U23 Faun - Wrathbringer

[Khain]

Hi posting stalwart tank/dps wolf form build with top dps, good survivability and very good self heal. Be aware that swf and twf working in wolf form isnt confirmed to be wai, but that dps feel like cheating.

EDITED
update to U23, changed 3 ranger to 6 ranger to get dance of death, great aoe ability that was boosted in u23. Changed 8 fighter to 4 fighter.

Human 10 druid 4 fighter 6 ranger.

Why Druid? for winter wolf form ,natural fighting feats and spells.
Why fighter? for feats and stalwart defender tree.
Why ranger? for twf feats togeather with swf feats, tier 5 ability dance of death.

Main enhacements:

Fighter: greater stalwart defender: +20% hp, +3 saves, +prr, +mrr
Druid: natural warrior tree: some sneakattack bonus and damage bonus, fatal harier.
Ranger: tempest tree up to tier 5 for dance of death.
Harper tree: get meele power and kno the angles.
Human: damage boost

Attack speed: base+30% wolf + 30% swf +15% haste +80% gtwf+ 10% tempest + 10% perfect twf + 53% double strike(18% natural fighting +15% shield mastery + 9% item +3% martial past life + 5% perfect twf)

14 feats +2 destiny
Feats: 3x swf, 1xtwf, 3xnf, impoved critical, shield mastery, imroved shield mastery, overhelming critical, power attack, empower heal, quicken, holy strike, perfect twf.

Primary stat: str
Secondary stat: con, dex, int, wis.

Epic destiny: Legendary drednought
twists: cocoon, balanced attacks, legendary shield mastery
self heal: greater vigor + cocoon + cure critical wounds

Equip:

Weapon: thunderforged axe (headmans chop)
offhand: orb
armor: medium or heavy for stalwart defense.

[Avocado]

I hope they fix the druid SWF and TWF bug as they shouldnt be working together but thats not really what you want to hear. I think the build would require testing. In my experience with melee wolf druids (a fair amount) hp has been a very minimal part of the build. +6 str is nice but ive never been able to get my druids str high enough to make it worth it for stunning blow. My current one sits at about 62 str which is really low if you want to use stunning blow. Maybe is comes down to my play style but hp has never been something that I need. I never die by a mob and say i would have survived if i had more hp. It just comes down to me being stupid and testing my luck of not getting hit. If you really want to make use of SWF and TWF in a build try the 8dru/6mnk/6ranger build. It is posted in the druid forums somewhere.
EDIT: attack speed would be higher if you used the natures warrior tree's fatal harrier for 25% attack speed boost.

[Khain]

with 8 druid 6 monk 6 ranger build you cant have 3x natural fighting, you can only have 10% offhand from shintao tree, witch is lower attack speed,i think fatal harier is solo skill, in group is very hard stack it to full and doesnt stack with haste. More survivabiity from stalwart make you more tank, witch i prefer over some small dps.No need stuning blow, balanced attacks proc often and with deception mob is always disoriented or stunned.( 1x deception from item and 1x from harper tree) i test build on lamania and worked very well, but harper tree is quite buged right now.

[Avocado]

I post this in almost all builds that have it; toughness is worthless and so is epic toughness. I think you'll already have a problem with self healing as much hp as your going to get from stalwart defense. Your limited on healing with 9 druid to cocoon and vigor which doesn't heal very much. With 6 ranger you get Twf and itwf for free and you also take gtwf which is 60% more offhand strike which is better then 18% doublestrike. And at least once u23 hits you will def have room to take 2x Nat fight seeing as there will be no reason for cleave and great cleave.

[Khain]

i make little change where i going from level 9 druid to 13 druid and get regenerate as another source of heal.
Can you explain how can you get 3x natural fighting in 8 6 6 build? NF prerequisite is druid level 9. this build have more dps, survivability and self heal then 8 6 6 build. And of course, faun have 100 % offhand proc.

[Zachski]

Relying on TWF for a Druid shapeshifter build is basically asking for trouble when they fix that oversight.

Then again, relying on an obvious oversight for any build is asking for your build to be made useless when said build is fixed.

Not to mention it's just in poor taste :)

[Khain]

Update build to U23

[unbongwah]

So does Dance of Death work in animal forms? If so: sweeeeet. :cool:

[Khain]

So does Dance of Death work in animal forms? If so: sweeeeet. :cool:
Not tested by me, but someone testing it and work beautiful, he destroing pack of 4 mobs, its best meele aoe now.

[gzargel]

Hi posting stalwart tank/dps wolf form build with top dps, good survivability and very good self heal. Be aware that swf and twf working in wolf form isnt confirmed to be wai, but that dps feel like cheating.

EDITED
update to U23, changed 3 ranger to 6 ranger to get dance of death, great aoe ability that was boosted in u23. Changed 8 fighter to 4 fighter.

Human 10 druid 4 fighter 6 ranger.

Why Druid? for winter wolf form ,natural fighting feats and spells.
Why fighter? for feats and stalwart defender tree.
Why ranger? for twf feats togeather with swf feats, tier 5 ability dance of death.

Main enhacements:

Fighter: greater stalwart defender: +20% hp, +3 saves, +prr, +mrr
Druid: natural warrior tree: some sneakattack bonus and damage bonus, fatal harier.
Ranger: tempest tree up to tier 5 for dance of death.
Harper tree: get meele power and kno the angles.
Human: damage boost

Attack speed: base+30% wolf + 30% swf +15% haste +80% gtwf+ 10% tempest + 10% perfect twf + 53% double strike(18% natural fighting +15% shield mastery + 9% item +3% martial past life + 5% perfect twf)

14 feats +2 destiny
Feats: 3x swf, 1xtwf, 3xnf, impoved critical, shield mastery, imroved shield mastery, overhelming critical, power attack, empower heal, quicken, holy strike, perfect twf.

