[X] arrows no longer stack with [X burst] bow?

[brian14]

For as long as I remember, if I put elemental or alignment effect arrow into same effect bow, only one effect would proc -- but if the bow was of "burst" type, both would proc. For example, Flaming arrow in Flaming bow would cause only one fire damage number, but Flaming arrow in Flaming Burst bow would cause two -- or three on a crit. (Greensteel bows with Shocking Burst effect were one odd exception.)

That seems no longer the case. Yesterday I was using Frost arrows in Festival Icy Burst bow, and it seemed like there were too few damage icons. I tested it on a dummy and sure enough -- only one frost number, two on crits. I tested my greensteel bow of Ooze (Frost + Acid Burst). With plain arrows it shows one frost number and one acid (more on crits of course). With either Frost or Acid arrows -- exactly same. In the past Acid arrows used to stack.

Is this a bug or WAI? And if it is a bug, I wonder if it is related to the recent fixing of Arcane Archers?

[Oxarhamar]

For as long as I remember, if I put elemental or alignment effect arrow into same effect bow, only one effect would proc -- but if the bow was of "burst" type, both would proc. For example, Flaming arrow in Flaming bow would cause only one fire damage number, but Flaming arrow in Flaming Burst bow would cause two -- or three on a crit. (Greensteel bows with Shocking Burst effect were one odd exception.)

That seems no longer the case. Yesterday I was using Frost arrows in Festival Icy Burst bow, and it seemed like there were too few damage icons. I tested it on a dummy and sure enough -- only one frost number, two on crits. I tested my greensteel bow of Ooze (Frost + Acid Burst). With plain arrows it shows one frost number and one acid (more on crits of course). With either Frost or Acid arrows -- exactly same. In the past Acid arrows used to stack.

Is this a bug or WAI? And if it is a bug, I wonder if it is related to the recent fixing of Arcane Archers?

this is WAI only different effects on arrows should stack with the bow.

[Dandonk]

this is WAI only different effects on arrows should stack with the bow.

But they are different?

[brian14]

But they are different?
That's my point -- until recently "frost" and "icy burst" WERE different effects.

[Dandonk]

That's my point -- until recently "frost" and "icy burst" WERE different effects.

Indeed.

I've had intermittent issues with tod rings and wraps not stacking like they used to. Swapping wraps helped for a while, anyway. Not sure if it is related. Or why it is happening.

[Oxarhamar]

But they are different?

they apply the same effect on hit with an added effect on Critical

[Oxarhamar]

Frost
Effect: This weapon is sheathed in icy cold. A frost weapon deals an extra 1d6 of cold damage on a successful hit.

Icy Burst
Effect: This weapon is sheathed in icy cold. A frost weapon deals an extra 1d6 of cold damage on a successful hit. In addition, critical hits deal an additional 1d10 cold damage per critical multiplier above x1. Example: A weapon with a x4 critical multiplier deals an additional 3d10 cold damage on a critical hit.

[Impaqt]

its been like this since the first loot revamp. like 2 years ago.


the base effect of a "burst" effect is the same as the base effect. This is WAI and correct as far as most folks are concerned. use a different arrow.

[IronClan]

Frost
Effect: This weapon is sheathed in icy cold. A frost weapon deals an extra 1d6 of cold damage on a successful hit.

Icy Burst
Effect: This weapon is sheathed in icy cold. A frost weapon deals an extra 1d6 of cold damage on a successful hit. In addition, critical hits deal an additional 1d10 cold damage per critical multiplier above x1. Example: A weapon with a x4 critical multiplier deals an additional 3d10 cold damage on a critical hit.

Odd this is what I see:

Frost:
A frost weapon deals

Festival Frost:
A frost weapon deals

Icy Burst:
The weapon deals

Festival Icy Burst:
The weapon deals

Boreal:
A boreal Weapon deals

No mention or use of "frost" on either of the last three, and different versions of cold damage affixes have always stacked since they introduced them... And they even stacked on the same weapon back before Turbine accidentally allowed one to craft both old risia frost recipe 4/20 and Icy burst 5/20 on a weapon at the same time.

I would expect frost imbue AA toggle to stack with an icy burst weapon, and a Boreal, or Tidal or if you ever found one an Oceanic weapon. But I would not expect it to stack with a 4/20 festival frost weapon.

[Oxarhamar]

Odd this is what I see:

Frost:
A frost weapon deals

Festival Frost:
A frost weapon deals

Icy Burst:
The weapon deals

Festival Icy Burst:
The weapon deals

Boreal:
A boreal Weapon deals

No mention or use of "frost" on either of the last three, and different versions of cold damage affixes have always stacked since they introduced them... And they even stacked on the same weapon back before Turbine accidentally allowed one to craft both old risia frost recipe 4/20 and Icy burst 5/20 on a weapon at the same time.

I would expect frost imbue AA toggle to stack with an icy burst weapon, and a Boreal, or Tidal or if you ever found one an Oceanic weapon. But I would not expect it to stack with a 4/20 festival frost weapon.

Frost Arrows would actually stack with boreal, tidal, & Oceanic since its a different effect but, both burst effects deal the same damage as frost on hit.