Survey: Guild Advancement

[Cordovan]

We're looking to get some information from you about your guild advancement experience up to this point. Click here (http://DDObugs.turbine.com/ics/survey/survey.asp?deptID=24037&surveyID=341&type=web) to take our brief survey! Answer the questions to the best of your ability, so it's okay if you can't remember the exact month or number of members; give us an approximate figure if you can.

[Dragon.Star]

Wow.

I'm impressed, instead of pulling the data your asking for from you own systems, your asking your paying customers to provide the Data you already have. Ingenious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and a new low imo.

[FranOhmsford]

I've answered for my own guild on Cannith - Scions of Stormreach - as there's no question about being in more than one guild or on other servers.

Formed - Mid 2010 {I've said June}
#of Accounts - Currently 8
Guild Lvl - 59

[stoopid_cowboy]

We're looking to get some information from you about your guild advancement experience up to this point. Click here (http://DDObugs.turbine.com/ics/survey/survey.asp?deptID=24037&surveyID=341&type=web) to take our brief survey! Answer the questions to the best of your ability, so it's okay if you can't remember the exact month or number of members; give us an approximate figure if you can.

What kind of useless garbage survey is that????
What information does "when was your guild formed" give you? Just checking to see if there are any old guilds left?

A more relevant question would be "How long did it take your guild to attain it's current level". I know my guild was stalemated at level 72 for over a year!!!! Not because we weren't active, but because decay was so severe we could not advance.

Survey closed, not worth submitting.

p.s. Sorry for the blunt annoyed answer.

[EllisDee37]

It does seem in poor taste to ask for surveys of probably-misremembered datapoints when you could (should) instead query the database to get the actual, accurate data.

[dunklezhan]

I can't imagine what value those four questions are you to Turbine, but I've completed them anyway.

[sephiroth1084]

What a pointless survey.

How about queries like:

How long did it take your guild to reach its current level?
What level did your guild peak at prior to the removal of renown decay?
Has your guild turned away, or kicked out, players over concerns about their impact on the guild's leveling (ie, inactive players dismissed)?
What goals have motivated your guild to advance (amenity access, new airship for hookpoints, new airship for aesthetic reasons, bragging rights)?
How many guilds are you in?
Have you started a guild, or guilds?
What is the longest you have remained in any one guild?
What drew you to join the guild you are currently a member of?

[oradafu]

What a pointless survey.

How about queries like:

How long did it take your guild to reach its current level?
What level did your guild peak at prior to the removal of renown decay?
Has your guild turned away, or kicked out, players over concerns about their impact on the guild's leveling (ie, inactive players dismissed)?
What goals have motivated your guild to advance (amenity access, new airship for hookpoints, new airship for aesthetic reasons, bragging rights)?
How many guilds are you in?
Have you started a guild, or guilds?
What is the longest you have remained in any one guild?
What drew you to join the guild you are currently a member of?


^ A much better survey than the official one, since the Devs should be able to pull the answers of their survey without player input.

[skaught78]

Yeah that was pretty much pointless... Why not devote some resources to... Say bug fixes? Lag fix? Loot Gen? Cannith Crafting?

Please? With sugar on top?

[khamastus]

You guys sound exactly like my wife. Seriously.

[Qhualor]

i think surveys are a great way to get player feedback and think we need more of them, but this survey was the basic of the basics. 2 questions i just randomly guessed because i have no clue when Gypsys was founded. i joined them about 2 1/2 - 3 years ago. i think its best to make these surveys less generalized and more specific to get better feedback. of course, this information on guilds is something you guys can find out for yourselves with your own private data and curious as to why ask us?

[Mercureal]

Possibly they're looking to collect some faulty human-originated data and compare it against their databases - get a sense of the reliability of information from the self-selected userbase, maybe?

[merentha]

You guys sound exactly like my wife. Seriously.

If my wife caught me laughing at this post I'd be dead (looks over shoulder furtively).

That said. I found the survey odd, but answered as heck it didn't kill me and my looking it up myself was enlightening.

NoM founded October '09 and if I'm off by much then if not October we managed to create ourselves as fr00bs in late September :)

Whopping Guild Level 68ish (yeah I'd have to log in and look as we're (the 2 that still play semi-regularly) really ignoring anything until 70 and then 78 and we don't level so fast lately).

[ToastyFred]

Lots of whinging going on in here. :rolleyes:

[Livmo]

I just want to point out surveys can be good for a variety of reasons.

