Why am I being killed by Destruction when I have Deathward?

[Vooduspyce]

For the second time tonight I was killed by Destruction by the red named quell at the bottom of the pit in the beginning of epic vol, despite having Deathward cast on me.

I have circled the Destruction effect and a few lines down where it says my Deathward was removed after death aka "(Combat): Your immune to negative damage effect has been removed from you."

http://s29.postimg.org/ty9cqkcr7/destruction_with_deathward.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/ty9cqkcr7/)

Am I missing something here or is this a bug?

[ZeroTakenaka]

I would have said you were Mordenkainen's Disjuncted and/or dispel magic'd but then the effect would be removed before you got hit by the effect and it DOES say you are IMMUNE to neg. dmg.

[legendkilleroll]

I was insta killed other day, found out I forgot to put deathblock on my gear after shuffling items around

[axel15810]

I would have said you were Mordenkainen's Disjuncted and/or dispel magic'd but then the effect would be removed before you got hit by the effect and it DOES say you are IMMUNE to neg. dmg.

This.

Certain enemies like beholders can dispell your deathward, and then instakill you. Make sure you equip a deathblock item that they can't dispel.

[Erdrique]

That is definitely strange and I'm not sure what happened there. Unless somehow the deathward was removed prior to you being hit by destruction but the text in the combat log was delayed and appeared after the text indicating you were killed. I have seen that happen before.

[Kaytis]

The three Quells at the front cast dispel. I ran into trouble a couple times because they dispelled my GH and I ended up feared by the Wheeps in the next big fight. I always check my GH after the entry hall. I am not sure they cast disjunction though -if they do, I haven't noticed it. I think a permanent death block item like the Mabar cloak for example, should be sufficient to prevent Destruction.

[Ermin_Sivarch]

yes, you need a deathblock item. Quell's are notorious for dispelling you, similiar to a beholder. Quell's also cast some spell to make you unable to cast spells, pretty harsh for a caster.

[BD_]

Could also be the damage from the destruction being enough to kill you - On a successful save (or deathblock/ward) you still take damage from destruction - you just avoid the instakill. As an example on EE some things hit for over 500 with destruction. On harder heroic elites and epic hards I think they can still hit for over 300.

[Hobgoblin]

Could also be the damage from the destruction being enough to kill you - On a successful save (or deathblock/ward) you still take damage from destruction - you just avoid the instakill. As an example on EE some things hit for over 500 with destruction. On harder heroic elites and epic hards I think they can still hit for over 300.

This is a bug - I can't remember the post, but a dev said that if you have death ward/block you shouldn't take any damage from it

hob

[Livmo]

This is a bug - I can't remember the post, but a dev said that if you have death ward/block you shouldn't take any damage from it

hob

http://ddowiki.com/page/Destruction_%28spell%29


An enemy is Dead instantly, or is dealt 1d3+3 bane damage per caster level (no maximum) on a successful Fortitude save.

I've died from damage b4 and not from the insta kill. Eek to know there is no max. Great when casting against an enemy, but not so great when cast upon the player.

[Paleus]

I am a little curious as to what may have been cropped out of that scroll (not saying it was intentionally cropped just that it may have been missed). I see where you were "immune to negative energy damage." Destruction damage is bane energy damage. What I'm not seeing is where you were hit with bane damage. So it does look like you just died with no damage dealt. Also, I'm not familiar enough with the particulars of how DDO classifies protections to say that being "immune to negative energy damage" is the same as being immune to insta-death. Generally, immunity to negative energy comes packaged wtih deathward, but I'm not knowledgeable to say that this isn't actually something else. For example, is it actually saying you're not healed by negative energy the same way a palemaster may be immune to positive energy damage since healing is typed that way
http://ddowiki.com/page/Positive_Energy

My best guess aligns with others, the quell dispelled the deathward and then hit you with destruction. I'm just less sure about that negative energy damage statement in the combat report.

[BD_]

This is a bug - I can't remember the post, but a dev said that if you have death ward/block you shouldn't take any damage from it

hob

Matters little if it's a bug or not - currently there is no protection other than having enough hit points to live through it.

