How to full heal 20x per shrine without pots on a pure raged epic barb.

[Tilomere]

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[unbongwah]

Solution: HELF AA to unlock Energy of the Wild (https://www.ddo.com/forums/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=162) tier 1 ability which gives 180 base mana.
Clever idea: plus it grants Echoes of Power for free SP regen; Twist in Endless Faith and that bumps it from 12 to 30 SPs. It does chew up a lot of APs, though: 14 in HE tree to unlock AA, another 4 APs into AA for EotW.

[EllisDee37]

I believe that enhancement line only gives 100 total despite granting magical training. You get the echoes, but not the 80 spell points.

I could be wrong, though, and I hope I am, but my experience right after the enhancement pass was that you didn't get the extra 80.

[Cardtrick]

Clever idea: plus it grants Echoes of Power for free SP regen; Twist in Endless Faith and that bumps it from 12 to 30 SPs. It does chew up a lot of APs, though: 14 in HE tree to unlock AA, another 4 APs into AA for EotW.

Not to mention a lot of fate points and all 3 non-epic-completionist twist slots -- Consecrate, Sacred Ground, and Endless Faith.

At some point you have to ask yourself why you're insisting on playing a barbarian.

[Nodoze]

Pretty creative. Bites to have to stay in one place though for each cast until fully healed but a creative option for a Barbarian.

[unbongwah]

Not to mention a lot of fate points and all 3 non-epic-completionist twist slots -- Consecrate, Sacred Ground, and Endless Faith.
How is Divine Crusader for melee DPS? Seems more logical to use it as your primary ED if self-healing is your top priority - then you just want to twist Endless Faith for extra SPs - presuming, of course, that the DPS doesn't suck.

[axel15810]

At some point you have to ask yourself why you're insisting on playing a barbarian.

This.

Very creative idea and it will work, but chewing up so many AP, gear slots and twist slots is really hurting your DPS.

I'd rather just go with another class than make all those sacrifices.

And consecrated ground is OK, but it regens slowly so at the end of the day if you run EE, you'll still need burst healing from an outside source when mobs are hitting you for 150 a swing, your regen won't be able to keep up. Not to mention you lose all your healing if you step outside of the small area and this is a game where standing still in EE often equals death.

I've been playing around with Crusader lately and I couldn't image relying soley on consecrated group for healing. It would be painful.

[Arlathen]

Highly creative idea. I can see this working very well on splashed Barbs that have 4 divine levels for Ameliorating Strike as well. Would save the feat choice and the need for Helf/AA - which would then play extremely well into a Human build for Hamp. In fact, with a pair of TF Scimitars, Warpriest enhancements, Divine Crusader as primary Destiny......I just wonder if with Ravager you can have a 10-20 Crit Range TWF Crippling Flames Build? :)I tentavively call this build idea 'The Maniacal Zealot'...

[unbongwah]

I can see this working very well on splashed Barbs that have 4 divine levels for Ameliorating Strike as well.
At that point, though, you're no longer a pure barb and have strayed into Battleragers territory, which is a fairly different build. If you're not going for Death Frenzy and/or OS capstone, there's not much incentive in taking more than barb 12.

[wraxzz]

You found a solution to a problem not being addressed as it should. Good work, really.

BUT

I don't experience or feel that barbarians with devotion augments and epic twists for healing abilities are true to the way of barbs. It's starting to sound like a glorified monk-fighter thingamagik

[Khatzhas]

It is also a fairly effective demonstration of how badly off Barbarians are in that respect compared to most other classes: demonstrating the hoops that they need to jump through in terms of EDs, twist slots, item slots, races etc just to do something that many others can do better with far less effort.

Whether it was actually meant as such, I'm still not sure. There is definitely a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek. :-)

[painkiller3]

I wonder how mixing this with the dwarf occult slayer would work? You'd lose 20 healing amp, but I think the build allows for Great CON at level 24, which could make room for magical training. Others have said this wouldn't feel like a barb...this would be closer for me than a halfling 12 barb who stays out of rage to throw heal SLA :)

EH is not that hard, raids generally have a healer so this would just help out, and if you're in a tough EE with no healer and this isn't enough, you may need to practice or add on some paladin PL (good advice for all barbs) or some divine epic PL for more prr and devotion.

[Havok.cry]

ALTERNATE METHOD:
Play a bladeforged barbarian. It would take some reincarnating shenanigans, but you would not need to use up all your twists nor as much AP.

[Nodoze]

ALTERNATE METHOD:
Play a bladeforged barbarian. It would take some reincarnating shenanigans, but you would not need to use up all your twists nor as much AP.Are you sure a BladeForged Barbarian, while in a rage, can cast the SLA Reconstruct (Communion of Scribing)? I personally haven't tested it but while it would be a great solution if it worked I though I saw elsewhere that a barbarian rage also blocked this from being cast...

[Havok.cry]

Are you sure a BladeForged Barbarian, while in a rage, can cast the SLA Reconstruct (Communion of Scribing)? I personally haven't tested it but while it would be a great solution if it worked I though I saw elsewhere that a barbarian rage also blocked this from being cast...

Lol, no idea. I posted that more to be funny/sarcastic/snarky than to be serious. It would take something Like 6 +5 hearts and an alignment change in order to be one, so I don't think I will ever know (finding out doesn't seem worth the cost). Though I suppose someone less lazy than me could find out on lammania next time it is open.

[Darknark]

Are you sure a BladeForged Barbarian, while in a rage, can cast the SLA Reconstruct (Communion of Scribing)? I personally haven't tested it but while it would be a great solution if it worked I though I saw elsewhere that a barbarian rage also blocked this from being cast...


Lol, no idea. I posted that more to be funny/sarcastic/snarky than to be serious. It would take something Like 6 +5 hearts and an alignment change in order to be one, so I don't think I will ever know (finding out doesn't seem worth the cost). Though I suppose someone less lazy than me could find out on lammania next time it is open.


Does not work. I tested around release on lama.
That may have changed since with the changes to how SLA's function [when casting is prevented] but it is unlikely as the changes were made to further restrict SLA use.

[goodspeed]

It is also a fairly effective demonstration of how badly off Barbarians are in that respect compared to most other classes: demonstrating the hoops that they need to jump through in terms of EDs, twist slots, item slots, races etc just to do something that many others can do better with far less effort.

Whether it was actually meant as such, I'm still not sure. There is definitely a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek. :-)

Ha ya im sure the devs will be right on that one. To take care of that little ring of healing hope.

I'd just assumed like any other spell they couldn't cast er.



How is Divine Crusader for melee DPS? Seems more logical to use it as your primary ED if self-healing is your top priority - then you just want to twist Endless Faith for extra SPs - presuming, of course, that the DPS doesn't suck.


It's actually not to bad maxed out. The teir 5 core ability gives you a stacking 50 zeal (also stacks with pallys 10 zeal spell, and weapon double strike and the epic feat that gives doublestrike) that gives 50 doublestrike/doubleshot, +50 dmg and something else. Anyway it decreases by 1 every 3 seconds. Not to bad of a cooldown either. It's pretty nice.

Then theirs of course the ring of healing that also deals 50 fire 50 light every tick and is effected by devotion, fire, all that stuff. I get about 150hp a tick with 108 devotion, and 50% amp. Gives you some prr, hp and sp every level. Oh and the cleave that nails everything for 500 fire dmg it touches costs 5 sp.

It's almost like a jack of trades ED. Not top dps like LD or furys burst, but ok dps mixed with some dps and self healing.

It actually saves lives when I toss it and the other grp members crowd in for a 15 mob beat down.