Wow, fastest nerf ever

[01000010]

So something I was using on a few characters since vanguard came out was nerfed already, not a big deal, wasted a few weeks of leveling the builds, certainly not the first time a nerf has killed some builds or wasted a lot of my time.

Since they nerfed it I can only guess they didn't mean what I was doing with the builds to work, although logically it was working as it should have.

Problem is, several other builds im using are plagued by obvious bugs in vanguard and many enhancement bugs have been around forever, why nerf something relatively unknown seemingly WAI and of mediocre consequence rather than fixing things that don't work at all, just reading the known issues makes it apparent that fixing some of these bugs would've been easier than applying this nerf.

Were any of the enhancement bugs fixed during the patch at all? Maybe I missed them?

Priorities.

[Scrabbler]

Cmon, give a hint as to what you're complaining about. Does it involve glancing blows, orbs, what..?

[PrimalConcreteSledge]

why nerf something relatively unknown seemingly wai and of mediocre consequence

rofl

[Dreppo]

Does this involve druids in some way?

[Paleus]

Problem is, several other builds im using are plagued by obvious bugs in vanguard and many enhancement bugs have been around forever, why nerf something relatively unknown seemingly WAI and of mediocre consequence rather than fixing things that don't work at all, just reading the known issues makes it apparent that fixing some of these bugs would've been easier than applying this nerf.

I'm not convinced that just reading the known issues list would suggest fixing other bugs is easier than fixing this bug (whatever fightclub it is). The ease of fixing a bug does not necessarily have to do with how long it has been around, how prevalent its occurrence is, or how mediocre its impact is. All those do is suggest the priority that a development team would place on fixing something, not the relationship with how easy it would be to fix. Most likely, and this just a pure guess, this bug is something in code that the programmers who fixed itwere just recently working on so they are familiar with it, and the fix was relatively simple to make. When you start mucking around in other people's code that interacts with still other people's code is when things start getting messier and taking longer.

[01000010]

Here one example:

NEW: The Vanguard's Shield Rush attack uses Balance in its saving throw rather than Fortitude.

Don't know how versed you are in programming or accessing databases, but all this would require to fix is a single word, the name of the fort save field rather than the balance field, that's it.

This bug sucks, for some reason even low level kobolds have enormous balance skill it would seem(another bug if you ask me) and it is easily fixed, no doubt in my mind assuming turbine coded the game in the last 30 years.

Crazy world.4

[walkin_dude]

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why someone would complain about something, but then not say what he's complaining about. @_@

My gut says that if someone doesn't want to talk about it, he probably feels that it isn't WAI, and there are still other things related to it that continue to work and he doesn't want to have to find a new vulnerability to exploit.

[Hendrik]

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why someone would complain about something, but then not say what he's complaining about. @_@

My gut says that if someone doesn't want to talk about it, he probably feels that it isn't WAI, and there are still other things related to it that continue to work and he doesn't want to have to find a new vulnerability to exploit.

Safe bet.

[walkin_dude]

Safe bet.

Right, and if that is the case, then the proper term for a change to it would be "fix," and not "nerf."

[01000010]

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why someone would complain about something, but then not say what he's complaining about. @_@

My gut says that if someone doesn't want to talk about it, he probably feels that it isn't WAI, and there are still other things related to it that do still work and he doesn't want to have to find some other vulnerability to exploit.

Since they nerfed it I can only assume it wasn't working as they intended, but there was no reason to think that was the case prior to the nerf that I could see.

Heres the reason I didn't go into specifics, the point is it doesn't matter what it was, ANY nerf aimed at something that isn't gamebreaking shouldn't be implemented when there are so many bad bugs in the game, there are so many bugs.

I thought my OP expressed this.

[Lonnbeimnech]

Since they nerfed it I can only assume it wasn't working as they intended, but there was no reason to think that was the case prior to the nerf that I could see.

Heres the reason I didn't go into specifics, the point is it doesn't matter what it was, ANY nerf aimed at something that isn't gamebreaking shouldn't be implemented when there are so many bad bugs in the game, there are so many bugs.