[Angelic-council]

Interesting.. because I once died from 3 ghosts beating me. I had deathward on, then suddenly died from unknown attack: seemed like an instant kill, it took all my health (which was 412 at that time) and left me with -15. Necro 2 btw. Also I got this message saying: I was killed by myself.

[Paleus]

Interesting.. because I once died from 3 ghosts beating me. I had deathward on, then suddenly died from unknown attack: seemed like an instant kill, it took all my health (which was 412 at that time) and left me with -15. Necro 2 btw. Also I got this message saying: I was killed by myself.

Most likely cause here was death by stat damage. The undead in Necro 2 quests had attacks that could stat damage a person to death and it did cut through deathward. Lesser resto pots or some other way of recovering stat damage was an important byoh item to have here.

[SirValentine]

This is a bug - I can't remember the post, but a dev said that if you have death ward/block you shouldn't take any damage from it


Deathward should be completely blocking Negative energy. If it's not, that's a bug.

3 issues though:

1. Deathblock does NOT block Negative energy, and isn't supposed to.
2. The damage from Destruction on a successful save is NOT Negative energy.
3. The OP did NOT make their save; they rolled a 1 and failed it.

OP, if you really had Deathward active and were instakilled by a Death effect like Destruction anyway, then, yes, that's a bug. But, as others suggested, double-check whether you had been dispelled or disjuncted or such.

[Angelic-council]

Most likely cause here was death by stat damage. The undead in Necro 2 quests had attacks that could stat damage a person to death and it did cut through deathward. Lesser resto pots or some other way of recovering stat damage was an important byoh item to have here.

Thank you, now I see what killed me... Hm, not sure if it was stat damage tho, but I'll definitely check that later. Thx :)

[Angelic-council]

I wish destruction was evocation spell like implosion. Both are instant kill, destruction and implo both has something similar in their names.

[Blackheartox]

You can cleary read in his screenshot that he got dispeld, i dont see what the issue is, can someone educate me?

HE casts dward, dward stops bane damage as well, which it maybe shouldnt but il assume its stoped because it counts as necro spell. /who cares immunity ftw

Quell casts dispell or morde disjunction, hes left with no dward, he got hit by destuction saves the insta death or has dblock on, but he takes massive damage since they have metas and dies..


What in the 9 hells is bugged there? What is working incorrectly beside the opener not reading the effects removed from him part?

Also even if they spam dispells there are simple items that prevent damage

[Livmo]

I wish destruction was evocation spell like implosion. Both are instant kill, destruction and implo both has something similar in their names.

Ona random side note Cannith Crafting is not dead:

To buff my necro spells I sometimes craft a ring and get an augment since they stack with the spell focus and greater spells focus feats.

I get a ring of the AH that has a green slot and disjunct it. Then craft the Necormancy II shard (prefix) that gives Passive +2 equipment bonus to DC. Next I like add Persuasion (suffix), which gives Grants a +3 competency bonus to all charisma based skill. ML will be 15 is master shard.

I prefer the green slot since I can put clear, blue, and yellow augments in it. Sometimes I will do up a ring with 2 slots, yellow and white. I like green for Resistance and PRR auggie options.

The crafted necro shard is an Equipment bonus and the yellow topaz of Necromancy adds a Enhancement bonus to the ring.

I have an evocation version as well.

EDIT ~ you can craft the spell school prefixs on bracers too.

[Vooduspyce]

You can cleary read in his screenshot that he got dispeld, i dont see what the issue is, can someone educate me?

HE casts dward, dward stops bane damage as well, which it maybe shouldnt but il assume its stoped because it counts as necro spell. /who cares immunity ftw

Quell casts dispell or morde disjunction, hes left with no dward, he got hit by destuction saves the insta death or has dblock on, but he takes massive damage since they have metas and dies..


What in the 9 hells is bugged there? What is working incorrectly beside the opener not reading the effects removed from him part?

Also even if they spam dispells there are simple items that prevent damage

I don't see any dispel in the OP. The effects are being removed from me because I died. The point I am emphasizing that it first says that I failed a save vs. Destruction, and then afterward my Deathward was removed as a result of dying (as all effects are upon death), which shows that Deathward was in fact still on me at the time Destruction was cast.

