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nokowi
09-10-2014, 07:05 PM
Hey fellow assassins!

Just thought I'd ask if anybody has any requests for videos of solo EE assassin runs, build questions, new players, or videos of anything else assassin related.
Here is my channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgjCKLGi8kMIzg2BtiojRfg/videos

I am also looking for a good DEX assassin and a good STR assassin so we can compare runs/effectiveness and demonstrate all things rogue. Hit me up if you would like to demo some solo EE runs. I would be glad to post them on my assassin site. I am looking for a minimum of 12 levels in rogue.

Here are my solo EE Int assassin runs so far:

http://youtu.be/L26aUlKgchc (End of the Road)
http://youtu.be/xO59BG1bv1E (Feast or Famine)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQAL9ni8HK0 (Detour)
http://youtu.be/F7SLOXfP3vk (Foundation of Discord)
http://youtu.be/le1G5MLpZzw (The House of Broken Chains)
http://youtu.be/BDA3Xa5lIBA (Trackers Trap)

-Nokowi (Sarlona)

nokowi
09-10-2014, 10:38 PM
Hey fellow assassins!

Just thought I'd ask if anybody has any requests for videos of solo EE assassin runs, build questions, new players, or videos of anything else assassin related.
Here is my channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgjCKLGi8kMIzg2BtiojRfg/videos

I am also looking for a good DEX assassin and a good STR assassin so we can compare runs/effectiveness and demonstrate all things rogue. Hit me up if you would like to demo some solo EE runs. I would be glad to post them on my assassin site. I am looking for a minimum of 12 levels in rogue.

Here are my solo EE Int assassin runs so far:

http://youtu.be/L26aUlKgchc (End of the Road)
http://youtu.be/xO59BG1bv1E (Feast or Famine)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQAL9ni8HK0 (Detour)
http://youtu.be/F7SLOXfP3vk (Foundation of Discord)
http://youtu.be/le1G5MLpZzw (The House of Broken Chains)
http://youtu.be/BDA3Xa5lIBA (Trackers Trap)

-Nokowi (Sarlona)


EE Solo Assassin Devil Assault Coming Soon!

Wipey
09-11-2014, 06:56 AM
These are really cool, quite unique.
Hope you get someone else here too, even if it's highly unlikely. Assassins disappeared from the game.

Oh and certainly better to demonstrate assassinate/aggro problems than 15 pages arguing :)
I wish you good luck with trying to fix these problems.

nokowi
09-11-2014, 09:06 AM
EE Solo Assassin Devil Assault Coming Soon!

http://youtu.be/L26aUlKgchc (End of the Road)
http://youtu.be/xO59BG1bv1E (Feast or Famine)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQAL9ni8HK0 (Detour)
http://youtu.be/F7SLOXfP3vk (Foundation of Discord)
http://youtu.be/le1G5MLpZzw (The House of Broken Chains)
http://youtu.be/BDA3Xa5lIBA (Trackers Trap)
http://youtu.be/T37hlBprb7Q (Devils Assault)

nokowi
09-11-2014, 09:32 AM
These are really cool, quite unique.
Hope you get someone else here too, even if it's highly unlikely. Assassins disappeared from the game.

Oh and certainly better to demonstrate assassinate/aggro problems than 15 pages arguing :)
I wish you good luck with trying to fix these problems.

Thanks!

DDO had fantastic stealth/spot/listen mechanics prior to U22. Dev's spent the time to create a fantastic system. Hopefully they will spend the time to fix agro and actually let players use the system!

When stealth was working, intelligence-based assassin was one of the most fun and challenging builds to play. This was a truly unique style of play. If you want a challenge, play a rogue!

These videos show the bugs since U22. They occur regularly on EE content.
1. Bugged agro system (all mobs auto-spot you after assassinate)
2. Bluff use is bugged because of agro changes.
3. No assassinate roll at all (~10% of the time)
4. Grazing hits seem to be an issue. Sneak attack to-hit modifier may not be applied before a grazing hit is determined. (Low attack rolls may miss when your sneak attack bonus should be sufficient to allow you to hit). Grazing hits don't get sneak attack damage, and prevent an assassinate attempt.
5. Traps can't be placed on certain terrain
6. Poison still prevents assassinate (not in videos), as do some other damage types. Can someone confirm or add to this list of effects that break assassinate with post U22 info?
Poison
Slashing from Ravager set

Some temporary fixes for solo runs include:
1. Using Summon Monster Scrolls or Epic Roderic's wand (while outside of range of enemies) and then sneaking up to the mobs so you can get off 1 assassinate while not having agro. (The summoned monster will die quickly and you would need to walk out of range and repeat to continue doing this).
2. You can still bluff in open areas using the technique in Video #1 (End of the Road)
3. Trap Use
4. Shadow Manipulation
5. You need more gear and toughness while these bugs exist to succeed on EE runs.

