First Phoenix- AOE Melee Caster

[Enderoc]

I am about to reincarnate for the first time. I want to do three levels of Cleric Past lives before going to Paladin. I have a plus 6 tome of ability and 3 and higher for my Skills affecting spells that are not taken into account...+3 Spell/conc, +4 Heal/Perform. I am trying something more AOE, healing, casting, melee, turning. Because if I am focusing on healing I want to Berserker rage inbetween with cleaves. I think I should probably work in Quicken as a feat, it may not be necessary though
. Any help would be appreciated for what I am trying to go for. I don't want to totally gimp casting ability...otherwise I think I might have chosen one level of bard to improve sonic power. So with these things in mind can you work with this? Oh and I am trying to do this with GS, and TF Falchions which is why I did not go monk. (Okay break it down simple...all AOE spells including Sonic, fire, Mass inflict etc., combined with Falchion and preferably cleave attacks and most likely riding in Unyielding Sentinel with twists to up power attack .5 from LD and I don't know what else) My equipment includes Pale Rod, and Nether orb for neg energy switching out, and Mythic Seraphim but most is melee gear.

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Level 28 Lawful Neutral Drow Male
(2 Fighter \ 18 Cleric \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 413
Spell Points: 1775
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 8
Will: 21

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(30 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 14 21
Dexterity 10 15
Constitution 12 17
Intelligence 16 21
Wisdom 16 30
Charisma 12 19

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 10
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 10
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 10
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 14
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 14
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 14
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 14
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 14
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 18
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 18
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 18
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 18
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 18
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 18

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 0 15
Bluff 1 12
Concentration 5 37
Diplomacy 1 15
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 1 12
Heal 7 47
Hide 0 10
Intimidate 1 12
Jump 3 34
Listen 3 20
Move Silently 0 10
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform 3 23
Repair 3 13
Search 3 15
Spellcraft 7 36
Spot 3 20
Swim 2 13
Tumble 1 11
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Deity) Follower of Vulkoor
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Falchion


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Fighter)


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Mental Toughness


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Toughness


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Damage Reduction


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Elusive Target
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Venom Lore (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Venom Lore (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Drow - Venom Lore (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Healing Domain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Pacifism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Burst (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Empower Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Shield (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Mighty Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Efficient Empower Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Efficient Empower Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Efficient Empower Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Unyielding Sovereignty (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Aura (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Foe (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Resilience of Battle (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sacred Touch (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sacred Touch (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sacred Touch (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Burden of Sin (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Burden of Sin (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Energy Absorption (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Energy Absorption (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Energy Absorption (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Light Guard (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Light Guard (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)

[Enderoc]

It also looks like I left a feat out for fighter two-I think I would go with improved critical slashing. I probably should also drop Falchion as a feat and instead take quicken and maybe take a fighter level at 11 for GS. It's just easier to read and digest on forums trying to think it through...but I appreciate feedback from those who do this often.

[axel15810]

From my experience it's a bad idea to try and do both casting and melee on a cleric. You'll end up being poor at both. I've tried generalist builds and they just don't work.

It's much better to be good at either casting or melee than to be mediocre at both. If you're playing on running heroic normal or hard a generalist concept would be fine - but as for elite I think you'll find your ability to kill stuff lacking on this build.

It seems by your enhancements you're favoring melee. So I'd just focus on that and drop heighten/mental toughnesses and pick up melee feats like impr crit, (THF line, TWF line or SHF line), cleaves. Also drop toughness, ~ 30 HP is really not worth it at all on a feat starved class. Also maximize is highly recommended for better bursts - a must in my opinion. Quicken is a must.

Why 16 INT? INT is a dump stat on a cleric. Invest more in CON, 12 is low. Only take enough WIS to meet requirements for casting spells. Focus on STR and CON. Some CHA.

Splash a fighter level at 2, that way you get martial proficiencies. I like to splash the 2nd fighter level at level 14 after I get my aura at Cleric level 12.

I'd normally recommend pally splash but since you won't be taking this into epics, 18 cleric / 2 fighter should be fine. Saves aren't very important in heroics.