I thought my OP expressed this.

So what was it anyway? vanguard shield stun worked in wolf form?

[01000010]

I shoulda known the people who like to call using creative build synergies exploiting would chime in despite having no idea what im talking about, classic forum, lol.

[kgoodson3]

Since they nerfed it I can only assume it wasn't working as they intended, but there was no reason to think that was the case prior to the nerf that I could see.

Heres the reason I didn't go into specifics, the point is it doesn't matter what it was, ANY nerf aimed at something that isn't gamebreaking shouldn't be implemented when there are so many bad bugs in the game, there are so many bugs.

I thought my OP expressed this.

Seems odd to me to start an entire thread over an insignificant fix to a harmless problem.

[walkin_dude]

Since they nerfed it I can only assume it wasn't working as they intended, but there was no reason to think that was the case prior to the nerf that I could see.

Heres the reason I didn't go into specifics, the point is it doesn't matter what it was, ANY nerf aimed at something that isn't gamebreaking shouldn't be implemented when there are so many bad bugs in the game, there are so many bugs.

I thought my OP expressed this.

Mm, well, your posts would make a lot more sense if you actually described what you were talking about once in a while. This thread is far from the first one in which you've done the "talk about something without saying what it is" routine.

Also, I personally don't presume to know what should be first or last in order to get fixed.

And finally, in your OP you made what I'm sure you consider to be statements of fact about how the game is programmed. I am not a programmer, but have had enough contact with the field to know that your statements could be true, but could just as easily be way out in left field. This type of program is very complex, and probably runs into the millions in terms of lines of code. We've clearly seen from previous bugs that sometimes things are interconnected in the code that would not be obvious. This is probably due to constant development by different programmers over a period of time approaching a decade. I would certainly not presuppose knowledge of how to implement anything into it.

[walkin_dude]

I shoulda known the people who like to call using creative build synergies exploiting would chime in despite having no idea what im talking about, classic forum, lol.

Perhaps we could explore the reason why people don't have any idea what you're talking about?

Edit: personally I thoroughly enjoy experimenting and trying stuff with builds. It's the main reason for me to reincarnate. I figure out something I want to try, and I TR a toon to check it out. I do try to stay clear of things that seem to not be WAI, though.

[kgoodson3]

As an aside they clearly don't fix things that aren't working at all because they don't want to fix them. Why they don't to....well that's for them to answer as none of us have no idea really.

[01000010]

So what was it anyway? vanguard shield stun worked in wolf form?

Nah, don't thing the shield stun worked in animal forms, but the shield rush (kinda, still affected by balance bug) did, did they nerf that too? haven't checked. This synergy had nothing to do with wolf and only effected a few very specific builds, and not by much, lol.

It really doesn't matter what im referring to, the point remains. Nerfing the beast form shield rush would be another great example of a senseless nerf, not like its free, you have to spend a lot of ap and take 4 fighter levels and its really sweet looking, especially as a bear. Leave the fun stuff, fix the bugs, keep your players.

[Paleus]

I shoulda known the people who like to call using creative build synergies exploiting would chime in despite having no idea what im talking about, classic forum, lol.

People might have no idea what you're talking about because you won't mention what you are talking about. That's not only classic forums that is classic fight club. Either detail out exactly what you are talking about so that others can weigh in, or accept that bulk of comments will be a healthy degree of skepticism about the merits of your argument. And no one is calling "creative build synergies" an exploit. Anyone who has stayed with the game a long time accepts that the build combinations (or creative synergies) that work in one update, may not work in all future updates. If we did that, people would still be playing batman, exploiter, helves angel, blitz, etc builds.