For group play
1. Give up on being at the front of the party and let others get agro before you assassinate.
2. If you are in Shadowdancer destiny, you can use your sneak attack training clicky to move quickly in stealth and catch up to the group.


If anybody else has any suggestions for dealing with the current bugged system, let me know!

Saekee
09-11-2014, 09:43 AM
Old Tomb New Tenants. It should be a cakewalk for you if you stealth it.

Did you post your build anywhere? Impressive

Saekee
09-11-2014, 09:52 AM
btw it seems that the new stealth changes are hurting assassins more than other stealthy classes. For my ninja they have been an improvement--but she does not assassinate, bluff or lay traps

arcattaii
09-11-2014, 11:07 AM
6. Poison still prevents assassinate (not in videos)

As far as I know, not only the Venomed Blade, but also many other damage type will prevent Assassinate, such as the 2d6 slashing damage from Ravager set. They are very annoying but never get fixed.

nokowi
09-11-2014, 12:53 PM
Old Tomb New Tenants. It should be a cakewalk for you if you stealth it.

Did you post your build anywhere? Impressive

I have posted the human version. End game builds differ from leveling builds, and epic vs heroic leveling builds will also differ. Most people will not want to copy my end game build. I prefer Human while leveling and Drow for a final build. All intelligence assassin builds need precision, TWF, ITWF, GTWF, and Insightful Reflexes. I add completionist at level 3. On my Drow build, I have 1 feat left which goes to Improved Critical Piercing (useful for Thunderforged weapons) for end game build.

Replace Improved Critical with Magical Training for an Epic TR build. Use Caught in the Web weapons which have keen.
For a Human add Toughness as your free feat.
If you don't have completionist take Dodge.


Here is my human build. When I found out Magical trap DC's had changed, I removed my points from UMD and added them to Improved Traps. (this differs from the posted build)

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/444333-Build-Request-Rogue-Assassin?highlight=nokowi?

Pay close attention to DEX requirements for TWF, for ITWF, and for Epic Sneak Attack (I dont use this feat but you may). Pay close attention to CON requirements for Epic Toughness. On a Drow build I take +1 Int instead of Epic Toughness (I don't have enough Con to take it nor do I have the toughness feat). Completionist does not help you meet Stat Requirements but Tomes will.

nokowi
09-11-2014, 01:00 PM
btw it seems that the new stealth changes are hurting assassins more than other stealthy classes. For my ninja they have been an improvement--but she does not assassinate, bluff or lay traps

Can you clarify what is different or better for ninja? Thanks!

Trap use is working correctly, however assassinate and bluff are frustrating since U22.

nokowi
09-11-2014, 01:04 PM
6. Poison still prevents assassinate (not in videos)

As far as I know, not only the Venomed Blade, but also many other damage type will prevent Assassinate, such as the 2d6 slashing damage from Ravager set. They are very annoying but never get fixed.

Added. Thanks!

Saekee
09-11-2014, 01:26 PM
Can you clarify what is different or better for ninja? Thanks!

Trap use is working correctly, however assassinate and bluff are frustrating since U22.

In general, invisi functions much better coupled with stealth. I can get away from a mob that has spotted me by getting a little distance and putting objects between me and them. Before they would scout the whole dungeon. I guess that is the main thing; ninja shadow veil is awesome.

Seikojin
09-11-2014, 01:56 PM
Thanks for making a channel for these. I love it when someone can buck the normal zerg trend and do it well!

nokowi
09-11-2014, 07:42 PM
I have posted the human version. End game builds differ from leveling builds, and epic vs heroic leveling builds will also differ. Most people will not want to copy my end game build. I prefer Human while leveling and Drow for a final build. All intelligence assassin builds need precision, TWF, ITWF, GTWF, and Insightful Reflexes. I add completionist at level 3. On my Drow build, I have 1 feat left which goes to Improved Critical Piercing (useful for Thunderforged weapons) for end game build.

Replace Improved Critical with Magical Training for an Epic TR build. Use Caught in the Web weapons which have keen.
For a Human add Toughness as your free feat.
If you don't have completionist take Dodge.


Here is my human build. When I found out Magical trap DC's had changed, I removed my points from UMD and added them to Improved Traps. (this differs from the posted build)

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/444333-Build-Request-Rogue-Assassin?highlight=nokowi?

Pay close attention to DEX requirements for TWF, for ITWF, and for Epic Sneak Attack (I dont use this feat but you may). Pay close attention to CON requirements for Epic Toughness. On a Drow build I take +1 Int instead of Epic Toughness (I don't have enough Con to take it nor do I have the toughness feat). Completionist does not help you meet Stat Requirements but Tomes will.

I made a video at http://youtu.be/9xnYtzevOX0 showing the (Drow) build used in the videos. I will post another video later with the Harper Tree, +6 Tomes, and any new U23 gear (I haven't decided how to incorporate U23 gear yet...)

nokowi
09-11-2014, 07:43 PM
Thanks for making a channel for these. I love it when someone can buck the normal zerg trend and do it well!

