Choices and Consequences

[anpeter]

At the drop of a hat and on a baseless whim of mine, I TR'd my 2nd life level 28 monk into a 3rd life fvs. After 10 levels of blustering through dungeon after dungeon and just not liking the playstyle of a caster, is there anything I can do to get back to a pure monk build on that character? Either it be the lvl 28 2nd life, or just 10 levels in monk replacing the 10 fvs on the 3rd life? I ask because the two routes I see are either A: buy enough lesser reincarnations to equal enough levels to change to monk or suffer through to 20 on this character, then reincarnate again and level to cap(again). I don't consider either as optimal solutions just because the rewards do not equal the costs.

[Saekee]

what are your feats and base stats? Surely there is a multiclassing option here that lets you keep past life:fvs after hitting ten levels. Lots of fvs combos work VERY well.

[anpeter]

Str 8
Dex 10
Con 18
Int 8
Wis 19
Cha 13

@ level 10 pure fvs. helf too.

[Tyrande]

At the drop of a hat and on a baseless whim of mine, I TR'd my 2nd life level 28 monk into a 3rd life fvs. After 10 levels of blustering through dungeon after dungeon and just not liking the playstyle of a caster, [...].

Don't like FVS? Do you still have your +20 Lesser Heart of Wood laying around in the bank or...
If you do, you can use that to resspec to whatever class you want, i.e. 10 FVS -> 10 monk, no problem...

Or you can try the 18FvS/2 Monk builds... they work pretty well.

[Tyrande]

At the drop of a hat and on a baseless whim of mine, I TR'd my 2nd life level 28 monk into a 3rd life fvs. After 10 levels of blustering through dungeon after dungeon and just not liking the playstyle of a caster, [...].

Don't like FVS? Do you still have your +20 Lesser Heart of Wood laying around in the bank or...
If you do, you can use that to resspec to whatever class you want, i.e. 10 FVS -> 10 monk, no problem...

Or you can try the 18FvS/2 Monk builds... they work pretty well.
Or a mixture of FvS/Druid/Monk builds in animal form.

[Powskier]

fav soul is way diff style than monk...but can really kick ass.Need blue scale armor for spell power,or smthin of the like. Flame strike/firestorm is great combo.You'll enjoy destruction when you are vale lvl.Blade barrier too.I feel for ya though,I like melee and spell thower is kinda easy style to play in this game.

[anpeter]

Don't like FVS? Do you still have your +20 Lesser Heart of Wood laying around in the bank or...
If you do, you can use that to resspec to whatever class you want, i.e. 10 FVS -> 10 monk, no problem...

Or you can try the 18FvS/2 Monk builds... they work pretty well.
Or a mixture of FvS/Druid/Monk builds in animal form.

I don't have that lesser because it was probably before my charecters time(otherwise I would have done that in a heartbeat). The original goal was a 18fvs/2 monk, but my friend who was supposed to give me the build is nowhere to be found

[Aeron1976]

Hi,

i would advise you to pull through and try the FavSoul to 20, your playstyle will definitely change from lvl 12 and up since you get Blade Barrier and such.

When I did my FavSoul lives on my Wizard , I played him mostly as a melee from 1-11, afterwards your spellcasting will take over and you may actually enjoy that.

I did.

I wouldn't spend the money to LR a few times.

Good luck

[janave]

FVS is pretty weaksauce in the early levels, try to max your evocation dc for soundburst, and spam holy smites for now. At lvl 12 pick up blade barrier before anything else! it will change your mind. Your monk at 12 vs a barrier farting fvs is not even on the same charts. I completed quests using autorun left, right arrow and the blade barrier hotkey on elite.

It is all in the good spell selection and min-maxing your relevant spell powers, in case of fvs: light&alignment, force, positive, fire.

Later you can slot conjuration for cometfalls for even more CC and nukes.

Caster FVS like most casters get really strong after lvl12+, in fact i would probably have leveled in warpriest up till lvl12 with a great axe.

[Fennario]

Nope, the only way to do what you want to do is to get two +5 hearts for 1595 Turbine Points a pop. Then you have to wait 3 days between each one unless you have a reincarnation reset from an Otto's Box. Oh yeah, and if you are not Lawful you will have to buy an alignment change token from the store as well. I forget how much those are exactly, but I want to say 495 points. So sadly, its either grind through all the levels, or open up your wallet.

[Saekee]

Don't like FVS? Do you still have your +20 Lesser Heart of Wood laying around in the bank or...
If you do, you can use that to resspec to whatever class you want, i.e. 10 FVS -> 10 monk, no problem...

