View Full Version : Can Rogues Flank
Mgideon
10-16-2014, 01:33 PM
As I'm fighting, I keep trying to flank my opponents but it doesn't' seem to do a bit of good. Is this not part of DDO? Also, how do you sneak attack?
My Rogue (which is my favorite class in D&D) is a level three, I don't remember the specialization.
Thanks,
Mike
HatsuharuZ
10-16-2014, 01:37 PM
There are two ways to flank an enemy, which gives you +2 to-hit and allows for sneak attack damage to be applied to the target:
1) Successfully bluff an enemy, either through the bluff feat, certain druid and ranger abilities, 'Deception' or 'Improved Deception' items.
2) Attack an enemy that is NOT attacking your character.
Tscheuss
10-16-2014, 02:03 PM
There are two ways to flank an enemy, which gives you +2 to-hit and allows for sneak attack damage to be applied to the target:
1) Successfully bluff an enemy, either through the bluff feat, certain druid and ranger abilities, 'Deception' or 'Improved Deception' items.
2) Attack an enemy that is NOT attacking your character.
^^This.
I used to bring a hireling along on solo runs just to draw aggro...
okay, and for heals. :p
unbongwah
10-16-2014, 02:58 PM
http://ddowiki.com/page/Sneak_attack
DDO doesn't implement flanking like they do in PnP D&D or other D&D CRPGs like NWN. Essentially, you will get sneak atks when your target is either (A) aggroed on someone else or (B) rendered vulnerable to SA due to blindness, incapacitation or the effects of Bluff or Deception.
You'll also want to read about Fortification (http://ddowiki.com/page/Fortification), which is a DDO-specific defense against sneak atks and crits. Investing in Fortification bypass is important to every melee or ranged toon, IMHO, but it's especially important to rogues, since so much of their DPS is SA-dependent.
Nickademus
10-16-2014, 11:29 PM
From the DDOWiki and one of the loading screen tips:
"When attacking with a melee weapon, the attacker gets a +1 flanking bonus to attack rolls if he or she strikes the target from the side, and a +2 flanking bonus to attack rolls if he or she strikes the target from behind."
Tip #168: If a monster attacks you from behind it will get a +2 bonus to hit.
Nickademus
10-16-2014, 11:35 PM
There are two ways to flank an enemy, which gives you +2 to-hit and allows for sneak attack damage to be applied to the target:
1) Successfully bluff an enemy, either through the bluff feat, certain druid and ranger abilities, 'Deception' or 'Improved Deception' items.
2) Attack an enemy that is NOT attacking your character.
Just a clarification, neither of these are actually flanking. They are situations that apply sneak attack (which is often called "flat-footed" in pen-and-paper). And there is a third way:
Tip #88: Rogues perform their Sneak Attack when they attack before the creature has detected the Rogue, or when the creature is attacking another target.
rehakp
10-17-2014, 05:49 AM
To clarify:
Fortification is not DDO specific .. its base DnD thing.
In general rogue have more happy life in DDO than in PnP DnD.
In DDO you can acquire stats that help you penetrate fortification (non existent in standard DnD)
In DDO you get sneak attacks without the need for flanking. You just need to not have agro.(In DnD you need either flank or target to be flat-footed, paralized etc.)
In classic DnD characters with impover uncanny dodge cant be flanked unless attackin rogue is 4 lvls higher (so you basically cant sneakattack anyone with imp. uncanny in DnD without paralization)
In classic DnD you cant sneak anyone who has any kind of displacement against you (even 10%) im not sure now but i think you can sneakattack displaced targets or in fog in DDO.
So in DDO there you get you sneaks basically everytime you watch your agro and fortification is not an issue where in DnD rogues have alot harder times ..... well on other hand in DnD fullround sneak attacks form rogue basically meant boss is dead while in DDO it means its barely scratched ... but thats another story :D
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