Glad to do it!

kamimitsu
09-12-2014, 01:09 AM
It's old, but here's the thread on my two-kill EE Midler Farmhouse run. No video, sorry. I elected to sneak to the spider in the attic first, kill it, then take care of the big girl.

EE Impossible Demands (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/399275-Epic-Elite-Midler-Farmhouse-%28Impossible-Demands%29-Stealth-w-hireling-2-kills)

Saekee
09-12-2014, 09:04 AM
I have posted the human version. End game builds differ from leveling builds, and epic vs heroic leveling builds will also differ. Most people will not want to copy my end game build. I prefer Human while leveling and Drow for a final build. All intelligence assassin builds need precision, TWF, ITWF, GTWF, and Insightful Reflexes. I add completionist at level 3. On my Drow build, I have 1 feat left which goes to Improved Critical Piercing (useful for Thunderforged weapons) for end game build.

Replace Improved Critical with Magical Training for an Epic TR build. Use Caught in the Web weapons which have keen.
For a Human add Toughness as your free feat.
If you don't have completionist take Dodge.


Here is my human build. When I found out Magical trap DC's had changed, I removed my points from UMD and added them to Improved Traps. (this differs from the posted build)

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/444333-Build-Request-Rogue-Assassin?highlight=nokowi?

Pay close attention to DEX requirements for TWF, for ITWF, and for Epic Sneak Attack (I dont use this feat but you may). Pay close attention to CON requirements for Epic Toughness. On a Drow build I take +1 Int instead of Epic Toughness (I don't have enough Con to take it nor do I have the toughness feat). Completionist does not help you meet Stat Requirements but Tomes will.

Thx! I am still trying to get over the effectiveness of your web traps. Who would have thought?
I noticed you did not take shadow double--any reason why? It is +6 dex, not 3 as the tree claims. I guess with Insightful reflexes and Int to dmg with harpers it is less important.

Have been trying for ages to make an EMG...Have two seals...Even if they are surpassed by Citw and TF, they have been my longing since my first time playing DDO

Saekee
09-12-2014, 09:08 AM
It's old, but here's the thread on my two-kill EE Midler Farmhouse run. No video, sorry. I elected to sneak to the spider in the attic first, kill it, then take care of the big girl.

EE Impossible Demands (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/399275-Epic-Elite-Midler-Farmhouse-%28Impossible-Demands%29-Stealth-w-hireling-2-kills)

I recall when you posted this run! Clever and funny

nokowi
09-12-2014, 12:30 PM
It's old, but here's the thread on my two-kill EE Midler Farmhouse run. No video, sorry. I elected to sneak to the spider in the attic first, kill it, then take care of the big girl.

EE Impossible Demands (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/399275-Epic-Elite-Midler-Farmhouse-%28Impossible-Demands%29-Stealth-w-hireling-2-kills)

Funny Stuff!

nokowi
09-12-2014, 12:39 PM
Thx! I am still trying to get over the effectiveness of your web traps. Who would have thought?
I noticed you did not take shadow double--any reason why? It is +6 dex, not 3 as the tree claims. I guess with Insightful reflexes and Int to dmg with harpers it is less important.

Have been trying for ages to make an EMG...Have two seals...Even if they are surpassed by Citw and TF, they have been my longing since my first time playing DDO

Dexterity is a dump stat for my build (even before Harper Tree). I use rapiers and do not get Dex to damage. Dex is only used for a few skills that are already high enough. Dexterity is needed purely for feat requirements (Dex 17 is needed by level 12 or 15, depending on when you take ITWF. Dex 21 is also needed by epic levels if you want the Epic Sneak Attack Feat - I don't take this because I needed the +1 Int for my assassinate DC.) I recently acquired +6 tomes, which may allow me to add Epic Sneak Attack into my line-up. I will post a new build once I respec with Harper Tree.

I have 2 EMG that I use at level 20, and mats for a 3rd!(I may have ran that chain too many times) I'd be happy to join you for TTT if you are on Sarlona and need some free loot chances. -Nokowi

Saekee
09-12-2014, 04:02 PM
Dexterity is a dump stat for my build (even before Harper Tree). I use rapiers and do not get Dex to damage. Dex is only used for a few skills that are already high enough. Dexterity is needed purely for feat requirements (Dex 17 is needed by level 12 or 15, depending on when you take ITWF. Dex 21 is also needed by epic levels if you want the Epic Sneak Attack Feat - I don't take this because I needed the +1 Int for my assassinate DC.) I recently acquired +6 tomes, which may allow me to add Epic Sneak Attack into my line-up. I will post a new build once I respec with Harper Tree.

I have 2 EMG that I use at level 20, and mats for a 3rd!(I may have ran that chain too many times) I'd be happy to join you for TTT if you are on Sarlona and need some free loot chances. -Nokowi

interesting! thx for offer re EMGs--but I am on Cannith. I can cruise Tide Turns--I guess it is a matter of time. Maybe I will level another toon and dual box...I can park them outside there...