Please clean up the Server forums from WTT treads tomorrow.

[Nestroy]

Shortly said, it is annoying to currently look upon the different Server forums with all the annoying WTT threads up. Understandable they are on but today it´s the last day. Please have them somehow cleaned up tomorrow... Thank you!

[ComicRelief]

Um, today is the last day to *ROLL* for new cards (at least, for this go-'round), but you can still trade and crunch cards 'indefinitely'.

You might be out-of-luck with your request.
;)

[Roland_D'Arabel]

Something the Devs should do for next time this event rolls ( :D ) around is make a new card trading sub-forum in all the server trade forums specifically to trade cards. This would at least remove all the spam threads from the regular trade forum so those not interested don't have to weed through it.

[Erofen]

Something the Devs should do for next time this event rolls ( :D ) around is make a new card trading sub-forum in all the server trade forums specifically to trade cards. This would at least remove all the spam threads from the regular trade forum so those not interested don't have to weed through it.
/signed

[Nestroy]

Something the Devs should do for next time this event rolls ( :D ) around is make a new card trading sub-forum in all the server trade forums specifically to trade cards. This would at least remove all the spam threads from the regular trade forum so those not interested don't have to weed through it.

/signed (with as many signatures I can legaly provide)

[Eth]

Why? You can still trade cards. There are just no new cards created from now on, until the next event.

[Coyopa]

Shortly said, it is annoying to currently look upon the different Server forums with all the annoying WTT threads up. Understandable they are on but today it´s the last day. Please have them somehow cleaned up tomorrow... Thank you!

Good luck with that since you can still trade and use cards from now until the servers get turned off.

[Cordovan]

Something the Devs should do for next time this event rolls ( :D ) around is make a new card trading sub-forum in all the server trade forums specifically to trade cards. This would at least remove all the spam threads from the regular trade forum so those not interested don't have to weed through it.

It seems like marketplace forums are the right place for marketplace-related posts. That said, I have been kicking around the idea of creating a cross-server trade forum, which would address the current practice of putting up a cross-trade thread in every server marketplace forum. If there's enough interest, I'll make that change.

[DemonStorm333]

It seems like marketplace forums are the right place for marketplace-related posts. That said, I have been kicking around the idea of creating a cross-server trade forum, which would address the current practice of putting up a cross-trade thread in every server marketplace forum. If there's enough interest, I'll make that change.

please do

[Earthbound Misfit]

It seems like marketplace forums are the right place for marketplace-related posts. That said, I have been kicking around the idea of creating a cross-server trade forum, which would address the current practice of putting up a cross-trade thread in every server marketplace forum. If there's enough interest, I'll make that change.


Would surely foster global trading

erm, on a side note, any chance of removing all posts with 'akamai' in them? it has gotten right up my nose to see so many unrelated threads have this issue tossed in :) ty

[RedOrm]

It seems like marketplace forums are the right place for marketplace-related posts. That said, I have been kicking around the idea of creating a cross-server trade forum, which would address the current practice of putting up a cross-trade thread in every server marketplace forum. If there's enough interest, I'll make that change.

Yes please. I would have loved that for this event, and would love it again for similar future events :)

Greetz,
Red Orm

[Nestroy]

It seems like marketplace forums are the right place for marketplace-related posts. That said, I have been kicking around the idea of creating a cross-server trade forum, which would address the current practice of putting up a cross-trade thread in every server marketplace forum. If there's enough interest, I'll make that change.
Yes, please, Cordovan!

[Nestroy]

Would surely foster global trading

erm, on a side note, any chance of removing all posts with 'akamai' in them? it has gotten right up my nose to see so many unrelated threads have this issue tossed in :) ty

Except for one single thread quoting that with U21.1 all that want to deinstall the NetSession client can safely do so.

[FranOhmsford]

I have been kicking around the idea of creating a cross-server trade forum, which would address the current practice of putting up a cross-trade thread in every server marketplace forum. If there's enough interest, I'll make that change.

Now you've said it you must do it!

Such an obvious fix.

[rest]

It seems like marketplace forums are the right place for marketplace-related posts. That said, I have been kicking around the idea of creating a cross-server trade forum, which would address the current practice of putting up a cross-trade thread in every server marketplace forum. If there's enough interest, I'll make that change.

Please do.