So detail out what you are talking about so people could weigh in on your argument that " it doesn't matter what it was, ANY nerf aimed at something that isn't gamebreaking shouldn't be implemented when there are so many bad bugs in the game, there are so many bugs." People might reasonably argue that class balancing has long been an acceptable developer priority with a long history behind it (refer back to the examples of past creative build synergies. We could then have a discussion on how unbalancing something needs to be before being a priority to fix and can then argue about whether this fix was significant enough. Heck, it might even be that developers adjusted how an underlying mechanic worked for something else completely and that had a domino effect on a specific build even though the intent was never to specifically address that build's feature.

In the absence of offering any specific details, I can say that I have no problem with Turbine fixing any bugs in the game or rebalancing things. I am not going to demand that all other bugs of one type must be fixed before they can address bugs of a different type.

[01000010]

Since you don't know what im talking about you feel its justified to accuse me of exploiting?

Seems sensible.

[walkin_dude]

Nah, don't thing the shield stun worked in animal forms, but the shield rush (kinda, still affected by balance bug) did, did they nerf that too? haven't checked. This synergy had nothing to do with wolf and only effected a few very specific builds, and not by much, lol.

It really doesn't matter what im referring to, the point remains. Nerfing the beast form shield rush would be another great example of a senseless nerf, not like its free, you have to spend a lot of ap and take 4 fighter levels and its really sweet looking, especially as a bear. Leave the fun stuff, fix the bugs, keep your players.

I've read explanations from developers indicating that animal form is essentially the same as a monk with handwraps. You aren't supposed to get effects that would require a weapon (such as a shield) while using natural fighting. So it appears to be patently not WAI. It also definitely does matter what you're talking about (as Paleus was so eloquent in saying).

[walkin_dude]

Since you don't know what im talking about you feel its justified to accuse me of exploiting?

Seems sensible.

Usually, when someone doesn't want to explicitly describe what he's doing, it means he knows it isn't WAI and he doesn't want to get it (whatever it is) fixed. In this thread, according to everything I've read from the developers about natural fighting, there's no way you couldn't have known that using shield rush shouldn't have worked while in animal form.

[01000010]

Usually, when someone doesn't want to explicitly describe what he's doing, it means he knows it isn't WAI and he doesn't want to get it (whatever it is) fixed. In this thread, according to everything I've read from the developers about natural fighting, there's no way you couldn't have known that using shield rush shouldn't have worked while in animal form.

Geez, reread. What does natural fighting have to do with anything?

Really? "Usually"... I stated specifically I felt what I was doing was WAI, and its already been nerfed, so I neither gain or lose anything.

I don't give specifics about my builds because I don't want clones, I put the work in testing everything myself.

[depositbox]

Usually, when someone doesn't want to explicitly describe what he's doing, it means he knows it isn't WAI and he doesn't want to get it (whatever it is) fixed.

Or that it is good and wai. The forums would cry for weeks/months to get it nerfed. I wouldnt share anything valuable with people who would just turn around and scream nerf it plox. Turbine has a long history of nerfing things after they become popular and the outright tear buckets come out from forumites.

[walkin_dude]

Geez, reread. What does natural fighting have to do with anything?

Really? "Usually"... I stated specifically I felt what I was doing was WAI, and its already been nerfed, so I neither gain or lose anything.

I don't give specifics about my builds because I don't want clones, I put the work in testing everything myself.

Natural fighting is what you use in animal form. Which isn't supposed to be able to do stuff that requires weapons, such as shield rush.

And yes, usually. :)

[01000010]

Natural fighting is what you use in animal form. Which isn't supposed to be able to do stuff that requires weapons, such as shield rush.

And yes, usually. :)

Reread, this isn't about animal form at all. My only mention of animal form was in replying that it wasn't realated and that nerfing the shield rush in animal form would also be a silly nerf with all the enhancements that are broken.

[Paleus]

Since you don't know what im talking about you feel its justified to accuse me of exploiting?

Seems sensible.

I'm guessing this was directed at my post, re-read it. I specifically say no one (or at least myself) considers "creative build synergies" an exploit. This game is littered with creative build synergies that no longer work that were never an exploit, but the game's mechanics simply changed.