Or you can try the 18FvS/2 Monk builds... they work pretty well.
Or a mixture of FvS/Druid/Monk builds in animal form.

This seems like the best advice since you want to be a monk again. Your high wisdom means that you can take level 11 as monk with feat: stunning fist, and still land it. Level 12, monk 2: TWF if you do not have it, and ITWF. Then FVS the rest of the way, GTWF when you can get it. You can still learn a lot about Fvs and enjoy their abilities while just stunning stuff since your wisdom is so high.

[phillymiket]

At lvl 12 pick up blade barrier before anything else! it will change your mind.

^^^^This^^^^^^^^

Wait two levels and get blade barrier and just run through the content on whatever difficulty level is fastest for you dropping BBs in your wake till you get to the bosses then just DP them.
Forget Bravery bonus (if it slows you down), forget favor, forget farming loot and just power run to 20.
Cap, restart as a 36 point monk.

Unless you have lawyer money to toss around. Then get two +5 tomes and and alignment change as mentioned or a heroic Otto's box if you can find one.

[Tyrande]

I don't have that lesser because it was probably before my charecters time(otherwise I would have done that in a heartbeat). The original goal was a 18fvs/2 monk, but my friend who was supposed to give me the build is nowhere to be found

Okay, I think the following may be the build that your friend was talking about? You will need a +1 lessor heart since you didn't pick the first level as monk...

Level 20 Lawful Good Half Elf
( 2 Monk / 18 Favored Soul)
Hit Points: 450+
20 Heroic Durability
144 L18 FvS
16 L2 Monk
100 Con Bonus
22 Toughness Feat (if you picked Toughness as a feat)
50 Toughness Enhancements
30 Greater False Life
10 Draconic Vitality
20 Minos Legens Helm
--
412 Hit Points
45 Second Shroud Item
---
457

Spell Points: 2,375
1485 18 FvS
110 Eot
115 Chr Bonus
380 ARchmagi Item(+90% on Mana Items for l18 FvS)
285 Shroud Tier 2/3 ITem(+90% on Mana Items for l18 FvS)
----
2375 Spell Points

BAB: 14/14/19/2424
14 BAB
6 STR Bonus
5 Weapons
2 ELf Enh
1 FvS Feat
-2 TWF
---
+26 Beholder Unbufed TWF
6 BAB Bump from DP
3 Divine Favor
4 Greater Heroism
1 Haste
1 Rage
--
+41 Self Buffed
-5 Power Attack
---
+36 First Swing
6 Full Warchanter SOng
---
+42 Raid Buffed

Imaginary A/C Potential (I'm not gonna bother, To Slot intensive)
10 BASE
8 Dex Bonus
12+ Wisdom Bonus
8 Armored Bracers
5 Protection Item
5 Ranger Bark
4 Sheild CLicky
4 Bardsong
4 Shroud Weapon
3 Dodge (Ring or DT effect)
1 Armor Ritual
---
64+ Raid Buffed


Fortitude/Reflex/Will
11/11/11 FvS 14
3/3/3 Monk 2
5/8/12 Attributes
5/5/5 Resistance
1/1/1 Resist Ritual
-----
25/28/30 Base Saves
4/4/4 Greater Heroism Spell
2/2/2 Luck (Head of Good Fortune or Recitation SPell)
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31/34/36
4/4/4 Holy Aura(It stacks)
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35/38/40


Abilities
(32 Point)
{22}Strength 14 +2Tome +6 Item
{26}Dexterity 16 +2 Tome +2 Elf +6 Item
{20}Constitution 12+2 Tome +6 Item
{16}Intelligence 9+1 Tome +6 Item as needed
{34/36-40}Wisdom 16 +5 Levels +2FvS +2 Tome +6 Item +3 Shroud +2 Stance(When Necessary)+2 Potion(When Necessary) +2 (+4Tome Potential)
{20}Charisma 11+2 Tome +1FvS +6Item

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 13

Concentration 5 26

Jump 5 19

Tumble 4 6

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge if handwraps (or Zen Archery if bow or Whirling Steel Strike if longsword)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting (or Point Blank Shot if ranged)
Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue (for extra sneak attack damage) or Half-Elf Dilettante: Ranger (for proficiency with all ranged weapons and add bow strength) - you can think of Zen Archery if you go the longbow route

Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Undying Court (if scimitars or handwraps) (Sovereign Hosts if Long Swords ) and take (depends on the weapon - Silver Flame if bow)
http://ddowiki.com/page/Deity-based_feats

Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell

Level 4 (Favored Soul)

Level 5 (Favored Soul)

Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack (Rapid Shot if bow)

Level 7 (Favored Soul)

Level 8 (Favored Soul)

Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting (Many Shot if bow)

Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Either "Precision" or "Dodge" or "Toughness", for myself, I prefer "Precision"
Level 11 (Favored Soul)

Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Acid
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell

Level 13 (Favored Soul)

Level 14 (Favored Soul)

Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell

Level 16 (Favored Soul)

Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Sonic

Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting (Improve Critical: Ranged if bow)

Level 19 (Favored Soul)

Level 20 (Favored Soul)



Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Nightshield
Spell (1): Remove Fear
Spell (1): Sheild of Faith

Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (2): Soundburst
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (2): Lesser Restoration

Spell (3): Prayer
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (3): Protection From Energy
Spell (3): Remove Curse

Spell (4): Divine Power
Spell (4): Recitation
Spell (4): Deathward
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement

Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Spell (5): Raise Dead
Spell (5): True Seeing
Spell (5): Greater Command

Spell (6): Blade Barrier
Spell (6): Heal
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds

Spell (7): Mass Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (7): Destruction
Spell (7): Resurection

Spell (8): Death Pact
Spell (8): Holy AUra

Spell (9): Implosion

Enhancement: Pick whatever you like.

Items for up to 20, for epics, you can craft whatever thunderforged or use the raider box items from CITW
Shroud Items (if you go melee),
Scimmy #1 Holy, +3 (2 insight 1 exceptional) Wis, Mineral II
Scimmy #2 Holy, Acid Burst, Acid Blast Mineral II (or you can go Lightning II)

Shroud Goggles: Blindness/Disease Immune +6 Wis, Concordant Opposition

Helm: Minos
Necklace: Mod 9 Necklace - Superior Potency VI
Cloak: +4 (+5) Resistance/Reaver Napkin
Belt: +6 Con/GFL - Swap with Superior Ardor 6 Belt for Healing CLicky
Bracers: Glacier
Gloves: STR Gloves, Second Shroud Item
RIng 1: CHR +6 (New ring? Exceptonal Power?)
Ring 2(swap): UA, Resist+4, Striding
Boots: Dex
Trinket: Bloodstone

Obviously, this was an old build, but you can equip with new items as you desire for levels 20+

Recommended epic feats: Overwhelming Critical (if you have improve critical), Blinding Speed (if you didn't go the warpriest, but if you do, you have the haste spell and don't need Blinding Speed; I don't believe they stack), Ruin, Master of Forms, Grandmaster of Forms...

[SirValentine]

...I TR'd my 2nd life level 28 monk into a 3rd life fvs. After 10 levels of blustering through dungeon after dungeon and just not liking the playstyle of a caster...
...suffer through to 20 on this character...


If you've only made it to level 10, you haven't even experienced the play-style of a divine caster yet. Divine casters come into their own later than arcanes. Holy Smite is no Fireball. But Blade Barrier kicks Firewall's butt, and Implosion gives Wail a good run for the money. Give it more levels before you decide whether you like it or not.

[mikarddo]

I will echo the others. Hang in there - get to level 12 - take Blade Barrier. After that the main issue is not getting too addicted to that great spell. Even if you still dont like being a FvS your xp will fly as you rush quest after quest using BB to kill almost everything.

[EllisDee37]

Blade Barrier really is a game changer.

[Lallajulia]

just patience. have patience till some more levels. fvs, as any caster in general, is able decimate mobs. but in case of fvs, it needs to get past lvl 10-11. when you will get spell arsenal, its literally unstoppable. as said before - fvs and monk are not even in same league in heroic. spam bb, comets, alingment spells and everyting melts in a masse. just patience.

[fmalfeas]

Bonus - playing as a FvS will teach you about SP conservation (or it'll teach you to be addicted to ConOpp, Torc, and SP Pots), making you better at working with casters. :)

[Angelic-council]

Blade Barrier really is a game changer.

Yeah, OP just need 2 more levels for it... FvS is divine class, a healer. They shouldn't be judged so quickly. Blade barrier with quicken, maximize and empower on will change your game in heroics. It's 1 - 2 hit kill every trash mobs spell. Holy smite will blind monsters and they won't be able to hit you, while running around BB getting hit multiple times. That's how divines also kill archers who stay still. Holy smite + blade barrier + implosion.