All raids lvl 30 version with Saga

[mikarddo]

I wish for this:

- Make a lvl 30 version of every raid in the game but with only the current loot dropping from the raid itself.
- Make a Saga consisting of all those raids at the lvl 30 version.
- Have completing the Saga give a number of "coins" in a new currency. Say 1 on normal, 2 on hard, 4 on elite and 7 on true elite. Make the currency account wide. (Edit: to avoid confusion - the coin reward is from completing the entire Saga, not from each raid)
- Add a vendor that sells the new end game raid loot for those coins and not at all cheaply.

Effects:
- a reason to run lots of different raids
- a reason to run raids on different alts while sharing the coins.
- a reason to run raids at a higher difficulty if you are able
- less reason to use bypasses (unless you are really, really fast at running raids and dont run alts)
- no risk of duping (well, much less atleast) as the currency isnt in inventory.

[axel15810]

Currency given out needs to be based on raid length. If it's not people will just farm the shortest ones. For example, CiTW should give about 4 times the currency as Fall of Truth, and probably 7 or 8 times that of Mark of Death. Also it should be a once per day per raid reward so farming is discouraged. I agree 100% that it needs to be a currency and NOT go in inventory so duping is prevented.

I also agree that EE needs to scale to 30 so raids like Demon Queen, Chrono and VoN 6 aren't mind-numblindly easy on epic elite.

[mikarddo]

Currency given out needs to be based on raid length. If it's not people will just farm the shortest ones. For example, CiTW should give about 4 times the currency as Fall of Truth, and probably 7 or 8 times that of Mark of Death. Also it should be a once per day per raid reward so farming is discouraged. I agree 100% that it needs to be a currency and NOT go in inventory so duping is prevented.

I also agree that EE needs to scale to 30 so raids like Demon Queen, Chrono and VoN 6 aren't mind-numblindly easy on epic elite.

You only get the coins after running the entire saga - not just for running a single raid. So neither raid length nor farming is much of an issue.

[mikarddo]

I wish for this:

- Make a lvl 30 version of every raid in the game but with only the current loot dropping from the raid itself.
- Make a Saga consisting of all those raids at the lvl 30 version.
- Have completing the Saga give a number of "coins" in a new currency. Say 1 on normal, 2 on hard, 4 on elite and 7 on true elite. Make the currency account wide.
- Add a vendor that sells the new end game raid loot for those coins and not at all cheaply.

Effects:
- a reason to run lots of different raids
- a reason to run raids on different alts while sharing the coins.
- a reason to run raids at a higher difficulty if you are able
- less reason to use bypasses (unless you are really, really fast at running raids and dont run alts)
- no risk of duping (well, much less atleast) as the currency isnt in inventory.

Unfortunately, I realise that upgrading all those raids is a large undertaking - so initially I would wish for them to
- Add a Saga based on every Epic raid in the game as they are today.
- Coins given on completing the saga
- A vendor selling a few special items for those coins and not cheaply (examples could be heal/repair/negative amp augments, a shrink clicky, a 10 seconds evasion clicky etc)
They could then add more items later on when more raids are upgraded to level 30 and/or new raids are added.

[hp1055cm]

I wish for this:
- Make a lvl 30 version of every raid in the game .
- Have completing the Saga give a number of "coins" in a new currency.

No to recycling more content. Yes to new original content.
No to another new form of currency/reward system. Yes to expanding the already available reward system(s).

[psteen1]

This idea is awesome. I would love the old raid train to pick up steam again. Please make it so!

[IronClan]

also like these ideas (this isn't the first or the hundredth variation on Raid Saga's and revamping the old raids I think but always good to show the Dev's these ideas are popular)

[depositbox]

Epic Shroud, ToD, Tempest Spine, HoX, VoD, Titan. Level 32 on elite. Not guaranteed all items on 20th lists. Super low drop rates. EE only mythic items. Do it Turbine. Do it!!!!

[Blackheartox]

Do we really want another curency?
I know i dont

[soloist12]

Epic Shroud, ToD, Tempest Spine, HoX, VoD, Titan. Level 32 on elite. Not guaranteed all items on 20th lists. Super low drop rates. EE only mythic items. Do it Turbine. Do it!!!!