What I am saying is that being vague isn't going to provide you with meaningful input from anyone. The way you posted the content of your original post is written in a way that will give off a certain impression on the forums of talking about something you don't think is WAI (whether that impression is justified). In fact, based on your subseqeunt posts it looks like your motivation for being vague is that you think your build ideas are unique and special, and that people will slavishly copy them if they find out about your secret recipe. In that case, my guess is people wouldn't have assumed you're talking about something that wasn't WAI, they'll most likely post gifs of "Cool story bro."

[walkin_dude]

Reread, this isn't about animal form at all. My only mention of animal form was in replying that it wasn't realated and that nerfing the shield rush in animal form would also be a silly nerf with all the enhancements that are broken.

Okay, then I still have no idea what you're complaining about, except that I'm pretty sure it was about something to do with Vanguard. I do know from previous posts that you do a lot of stuff with druids, and have talked extensively (if cryptically) about fighting in animal form.

[01000010]

I'm guessing this was directed at my post, re-read it. I specifically say no one (or at least myself) considers "creative build synergies" an exploit. This game is littered with creative build synergies that no longer work that were never an exploit, but the game's mechanics simply changed.

What I am saying is that being vague isn't going to provide you with meaningful input from anyone. The way you posted the content of your original post is written in a way that will give off a certain impression on the forums of talking about something you don't think is WAI (whether that impression is justified). In fact, based on your subseqeunt posts it looks like your motivation for being vague is that you think your build ideas are unique and special, and that people will slavishly copy them if they find out about your secret recipe. In that case, my guess is people wouldn't have assumed you're talking about something that wasn't WAI, they'll most likely post gifs of "Cool story bro."

Cool story bro.

[dunklezhan]

Reread, this isn't about animal form at all. My only mention of animal form was in replying that it wasn't realated and that nerfing the shield rush in animal form would also be a silly nerf with all the enhancements that are broken.

OK, so I understand your general point OP - don't nerf things that are fun but not game breaking.

I think we can all get behind that if what you want is general affirmation of the principle.

Nevertheless:
- Your post is entitled "Wow, fastest nerf ever".
- Your OP talks about some specific change you don't like... but we don't know what.
- Saying "it's bad to nerf stuff that's fun and isn't broken" on these forums is more or less explaining that rain is wet to a bunch of people who live in the same puddle you do.

Your post and your title, bear very little relation to your actual point which is 'only' that things that aren't game breaking shouldnt' be nerfed if they're fun. That's pretty bad forum etiquette right there. Almost to the point of being disrespectful to the reader. Post titles exist for a reason and generally its to clue people in to what they're about to read. Further, your post is preaching to the choir and therefore is full of sound and fury, and signifying nothing.

Unless you actually elaborate a bit, you're not saying anything new or meaningful, are confusing and frustrating a bunch of people who not unreasonably want to understand the specific thing you are annoyed about.

Further, for all you know, my binary named colleague, there WAS some "game breaking" problem with the thing that got nerfed whatever it is. Of course, I have no way to know that because you won't say what it is so perhaps I'm wrong. But perhaps YOU are wrong, and by not explaining "the thing" you are potentially missing out on learning something about the game you did not know before.

If you can't manage a little bit of explanation, some hint toward what the heck you are talking about, just for some bizarre (and honestly a bit laughable) reason of 'build secrecy' then, well, either obvious troll is obvious, or pointless thread is pointless. Pick one, or elaborate.

Unless it really is just the shield bash example you gave. In which case actually I would agree with you and then immediately argue the more general point about druids that 'natural fighting' feats and restrictions are very silly in the first place.

[Kaytis]

So something I was using on a few characters since vanguard came out was nerfed already, not a big deal, wasted a few weeks of leveling the builds, certainly not the first time a nerf has killed some builds or wasted a lot of my time.

Since they nerfed it I can only guess they didn't mean what I was doing with the builds to work, although logically it was working as it should have.