Take haste boost from fighter tree ASAP for better DPS. You can focus the rest into Warpriest/RS trees as you've done. Don't take the SP point saving enhancements, you should be doing the bulk of your healing with radiant servant aura/bursts. You'll have plenty of SP as you aren't a caster.

Also see my youtube channel link in my signature, check out my "Cleric healing guide" video if you're new to clerics.

[Enderoc]

The high intelligence is for heightening performance for sonic damage and spellcraft primarily, and to round out other skills without sacrifice. Primarily the melee is to help with AOE spells to concentrate hitting many at once to do as much damage around me to weaken them for the rest of the party. Which is why I chose cleave and great cleave.

[Xyfiel]

Do you have a specific reason for taking 3 cleric lives? Are you trying to max out turning?

[Enderoc]

Okay how about this, instead of taking the cleaves I took past life fighter as a feat and took Paladin instead of fighter levels. And I want to turn like a first life cleric yes.
Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.20.02
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Level 28 Lawful Good Drow Male
(2 Paladin \ 18 Cleric \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 441
Spell Points: 1863
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 12
Will: 25

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(30 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 14 21
Dexterity 10 15
Constitution 14 19
Intelligence 14 19
Wisdom 16 30
Charisma 10 17

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 14
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 14
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 14
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 14
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 14
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 18
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 18
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 18
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 18
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 18
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 18

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 0 20
Bluff 0 11
Concentration 6 38
Diplomacy 0 14
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 0 11
Heal 7 44
Hide 0 10
Intimidate 0 13
Jump 4 24
Listen 3 20
Move Silently 0 10
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 2 12
Search 2 14
Spellcraft 6 35
Spot 3 20
Swim 2 13
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Deity) Follower of Vulkoor
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Student of the Sword


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Mental Toughness


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Bulwark of Defense


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Positive


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Negative
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Healing Domain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Pacifism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Burst (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Empower Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Mighty Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Efficient Empower Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Efficient Empower Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Efficient Empower Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Unyielding Sovereignty (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Incredible Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Incredible Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Incredible Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Aura (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Cure Focus (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Foe (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Resilience of Battle (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sanctuary (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sacred Touch (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sacred Touch (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sacred Touch (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Burden of Sin (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Burden of Sin (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Burden of Sin (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wisdom (Rank 1)

[Pilgrim1]

I run a 18 cleric/ 2 pally human.

He is a charisma build with heavy armor. I use hell ball, energy burst, concentrate and strike down. I gather lots of mobs (EE) and lay down my AOE's and jump around and spam hell ball. Most mobs die fast. I also have the single weapon fighting but i most bring that out for bosses. It's a beast of a toon and super survivable with great saves and now with the heavy armor boost great vs melee mobs. I use divine might when fighting and end up with like 50-60 str.

If your set on the 18cleric/2figher i would run int, use the above AoE's and use the harper tree to get int to dmg + int divine might.

If i had to re-do the build i would run 4-6pally/0-2fighter/12-16FvS. Fvs Get better enhancments then clerics for this type of thing, extra pally lvls to get access to the defender stances and get more divine save bonus when the change divine favor, and the fighter lvls for some free feats and haste boost.

Builds a monster btw.

[Enderoc]

I run a 18 cleric/ 2 pally human.


If your set on the 18cleric/2figher i would run int, use the above AoE's and use the harper tree to get int to dmg + int divine might.

If i had to re-do the build i would run 4-6pally/0-2fighter/12-16FvS. Fvs Get better enhancments then clerics for this type of thing, extra pally lvls to get access to the defender stances and get more divine save bonus when the change divine favor, and the fighter lvls for some free feats and haste boost.

Builds a monster btw. That sounds pretty cool right there. I did not think to use the harper enhancements. In that way I could focus more on casting and still have decent damage in melee. Is there an updated character generator yet?

[Cloista]

That sounds pretty cool right there. I did not think to use the harper enhancements. In that way I could focus more on casting and still have decent damage in melee. Is there an updated character generator yet?

If you're ooking at that kind of build I'd be inclined to go 17 Cleric(or FvS)/3 Paladin, for access to Defensive stance. Cleric or FvS is depending largely on if you want 9th level spells or not.