[Gremmlynn]

It seems like marketplace forums are the right place for marketplace-related posts. That said, I have been kicking around the idea of creating a cross-server trade forum, which would address the current practice of putting up a cross-trade thread in every server marketplace forum. If there's enough interest, I'll make that change.Without mechanics that protect the integrity of cross server trades I would stick to not supporting them in any way in your position personally. Even with a disclaimer, some people are going to expect Turbine to police any trades set up on a cross server trade forum.

[rest]

Without mechanics that protect the integrity of cross server trades I would stick to not supporting them in any way in your position personally. Even with a disclaimer, some people are going to expect Turbine to police any trades set up on a cross server trade forum.

There's still danger trading even on your own server.

[Cordovan]

Without mechanics that protect the integrity of cross server trades I would stick to not supporting them in any way in your position personally. Even with a disclaimer, some people are going to expect Turbine to police any trades set up on a cross server trade forum.

We don't police in-server trades, either, never have, so that would continue whether discussing one-server or cross-server trades.

[Fedora1]

It seems like marketplace forums are the right place for marketplace-related posts. That said, I have been kicking around the idea of creating a cross-server trade forum, which would address the current practice of putting up a cross-trade thread in every server marketplace forum. If there's enough interest, I'll make that change.

Great idea. Link it from here when you do please! :)

[Gremmlynn]

We don't police in-server trades, either, never have, so that would continue whether discussing one-server or cross-server trades.The trade window does so. I put in item A and don't hit accept until I see item B I'm trading for in their window. Any changes to either window cause accepts to be reset.

[Fedora1]

The trade window does so. I put in item A and don't hit accept until I see item B I'm trading for in their window. Any changes to either window cause accepts to be reset.

And if you click "accept" before the other player puts his stuff in, and then refuses to give you what you were trading for, Turbine will not intervene. So while it has a built-in safe guard, it will not prevent poor user judgement, clicking too soon, or dishonest players from trying to cheat you. No matter the reason, Turbine won't police in-server trades. So the policy and/or disclaimer remains the same.

[Thumbed_Servant]

It seems like marketplace forums are the right place for marketplace-related posts. That said, I have been kicking around the idea of creating a cross-server trade forum, which would address the current practice of putting up a cross-trade thread in every server marketplace forum. If there's enough interest, I'll make that change.

Oooo....yes, please give this a try. Expect that it might not see much use until another event like the Anniversary Collectable Card event, but better to have it set and ready beforehand :)

[EllisDee37]

It seems like marketplace forums are the right place for marketplace-related posts. That said, I have been kicking around the idea of creating a cross-server trade forum, which would address the current practice of putting up a cross-trade thread in every server marketplace forum. If there's enough interest, I'll make that change.Speaking as someone who has never even opened up a marketplace forum (meaning I truly don't care either way), this sounds like an excellent idea.

[Thumbed_Servant]

We don't police in-server trades, either, never have, so that would continue whether discussing one-server or cross-server trades.

There would be no practical way for Turbine to police trades between players, nor should they. That would take more time and resources that we would rather them use in working on the game, and lead to a lot of trouble for Turbine as you just can't make all the people happy all the time.

MOST people will be honorable in such trades. Case in point: I did cross server trading on all 7 other servers, and the other people were all very honorable and we mailed each other cards EVERY day. Many other players also had similar experiences. That said, there is always risk in making trades outside of utilizing the in-game trade window and there is the chance of someone cheating another. Sometimes we have to take the risk, and occasionally get cheated, to overall enjoy the benefits of trading with others.

[Cordovan]

The Cross-Server Trading and Marketplace forums are now open. (https://www.ddo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/295-Cross-Server-Trading-and-Marketplace)

[Gremmlynn]

And if you click "accept" before the other player puts his stuff in, and then refuses to give you what you were trading for, Turbine will not intervene. So while it has a built-in safe guard, it will not prevent poor user judgement, clicking too soon, or dishonest players from trying to cheat you. No matter the reason, Turbine won't police in-server trades. So the policy and/or disclaimer remains the same.Hey, just giving my opinion of where my comfort zone would be in their position. The trade interface would make me comfortable sponsoring trade forums for server trades. Lack of a cross server trade interface would mean I wouldn't put one up for cross server trades as it could to easily be seen as supporting those who use it to scam others (especially with forum rules that don't allow scam artist from being called out).