Problem is, several other builds im using are plagued by obvious bugs in vanguard and many enhancement bugs have been around forever, why nerf something relatively unknown seemingly WAI and of mediocre consequence rather than fixing things that don't work at all, just reading the known issues makes it apparent that fixing some of these bugs would've been easier than applying this nerf.

Were any of the enhancement bugs fixed during the patch at all? Maybe I missed them?

Priorities.

They didn't change it. It still works.

[Cetus]

Am I thinking that I'm thinking, or am I just thinking?

[walkin_dude]

- Saying "it's bad to nerf stuff that's fun and isn't broken" on these forums is more or less explaining that rain is wet to a bunch of people who live in the same puddle you do.

Except you can apply that to pretty much anything, and who in particular decides on the issue of brokenness?

There has to be some framework, and it's fine to say, "well, my build benefits a little from this non-WAI thing, but not much, so you need to go fix other stuff before you worry about it." But, eventually, there will be no more framework (no relation to Matador Village, though).

[Chai]

Some of those "creative build synergies" were things they specifically declared not WAI, and said there would be a fix for in the future.

[Paleus]

Am I thinking that I'm thinking, or am I just thinking?

I am think that I'm thinking therefore I am that I aming.

[Chai]

Or that it is good and wai. The forums would cry for weeks/months to get it nerfed. I wouldnt share anything valuable with people who would just turn around and scream nerf it plox. Turbine has a long history of nerfing things after they become popular and the outright tear buckets come out from forumites.

But its already nerfed according to the OP and he still wont share. No one is building clones of his now nerfed build, so he has no other reason than "fight club" not to share.

shenanigans. :p

[01000010]

OK, so I understand your general point OP - don't nerf things that are fun but not game breaking.

I think we can all get behind that if what you want is general affirmation of the principle.

Nevertheless:
- Your post is entitled "Wow, fastest nerf ever".
- Your OP talks about some specific change you don't like... but we don't know what.
- Saying "it's bad to nerf stuff that's fun and isn't broken" on these forums is more or less explaining that rain is wet to a bunch of people who live in the same puddle you do.

Your post and your title, bear very little relation to your actual point which is 'only' that things that aren't game breaking shouldnt' be nerfed if they're fun. That's pretty bad forum etiquette right there. Almost to the point of being disrespectful to the reader. Post titles exist for a reason and generally its to clue people in to what they're about to read. Further, your post is preaching to the choir and therefore is full of sound and fury, and signifying nothing.

Unless you actually elaborate a bit, you're not saying anything new or meaningful, are confusing and frustrating a bunch of people who not unreasonably want to understand the specific thing you are annoyed about.

Further, for all you know, my binary named colleague, there WAS some "game breaking" problem with the thing that got nerfed whatever it is. Of course, I have no way to know that because you won't say what it is so perhaps I'm wrong. But perhaps YOU are wrong, and by not explaining "the thing" you are potentially missing out on learning something about the game you did not know before.

If you can't manage a little bit of explanation, some hint toward what the heck you are talking about, just for some bizarre (and honestly a bit laughable) reason of 'build secrecy' then, well, either obvious troll is obvious, or pointless thread is pointless. Pick one, or elaborate.

Unless it really is just the shield bash example you gave. In which case actually I would agree with you and then immediately argue the more general point about druids that 'natural fighting' feats and restrictions are very silly in the first place.

Forum etiquette, lol. Newsflash, this thread wasn't intended for you and I don't care if you like or understand it so much, however im pretty amused by your tone, so itll be fun to reply.

The title was an exclamation, this is the fastest nerf I can think of since the game came out, one would think that would be a reaction to something like say a melee power enhancement giving 1000 rather than 10 more melee power, but that wasn't the case, as im sure everyone would've heard of such a glaring bug if it were, the fact that few know what im talking about supports my assertion that it was a minor synergy.

Funny everyone claiming "build secrecy" is so laughable are also the ones that are really upset they don't know what im referring to, you are the one being disrespectful, and for no reason other than you are mad you don't know what im talking about. Transparent.4

[dunklezhan]

Except you can apply that to pretty much anything, and who in particular decides on the issue of brokenness?