Data mining is OK, but surveys are better at measuring peoples' perception. The data can show one angle/view, but peoples' perception of how things work/are, or what they feel their exp. to be can say something entirely different. Guess what? Aggregated perception is going to trump hard data at times. The data won't matter if a majority feels a certain way about an issue at times. People are people.

I don't know what the intent is, but I took the survey anyway. Why? Because Cordovan asked, "We're looking to get some information from you about your guild advancement experience up to this point".

At the very least it made me feel good that Turbine is interested in how the game feels to me. I'm human just like everyone else, I don't care what the data says, all I care about is how I feel about my exp. regarding guild advancement ;)

I'm sure Turbine knows what the data reflects. Perhaps they want measure how we feel about our guild advancement experiences in relationship to upcoming changes to the game they plan to make? Of course it would make me feel good, right, wrong, or otherwise, to know that Turbine took a look at both the data and people's perception about guild advancement prior to making live changes. Even if change is not needed, and things are WAI, I don't see anything wrong with Turbine trying to give me what I want, even if I don't need it based on data.

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For random fun:


1. fanboy http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboy

A passionate fan of various elements of geek culture (e.g. sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, video games, anime, hobbits, Magic: the Gathering, etc.), but who lets his passion override social graces.

1. fanboi http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboi
Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with thier particular thing.


Excluding gender and such (but including trolls) could all DDO forumites fall into one of these definitions on any given day or post?

It pleases me to be called a fan at times, because I spend allot time playing and I've been smitten by this game.

[dontmater]

im shocked they didnt ask what time of the day the guild was started

[poltt48]

Yeah was weird but also did not apply to my guild. C.L.A.W. (Councel of Law and War) has been around since 1995. Is on 8 MMO and started on ddo when game first came out like have on 6 other games. So asking when was formed could not really say since we were around way before this game. Or asking number of members when have almost 1k guildys over 8 MMOs. Did not really know what to put for answers.

[sephiroth1084]

You guys sound exactly like my wife. Seriously.

She must be a no-nonsense, intelligent, and discerning woman.

[PermaBanned]

I just have to wonder what the eploi... "feature maximizers" who founded/joined guilds and blitzed them from start to 100 in no time put for answers:

Guild: (name here) level 100
Founded: January 2014
# of members: 4
How long to reach current level: A day.

Would be amusing anyway.


But yeah, really lost on the point of this one...

[cdbd3rd]

You guys sound exactly like my wife. Seriously.


She must be a no-nonsense, intelligent, and discerning woman.


...and hawt. :cool:

**************

Survey completed.

Should kink their metric a bit to have an '07 guild that's only made it to level 23. ;)

[Captain_Wizbang]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e142/Justin4ever2/oursurveysaid.jpg

Wait for it..... What?

[Tshober]

What a pointless survey.

How about queries like:

How long did it take your guild to reach its current level?
What level did your guild peak at prior to the removal of renown decay?
Has your guild turned away, or kicked out, players over concerns about their impact on the guild's leveling (ie, inactive players dismissed)?
What goals have motivated your guild to advance (amenity access, new airship for hookpoints, new airship for aesthetic reasons, bragging rights)?
How many guilds are you in?
Have you started a guild, or guilds?
What is the longest you have remained in any one guild?
What drew you to join the guild you are currently a member of?



Yes, I have to agree that those would have been much more enlightening questions.

[MeliCat]

What a pointless survey.

How about queries like:

How long did it take your guild to reach its current level?
What level did your guild peak at prior to the removal of renown decay?
Has your guild turned away, or kicked out, players over concerns about their impact on the guild's leveling (ie, inactive players dismissed)?
What goals have motivated your guild to advance (amenity access, new airship for hookpoints, new airship for aesthetic reasons, bragging rights)?
How many guilds are you in?
Have you started a guild, or guilds?
What is the longest you have remained in any one guild?
What drew you to join the guild you are currently a member of?


Um yeah.

I mean "how many people in your guild" is kind of useless. So I know one guild that is level 71 now with 1 active player founded in 2007 which doesn't take into account when it use to have > 30 active players and has taken massive hits in decay in its time.

[Capricorpus]

In my opinion, they need to bring back size-based renown decay.

Since the decay system was dropped, guilds have been gaining levels far too quickly, at least on Cannith. Small guilds that have a far higher amount of renown earned by the average member don't deserve to be penalized for not spamming guild invites in the harbor.

[Robai]

Those questions, lol, even if everyone would answer them 100% correctly, what's the point?
Guild system is working fine (it was better with decay imo, but meh, not important subject)
Seriously, why not use manpower on more important things like fixing bugs/increasing BtC bank space?

[slarden]

I am sure they are looking at alot of data points, but comparing forum survey results with in-game results is certainly useful information especially when weighing comments about the guild changes.