Basically someone could put up a "WTT trade my (nonexistent) card X on server A for your card X on server B" to generate as many cards as there are suckers willing to go first and not even have to worry about the suckers being able to point out to others that it is a scam. While that can be done now, Turbine has the option of saying they in no way support cross server trades that don't benefit from the protection of a properly used trade interface. Putting up a forum specifically for that purpose would be supporting unsafe trades.

[RedOrm]

The Cross-Server Trading and Marketplace forums are now open. (https://www.ddo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/295-Cross-Server-Trading-and-Marketplace)

Woot! Thank you very much! :D

Greetz,
Red Orm

[wayreth602]

The Cross-Server Trading and Marketplace forums are now open. (https://www.ddo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/295-Cross-Server-Trading-and-Marketplace)

Cool and thanks.

[Fedora1]

Hey, just giving my opinion of where my comfort zone would be in their position. The trade interface would make me comfortable sponsoring trade forums for server trades. Lack of a cross server trade interface would mean I wouldn't put one up for cross server trades as it could to easily be seen as supporting those who use it to scam others (especially with forum rules that don't allow scam artist from being called out).

Basically someone could put up a "WTT trade my (nonexistent) card X on server A for your card X on server B" to generate as many cards as there are suckers willing to go first and not even have to worry about the suckers being able to point out to others that it is a scam. While that can be done now, Turbine has the option of saying they in no way support cross server trades that don't benefit from the protection of a properly used trade interface. Putting up a forum specifically for that purpose would be supporting unsafe trades.

I agree cross-server trading is more risky. However, the point is that they currently do not intervene for in-server trading, yet they have a forum for it (and a UI), which by your reasoning would lead somone to suspect that if you do in-server trading and get scammed, Turbine could be expected to step in. Which they won't do.

So why would cross-server trade sub-forums be any different?

[Tscheuss]

I agree cross-server trading is more risky. However, the point is that they currently do not intervene for in-server trading, yet they have a forum for it (and a UI), which by your reasoning would lead somone to suspect that if you do in-server trading and get scammed, Turbine could be expected to step in. Which they won't do.

So why would cross-server trade sub-forums be any different?

Because they do provide a control for intra-server trades (the trade UI), but they have yet to provide a similar control for inter-server trades. Trust and/or reputation is far more important for cross-server trading. :)

[SirValentine]

The Cross-Server Trading and Marketplace forums are now open. (https://www.ddo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/295-Cross-Server-Trading-and-Marketplace)

Excellent. Though I suppose it would be asking too much to move all the existing cross-server threads there instead of clogging up our server-specific forums?

[Cordovan]

Excellent. Though I suppose it would be asking too much to move all the existing cross-server threads there instead of clogging up our server-specific forums?

I considered it. It could certainly be done (create a whole sub-section for Marketplace forums, and move the server-specific marketplace forums to it.) I can see a plus and minus for it, one minus being that people are probably used to checking out the marketplace forums where they currently sit. It's a bit more work, but definitely doable. Will have to think about it.

Would folks rather have their Server Forum -> Marketplace Forum or have Marketplace Forums -> By Server and Cross Trade?

[wayreth602]

I considered it. It could certainly be done (create a while sub-section for Marketplace forums, and move the server-specific marketplace forums to it.) I can see a plus and minus for it, one minus being that people are probably used to checking out the marketplace forums where they currently sit. It's a bit more work, but definitely doable. Will have to think about it.

Would folks rather have their Server Forum -> Marketplace Forum or have Marketplace Forums -> By Server and Cross Trade?

One forum would probably be all that would be needed for cross server trades. Looking in one place for trades would be easier. Leaving the Marketplace forums as they are since people are used to that might be best. Just my thoughts, others might disagree.

[EllisDee37]

I considered it. It could certainly be done (create a while sub-section for Marketplace forums, and move the server-specific marketplace forums to it.) I can see a plus and minus for it, one minus being that people are probably used to checking out the marketplace forums where they currently sit. It's a bit more work, but definitely doable. Will have to think about it.

Would folks rather have their Server Forum -> Marketplace Forum or have Marketplace Forums -> By Server and Cross Trade?The poster you quoted wasn't asking for either of these changes you propose, but you do bring up a fair question.