There has to be some framework, and it's fine to say, "well, my build benefits a little from this non-WAI thing, but not much, so you need to go fix other stuff before you worry about it." But, eventually, there will be no more framework (no relation to Matador Village, though).

I 100% agree.

Which is why it's important for the OP to state the nerf in question, or we cannot assess exactly the things you have said in order to decide. "Don't nerf stuff if it's not broken and is fun" covers it - it has to be demonstrably broken in some way - to any build not just the one the OP uses - before you should decide to nerf it. We have no idea if what the OP is saying fits that bracket at all.

[01000010]

But its already nerfed according to the OP and he still wont share. No one is building clones of his now nerfed build, so he has no other reason than "fight club" not to share.

shenanigans. :p

Cmon chai, you know better. The same build uses other synergies, revealing this synegy would make some of the others more apparent. Ive had enough of my builds cloned and nerfed to last a lifetime, im not gonna make it easy.

[Missing_Minds]

Look at it this way, folks. Everyone is on the same page disagreeing with the OP including Chai.

I'd say this thread is done and that the OP has issues.

[dunklezhan]

Forum etiquette, lol. Newsflash, this thread wasn't intended for you and I don't care if you like or understand it so much, however im pretty amused by your tone, so itll be fun to reply.

The title was an exclamation, this is the fastest nerf I can think of since the game came out, one would think that would be a reaction to something like say a melee power enhancement giving 1000 rather than 10 more melee power, but that wasn't the case, as im sure everyone would've heard of such a glaring bug if it were, the fact that few know what im talking about supports my assertion that it was a minor synergy.

Funny everyone claiming "build secrecy" is so laughable are also the ones that are really upset they don't know what im referring to, you are the one being disrespectful, and for no reason other than you are mad you don't know what im talking about. Transparent.4

Au contraire. I'm not mad. I don't care particularly. You are reading passion into a post which is in fact simply bored exasperation, about yet another argument on these forums apparently just for the sake of arguing. I was just trying to explain to you how to get something productive out of the thread as you don't appear to get that, despite your evident grasp of the complexities of build mechanics. However, you appear to be more concerned with being able to win the argument about why you shouldn't have to explain yourself. /meh. Go right ahead and carry on, and think of me what you like. I'm sure your approach to getting change on the things you don't like can't be any less effective than mine has proven to be over the years.

[01000010]

They didn't change it. It still works.

Absolutely best reply by far, I wish you were right.

It is possible it could be multiple display bugs and it still works, but I really don't think so, lol.

That's a lot of hints.

[01000010]

Au contraire. I'm not mad. I don't care particularly. You are reading passion into a post which is in fact simply bored exasperation, about yet another argument on these forums apparently just for the sake of arguing. I was just trying to explain to you how to get something productive out of the thread as you don't appear to get that, despite your evident grasp of the complexities of build mechanics. However, you appear to be more concerned with being able to win the argument about why you shouldn't have to explain yourself. /meh. Go right ahead and carry on, and think of me what you like. I'm sure your approach to getting change on the things you don't like can't be any less effective than mine has proven to be over the years.

The op was primarily aimed at turbine, I sure hope they know what im talking about.

The OP wasn't even an argument and what is productive about youre condescending and ill informed reply?

Black pot.

[Chai]

Cmon chai, you know better. The same build uses other synergies, revealing this synegy would make some of the others more apparent. Ive had enough of my builds cloned and nerfed to last a lifetime, im not gonna make it easy.

Its already been cloned repeatedly. I don't believe you were the only one to figure those synergies out. :p

[dunklezhan]

The OP wasn't even an argument and what is productive about youre condescending and ill informed reply?



In hindsight, touche. Beyond that, good luck to you.

[01000010]

Look at it this way, folks. Everyone is on the same page disagreeing with the OP including Chai.

I'd say this thread is done and that the OP has issues.

Nice, this thread needs a few more personal attacks to make me feel at home.

But youre wrong, several of the replies were neutral and some were agreeable.