It sounds like they are lowering the level of the existing ships while adding more ships and it only makes sense they want people to be able to buy that next AS ship reasonably soon. I never understood why they had a mechanic that prevented people from buying ships for AS in the past - the old decay mechanic that left many guilds just short of being able to buy the next ship.

[Grimlock]

What kind of useless garbage survey is that????
What information does "when was your guild formed" give you? Just checking to see if there are any old guilds left?

A more relevant question would be "How long did it take your guild to attain it's current level". I know my guild was stalemated at level 72 for over a year!!!! Not because we weren't active, but because decay was so severe we could not advance.

Survey closed, not worth submitting.

p.s. Sorry for the blunt annoyed answer.

Surveys compiled by -other- members of the development team have been effective. This one is not.

[PsychoBlonde]

It does seem in poor taste to ask for surveys of probably-misremembered datapoints when you could (should) instead query the database to get the actual, accurate data.

I don't think they're looking for information about the GUILDS--I think they're looking for info on the PLAYERS--they want to get an idea of what sorts of guilds the players who respond to these surveys are in so they can compare that info to the complaints/recommendations that they get FROM those players.

There's a good reason to ask this and there's NO way for them to just "pull" that info from the servers--nor should you want it to be easy for them to directly correlate forum commentators with accounts and characters. That info is precisely the stuff you DON'T want directly available to company employees. If all the comments they're getting are from people who are in giant, ancient guilds, they're going to have to look further afield to get info on the experience of people who play in tiny, new guilds. Likewise if they're only getting commentary from people in 3-person guilds, then they need to be careful about making assumptions regarding what the people in giant, ancient guilds will think about this or that change.

But hey, let's just assume the devs are idiots and just ask for random stuff because they feel like it.

[IronClan]

The internet, a bunch of non content creators b*tching about things they haven't a clue about, presuming to know the needs and motivations of a survey, and *****ing like they have something better to do (like the act of aimlessly b**** about stuff doesn't kinda contradict that facade) this thread is hilarious.

How in the world can anyone be so preposterous as to assume they know "better questions to ask" when they don't know what the survey is intended for?


You guys sound exactly like my wife. Seriously.

Sorry man, you have my condolences.

[PookaWitch]

Answered! :D

I started the Wayward Wanderers on Argonessen. (I wouldn't quite say 'guild leader' as 'guild owner'. XD )
Started... a couple of months after guild airships came out (I was busy for the summer. ^^; So I think it was September 2010?)
We're just about to hit level 60
Active Players... usually 2-4. (Myself and my husband most of the time.)



You guys sound exactly like my wife. Seriously.

I'm more the type of wife who goes "OMG! Play DDO with meeeee! It's been a couple of days, let's play." :D

[Captain_Pengie]

One more to add:

- How many times was your guild clobbered and had to be reformed due to server mergers of other issues out of player control?

I'm pretty sure mine had to restart twice; once because of a merger and again because some code got screwed up and we were deleted during an update. Our official start date in the system is thus going to be years later than the day we actually formed (which was during the headstart week way back in 2006).

How does this survey help anything? The age of a guild, how long it took to get to its current level (with or without resets), number of members etc is all pretty irrelevant. People will play in guilds of a size to fit their playstyle and take as long or as little time to level the guild as they deem necessary to assist that playstyle. You should not be trying to fit every player into a certain cookie cutter guild shape.

Instead you should be looking at how you can improve guilds by adding long needed changes to guild functionality. Things like:
- more guild ranks to distinguish between new recruits and longtime members who are not officers,
- security levels to control who can access guild chests or change airship amenities
- guild tabards or cloaks (man I'd love to see visible cloaks in this game; every other MMO else has them and we are waaayyy overdue)
- notes that can be added to player names in the guild panel to assign them as guild crafters, warn others of their guild infractions or other such functions
- More 'MOD' type functionality so you can put in guild descriptions and standing orders etc rather than just the one use-all panel.
- A way for the guild leader/officers to see how much a player has contributed to the guild instead of having to ask that player to read out their number and hope they are honest.

Instead of doing useless surveys just take a moment to look around at other games and you will see that DDO is far behind in guild functionality, particularly ones like RIFT and ESO which are guild rich. Unfortunately the best guild system was in a game now shut down (Warhammer Age of Reckoning) so you can't check it out, but even LOTRO has more guild functionality than DDO (albeit only marginally) and its your own product. Explore the competition instead of asking a few questions easily answered via a database query.

[Oliphant]

I'm so glad I don't get trolled at work all day by netfolk