The poster you quoted was asking for a bit of housecleaning in the form of moving the existing threads into the new forum. Threads like the following from the Argo marketplace, but there are plenty in all marketplace forums:

Cross Server Trade, My Argo cards for your Khyber Cards (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/440218-Cross-Server-Trade-My-Argo-cards-for-your-Khyber-Cards)

WTT cards - my Argo I-VIII's for your Ghallanda I-VIII's (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/439987-WTT-cards-my-Argo-I-VIII-s-for-your-Ghallanda-I-VIII-s)

Cards and "Tan-striped Pseadodragon certificate" here for cards on Sarlona. (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/440202-Cards-and-quot-Tan-striped-Pseadodragon-certificate-quot-here-for-cards-on-Sarlona)

[peng]

I considered it. It could certainly be done (create a while sub-section for Marketplace forums, and move the server-specific marketplace forums to it.) I can see a plus and minus for it, one minus being that people are probably used to checking out the marketplace forums where they currently sit. It's a bit more work, but definitely doable. Will have to think about it.

Would folks rather have their Server Forum -> Marketplace Forum or have Marketplace Forums -> By Server and Cross Trade?

My vote is for Marketplace Forums -> By Server and Cross Trade

[Cordovan]

The poster you quoted wasn't asking for either of these changes you propose, but you do bring up a fair question.

The poster you quoted was asking for a bit of housecleaning in the form of moving the existing threads into the new forum. Threads like the following from the Argo marketplace, but there are plenty in all marketplace forums:

Cross Server Trade, My Argo cards for your Khyber Cards (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/440218-Cross-Server-Trade-My-Argo-cards-for-your-Khyber-Cards)

WTT cards - my Argo I-VIII's for your Ghallanda I-VIII's (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/439987-WTT-cards-my-Argo-I-VIII-s-for-your-Ghallanda-I-VIII-s)

Cards and "Tan-striped Pseadodragon certificate" here for cards on Sarlona. (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/440202-Cards-and-quot-Tan-striped-Pseadodragon-certificate-quot-here-for-cards-on-Sarlona)

Indeed, sorry I misread the post originally. I am hesitant to spend the time it would take to move over all of those threads, but if there's a need for it I can.

[wayreth602]

Indeed, sorry I misread the post originally. I am hesitant to spend the time it would take to move over all of those threads, but if there's a need for it I can.

It would likely make things easier if you did move them. That way people could just look in the one place.

[EllisDee37]

Would it be reasonably quick to just move the obvious ones currently on the first page of each forum and call it good enough?

EDIT: Also, and this idea may be much more work, you know how in the classes forums you can (or used to be able to) specify a class in your thread title using a dropdown? Like how in the spellcasters forum you could pick Wizard from the dropdown. Would it make sense to add a server dropdown in the new forum to specify what server you're on?

So like if I (an Argo guy) want to post for cards in the cross-server forum, I could select Argo from the dopdown, letting people know at a glance that if they're also on Argo they can safely skip my thread?

Just spitballing, really. I have no idea if that would be a good idea or how much of a pain it would be to implement.

[Seikojin]

Depending on their admin controls, I could see moving any thread a pain and time intensive task.

[Munkenmo]

Indeed, sorry I misread the post originally. I am hesitant to spend the time it would take to move over all of those threads, but if there's a need for it I can.

If you give me moderator powers I'd be happy to carry this task out for you.

[droid327]

Trade forums tend to move fast enough that, within a couple days, trade posts are obsolete and its not worth the time and effort to retroactively clean up, just police new posts moving forward...

As for security of cross-server trades, why cant the playerbase police themselves? There are large and respected guilds on every server, and I'm sure the social community on each server can give you a short list. Why not just coordinate for an "escrow service" that will function as an erstwhile trade window for cross-server trades? You give your item to a trusted third party on both servers, those third parties signal that both sides have complied with the agreed-upon trade, and then they release the items to their proper recipients (and charge a small fee, if they want).

[Ungood]

Something the Devs should do for next time this event rolls ( :D ) around is make a new card trading sub-forum in all the server trade forums specifically to trade cards. This would at least remove all the spam threads from the regular trade forum so those not interested don't have to weed through it.

Perhaps a "Festival" sub form, so we can talk abut the Festival (whatever one is currently going on) there.

With a "Festival" Sub Forum, we would have a single spot where we can complain about Mabar Lag, or how skewed the rewards for the egg hurt are, if we are looking for groups in Crystal Cove, or whatever it is that going wrong (or right) with the current festival, all in one neat spot, and not junk up the main forum.

[NaturalHazard]

a lot of people want to trade treads of falling shadow?