty of the quest they will be doing, I.E. Orchard Elite's, or have Orchard as the selected quest, with Elite's in the comment section of the LFM. Either way, don't cry if you don't know what is going on with the party and you get booted for asking a question that the leader deemed as a stupid question, because in his mind it was self explanatory and he obviously felt you where a noob for asking the question in the first place and didn't want to be bothered with holding your hand. a lot of players that have been here for a long time unfortunately get this sort of mind set when they are in "lets get this done", or also known as Zerg Mode. And if you get your feelings hurt over someone else's attitude in a video game then I would suggest that you need some counseling.

In all honesty, i was the same as well.
I would kick people etc if they ask what house, share.
But when i was like that, xp wasnt overflowing like its now.
No bb, no pots, no first time, no streak etc and no daily resets.
Grinding trs was hardcore and that attitude could had been forgiven since people like me had limited time to play and that loss of 10% was big back then.

Now?
I just dont care, i share quest, wait til they enter to complete and move on.
Death? Who cares.
Red alert? Who cares
Ddo is a game which requires different mentality then 5-6 years ago

[the_one_dwarfforged]

In fact I did. First person ever on it.


popped your cherry over this? lol.

[Hendrik]

In my perfect world, whenever someone else was in a party with someone who performs a jerk action against another player, the rest of the players in the group would express their disdain for such actions and drop group themselves.

Eventually, I think the jerks would get tired of having no one to play with and change their attitudes.



But alas bad behavior is not only tolerated, but quite often praised.

Isn't the anonymity of the interwebs great?

People say and do things that would garner them a beating if said/done face to face.

But have to be careful too...

On the flip side, once all these socially inept pugtards have nobody left to play with they will cry and whine that they have nobody left that will group with them, leading to more calls for more solo-friendly content or more work done with hirelings - since they will be the only thing left the would join a group with them.

[Kawai]

..socially inept pugtards...

luv this.
someone make a meme plz :P

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Isn't the anonymity of the interwebs great?

People say and do things that would garner them a beating if said/done face to face.

But have to be careful too...

On the flip side, once all these socially inept pugtards have nobody left to play with they will cry and whine that they have nobody left that will group with them, leading to more calls for more solo-friendly content or more work done with hirelings - since they will be the only thing left the would join a group with them.

But they won't be alone.... that is the sad part.

I see it all the time. (almost) No one leaves their groups.
They are basically praised in-game and receive a standing ovation on the forums.

Even the friendliest players I see, just stay in the group and continue the quest.

No one takes a stand against them.

Just seems to me that if the community took a stand against jerkinest, and created a culture of friendly play, we could eliminate this ****.

But I can probably count on one hand the people who will actually leave the group of someone who treats another player badly.

[LightBear]

Isn't the anonymity of the interwebs great?

People say and do things that would garner them a beating if said/done face to face.

But have to be careful too...

On the flip side, once all these socially inept pugtards have nobody left to play with they will cry and whine that they have nobody left that will group with them, leading to more calls for more solo-friendly content or more work done with hirelings - since they will be the only thing left the would join a group with them.

I think all it takes is a name change, but I could be wrong.

And for the op: The wink got lost somewhere so here's another. ;)