Primary stat: str
Secondary stat: con, dex, int, wis.

Epic destiny: Legendary drednought
twists: cocoon, balanced attacks, legendary shield mastery
self heal: greater vigor + cocoon + cure critical wounds

Equip:

Weapon: thunderforged axe (headmans chop)
offhand: orb
armor: medium or heavy for stalwart defense.


With only 4 fighter you can't take stalwart defense. I suggest a 9druid/6fighter/5ranger, only thing you lose is a spell.

[Feagor]

With only 4 fighter you can't take stalwart defense. I suggest a 9druid/6fighter/5ranger, only thing you lose is a spell.

In U23, stalwart defense is the 2nd tree core and so it requires fighter lv3.

[Thaelic11]

So what would be your layout for Fighter, Ranger, Druid? I'm just curious since i would like to try out this build. I can figure out the feats and everything else. But, when it comes to taking what class and what lvl is where I fall a little short. lol any help would be great!

Thaelic

[mezzorco]

So what would be your layout for Fighter, Ranger, Druid? I'm just curious since i would like to try out this build. I can figure out the feats and everything else. But, when it comes to taking what class and what lvl is where I fall a little short. lol any help would be great!

Thaelic

I'd say 11drd / 6rgr / 3ftr. You get access to natural fighting, 6th level spells, TWF/ITWF, ram's might, +10% offhand attacks, 2 fighter bonus feats and access to defensive stance and +6 str. You can take tempest T5 for Dance of Death, so you don't need Cleave and Great Cleave.

If you feel you're short on feats, go 10/6/4.

[unbongwah]

Human 10 druid 4 fighter 6 ranger.
Feats: 3x swf, 1xtwf, 3xnf, impoved critical, shield mastery, imroved shield mastery, overhelming critical, power attack, empower heal, quicken

I'd say 11drd / 6rgr / 3ftr.
Which feat do you suggest dropping?

[unbongwah]

Not saying this is optimal leveling order or anything; just taking mezzorco's split out for a spin to make sure everything fits. :)

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Level 28 True Neutral Human Female
(3 Fighter \ 6 Ranger \ 11 Druid \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 405
Spell Points: 1235
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 12
Will: 10

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 18 29
Dexterity 15 17
Constitution 16 18
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 8 10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Human Bonus) Precision (or Power Attack)
Feat: (Selected) Single Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Single Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Druid)


Level 8 (Druid)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Wolf


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery


Level 10 (Druid)


Level 11 (Druid)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Single Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Druid)
Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Bear


Level 15 (Druid)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 16 (Druid)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Druid)
Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Winter Wolf


Level 18 (Druid)
Feat: (Selected) Natural Fighting


Level 19 (Druid)


Level 20 (Druid)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Item Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Bleed Them Out (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Bleed Them Out (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Bleed Them Out (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - The Growing Storm (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - The Growing Storm (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - The Growing Storm (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dance of Death (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dance of Death (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dance of Death (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Nature's Warrior (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Extra Wild Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Extra Wild Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Extra Wild Empathy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Athletic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Vengeful Hunter (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Vengeful Hunter (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Action Boost: Double Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Action Boost: Double Strike (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Action Boost: Double Strike (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Fatal Harrier (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Fatal Harrier (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Fatal Harrier (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Item Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Instinctive Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Martial Arts (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Season's Herald (Drd) - Seasoned (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Season's Herald (Drd) - Beguile (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Season's Herald (Drd) - Beguile (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Season's Herald (Drd) - Beguile (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Natural Fighting (or Quicken Spell)


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Natural Fighting


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: First Blood


Without ftr 4 you lose a feat slot; drop either Quicken or the 3rd Natural Fighting feat. In exchange you get two lvl 6 spell slots: Mass Vigor and either Frostbite or Fire Shield are probably the most useful.

[mezzorco]

Which feat do you suggest dropping?
As said:

If you feel you're short on feats, go 10/6/4.

Anyway maybe 10/6/4 is a better rounded build. I'd take Precision over Power attack, though.

[jalont]

Edit: NVM, I may be wrong.

[Blackheartox]

Heh, so my build has now a name. Cool



I want that sillynes fixed tho

[Kynestra]

the OP really is in bad form here, total hijack.

[Khain]

As said:


Anyway maybe 10/6/4 is a better rounded build. I'd take Precision over Power attack, though.

Problem with 11/6/3 is that you cant get stalwart2 stance and speed bonus, you want to be first in fight, and without good movement speed it cant be done.

[mezzorco]

Problem with 11/6/3 is that you cant get stalwart2 stance and speed bonus, you want to be first in fight, and without good movement speed it cant be done.

You already get +15% speed bonus from winter wolf, don't know if another 10% is better than level 6 spells.
I mean, monks and bards will be faster than you anyway...

[Khain]

You already get +15% speed bonus from winter wolf, don't know if another 10% is better than level 6 spells.
I mean, monks and bards will be faster than you anyway...

yes, of course, but some speedbonus is very helpfull. Other that, i recalculate dps through basic math and dps of this build is very high, like 50% better then pure thf paladin, whitch is huge, maybe druid designer would be start thinking about nerf. If would have better dps about 10-15%, its ok, but 50-60% , it starting be overpowered.