Pure win - god forbid we go back to guild raid nights.

[depositbox]

Pure win - god forbid we go back to guild raid nights.

I can dream, right? :P Imagine raid nights back with that schedule... My god

Some will complain of super low drop rates, but imo we dont need any more items. We have enough already. We want them, but not needed. And that's the kicker. They can make some really niche items meant for class specific roles and watch players go crazy farming them.

Returning those raids back to cap and adding two or four(getting greedy here;p) more new ones would be a genuine complete end game experience. And if they can do something with crafting like in other MMOs where players can add slight adjustments to their raid gear if high enough level in crafting and have a token for it(shroud shard type token- cannot be bagged, traded). Voila. Actual end game created. No need to thank me devs.

[blerkington]

Hi,

I'd really like to see a healthier raid scene again.

Thanks for this suggestion.

[Standal]

I'd like to see more raiding, but really all that's necessary is to get back to the old basics. Update old raids to between levels 24 and 30, so that newer/weaker guilds and PUGs can run the lower level ones. There's no need for a new currency or a saga. Al that's necessary is that each raid have unique loot that is valuable to most builds. At level cap 20, Reaver's Fate was still a relevant raid because of the Napkin and Madstone Boots and some other items. Shroud was a relevant end game raid because of greensteel. TOD, VOD, and HoX all had things people wanted.

Also, some totally new raids would be nice.

[RedOrm]

Raid saga: awesome idea, please turbine make it so!
(please let that saga vendor sell seals/shards/scrolls as well!)

Giving all raids a level 30 version: great idea, but takes a lot of time, so don't wait for it, just give improved rewards (more of those coins) when updating each raid.

New raids: well duh! Of course we want new raids, always. But making them costs time, so I'm fine if they also upgrade the existing raids; I certainly wouldn't mind a level 30 shroud!

Note btw that making the saga simply include all raids might get tricky as new raids get added to the game, so my suggestion would be rewards based on number of raids completed: Do 5 different raids for 1/2/3 (EN/EH/EE) coins, 10 for 3/6/9, 15 for 5/10/15 etc.

I'm not sure if giving (small amounts of) shards as saga rewards would cost them money (less buying), or introduce people into the shard market and thus eventually earn them more (more people), but it seems even that might be an option.

Greetz,
Red Orm

[Singular]

Epic Shroud, ToD, Tempest Spine, HoX, VoD, Titan. Level 32 on elite.

I'm all for the above.


Not guaranteed all items on 20th lists.

Not so sure about this point.


Super low drop rates.

No. Your point 2 and 3 would simply make people run raids on timer bypasses angrily.


EE only mythic items.

Sounds great.


Do it Turbine. Do it!!!!

In the meantime, to jump-start the raiding scene, they can set up a raid saga for the current raids we have. I don't want to wait 2 years for them to make all the raids epic - especially not with the continuing attrition of players.

[depositbox]

Not so sure about this point..

Wait for it.....



Your point 2 and 3 would simply make people run raids
There you go.



In the meantime, to jump-start the raiding scene, they can set up a raid saga for the current raids we have. I don't want to wait 2 years for them to make all the raids epic - especially not with the continuing attrition of players.
Yes

[Singular]

Wait for it.....


There you go.


Yes

My key point there was "...raid timers angrily..."

[DarthCaedus]

They should do this when the level cap is 30 but they should instead make the raids level 35.

[depositbox]

My key point there was "...raid timers angrily..."

Irrelevant, so

[Uska]

Umm please no it would take to much work that would take away from other better things what's better you say anything else would be at least for me hate epic and end game myself but not saying to deny work on it but don't want work to be concentrated on it.

[Singular]

Irrelevant, so

Nope. Ridiculously scarce loot is annoying and silly. The game has enough grind in it already.

[depositbox]

Nope. Ridiculously scarce loot is annoying and silly. The game has enough grind in it already.

Yep. You dont need the loot. Grind for it if you want it.