[Blackheartox]

I don't see any dispel in the OP. The effects are being removed from me because I died. The point I am emphasizing that it first says that I failed a save vs. Destruction, and then afterward my Deathward was removed as a result of dying (as all effects are upon death), which shows that Deathward was in fact still on me at the time Destruction was cast.

Options: you got dispeld, they spam dispell it was in effects window before this, you had a dblock item that counts the same and died losing equipment bonus.
you got dispeld they spam dispell you had a neg energy absorb item like silver flame neck got charges drained got hit by destruction and killed

Either way you were dead and you didnt have dward.
Also another option since you are in sentinel and undying sentinel acts for that description.

[Angelic-council]

Ona random side note Cannith Crafting is not dead:

To buff my necro spells I sometimes craft a ring and get an augment since they stack with the spell focus and greater spells focus feats.

I get a ring of the AH that has a green slot and disjunct it. Then craft the Necormancy II shard (prefix) that gives Passive +2 equipment bonus to DC. Next I like add Persuasion (suffix), which gives Grants a +3 competency bonus to all charisma based skill. ML will be 15 is master shard.

I prefer the green slot since I can put clear, blue, and yellow augments in it. Sometimes I will do up a ring with 2 slots, yellow and white. I like green for Resistance and PRR auggie options.

The crafted necro shard is an Equipment bonus and the yellow topaz of Necromancy adds a Enhancement bonus to the ring.

I have an evocation version as well.

EDIT ~ you can craft the spell school prefixs on bracers too.

Smart move :) I like your idea! so you get total of +3 in necromancy, on top of that charisma bonus.

[Faltout]

Options: you got dispeld, they spam dispell it was in effects window before this, you had a dblock item that counts the same and died losing equipment bonus.
you got dispeld they spam dispell you had a neg energy absorb item like silver flame neck got charges drained got hit by destruction and killed

Either way you were dead and you didnt have dward.
Also another option since you are in sentinel and undying sentinel acts for that description.
First of all, log shows no damage from the spell and what's more it shows a failed save for the death effect. So what happened is that on a failed save, a death effect is applied. Deathward, deathblock and any such effect must block that death effect. It seems that there wasn't such an effect. But then why such an effect was listed on the buffs removed upon death? That's what does not seem legit.

Same thing happened to my cleric that cast mass deathward before dropping and avoided the quells because I didn't want to get intersessioned. After the initial quells, I threw light spells at the red named and got destructed. At the time I assumed that somehow they managed to dispell my DW without me noticing. Can still be the case (till I run it again), but I will be on the lookout for that.

[Vooduspyce]

DW blocks Destruction death effect but not damage. I was killed by the death effect, so DW should've stopped it. My HP being at exactly -25 is indicative that it was a death effect that killed me and not damage.

Thanks e1 for helping to figure this out. I am not angry that I died a couple times last night, but truly at a loss for why it happened :)

[Blackheartox]

DW blocks Destruction death effect but not damage. I was killed by the death effect, so DW should've stopped it. My HP being at exactly -25 is indicative that it was a death effect that killed me and not damage.

Thanks e1 for helping to figure this out. I am not angry that I died a couple times last night, but truly at a loss for why it happened :)

Disjunction also possible, also sometimes effect window is messed up when its laggy /cove for example

My bet tho is, disjuncted then when you died at that moment your dblock item counted as lost, assuming sentienel thing that goes on armor, disjuncted and uppon death it aplies effect again.

[Livmo]

DW blocks Destruction death effect but not damage. I was killed by the death effect, so DW should've stopped it. My HP being at exactly -25 is indicative that it was a death effect that killed me and not damage.

Thanks e1 for helping to figure this out. I am not angry that I died a couple times last night, but truly at a loss for why it happened :)

I was/still am puzzled by your shot as well. I certainly wouldn't rule out a bug or display issue.

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Smart move :) I like your idea! so you get total of +3 in necromancy, on top of that charisma bonus.

Yeah TY AC for compliment on my rings!