You really need these forums don't you, lol.

[Noctus]

So something I was using on a few characters since vanguard came out was nerfed already, not a big deal, wasted a few weeks of leveling the builds, certainly not the first time a nerf has killed some builds or wasted a lot of my time.

Since they nerfed it I can only guess they didn't mean what I was doing with the builds to work, although logically it was working as it should have.

Problem is, several other builds im using are plagued by obvious bugs in vanguard and many enhancement bugs have been around forever, why nerf something relatively unknown seemingly WAI and of mediocre consequence rather than fixing things that don't work at all, just reading the known issues makes it apparent that fixing some of these bugs would've been easier than applying this nerf.

Were any of the enhancement bugs fixed during the patch at all? Maybe I missed them?

Priorities.


Let me paraphrase that into its 4 core sentences:
1. I exploitet a bug.
2. I know i exploited a bug as i dont want to talk about it.
3. They fixed the bug i was exploiting.
4. I feel cheated because i cant exploit that bug any more.



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[Thrudh]

It really doesn't matter what im referring to, the point remains.

You have zero point without explaining what you are talking about...

You: "I hate that Turbine does this one thing"

Us: "what thing?"

You: "Doesn't matter... my point remains..."

[Thrudh]

Let me paraphrase that into its 4 core sentences:
1. I exploitet a bug.
2. I know i exploited a bug as i dont want to talk about it.
3. They fixed the bug i was exploiting.
4. I feel cheated because i cant exploit that bug any more.

This.

It amazes me that people will come on these boards and proclaim "I am so bad at video games that I have to cheat"

[Xianio]

Forum etiquette, lol. Newsflash, this thread wasn't intended for you

Yeah, about this -- you put something on a commons forum. It really doesn't matter who you 'intend' it for, it's FOR everyone. While it's quite comedic how much ego you display "I don't want clones," I think this thread doesn't offer anything other than a guy to communally laugh at.

But, because the OP didn't share anything anytime someone guesses wrong he gets to feel smugly superior. So in the end it's a win/win for everyone. The community gets a laugh at someone too afraid to post something real, and he gets to laugh at others 'not getting it.'

So thanks for the entertainment, I suppose. :)

[01000010]

Its already been cloned repeatedly. I don't believe you were the only one to figure those synergies out. :p

Where did I claim I was, I really hope im not the only one who figured out this specific synergy(it worked exactly as it was written and it is still written the same way) and I cant imagine I was. But a good build is going to have many synegies and there are 100s of variations, knowledge is power in this game, worth every bit as much as gear or past lives.

Lets say 10 or 20 or whatever people per server have very similar builds to the few of mine this nerf affected, 3/4 of them don't even get on the forums probably due to all the idiots, if they design like I do they would be accused of exploiting and 90% of the forumites would say their build is pathetic with no comprehension of how it works whatsoever. I can show a ton of examples of builds, both my own and by others that were ridiculed on the forums and later shown to be powerful.

Giving away my build would not only negate all of my hard work testing, but it could affect anyone else with similar build, if I prove just one of the synergies is powerful I may get all the similar builds nerfed, even the ones using the synergy to a lesser extent, it could also be a crucial synergy on another build that is otherwise not strong enough to function without it.

[01000010]

This.

It amazes me that people will come on these boards and proclaim "I am so bad at video games that I have to cheat"

First im an exploiter, now im a bad player who has to cheat, all pure pathetic assumption. All talk, pm me your server and name of main and ill build a first life character and ill group with you a bit, I wont even say what happens on the forums, but youll know.

[luxgolg2]

https://www.ddo.com/en/community/community-guidelines

See #8

Hey sandbox keeper! There is a cat burying nuggets again

[Blackheartox]

There is that thing, that really isnt a thing but because others say its a thing i refuse to agree its a thing, since the thing isnt thing enough for me to admit that there is a single thing that isnt a thing in that thing il say that the thing really is not thing enough..



Thats how i read op

[Cordovan]

Closing thread.