Most hated on Classes.

[Holleyz]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing so why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people? I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.

[Azarddoze]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing so why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people? I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.

Everyone can do pretty much everything that you described. Minus the kiting. That's why we love them better.

J/k, I hate kiters (unless it's necessary) but I have/had no idea there was a hate toward Rangers AA in 2014.

[redspecter23]

we kite mobs for you

I'd imagine that non ranged toons don't like this too much. I personally don't care, but if you're kiting a lot of stuff to the point that your melee buddies have to chase stuff around, that would get annoying.

[Azarddoze]

I know it's not a thread about kiting but...

If you're going to kite, tell the group that you will, say, always get the mob on the left side. Or caster first. Or even a whole room while they keep going. JUST CALL IT! And take care of it alone.

If kiters would do that, I (and I bet most) wouldn't mind. Simple communication can go a long way in this case. More effectiveness and less annoyed players (hint: humans).

[Lonnbeimnech]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes?

This is one thing.



why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people?

This is another.


I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.

And this is your reason why.

[Brattyone]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing so why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people? I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.


I'm also a girl who plays a pure AA ranger, and I'd like to think I do a decent job of it. So with that said, I haven't encountered any negativity like you've described. So I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it is something you're doing that brings it on.If you want information on how to play your toon better, just ask. But complaining about things without asking for advice on here will more than likely produce a number of negative comments. I will also say that you do before you think. That whole knee-jerk reaction again.

[Memnir]

Is it really the class?

[Son_of_the_South]

I know it's not a thread about kiting but...

If you're going to kite, tell the group that you will, say, always get the mob on the left side. Or caster first. Or even a whole room while they keep going. JUST CALL IT! And take care of it alone.

If kiters would do that, I (and I bet most) wouldn't mind. Simple communication can go a long way in this case. More effectiveness and less annoyed players (hint: humans).

+1 to this. Straight up melee toons get frustrated when they have to run after MOBs. If you can kite, handle the aggro and dispatch MOBs with the same efficiency as anyone else in the party, go for it. I tend to just move on with the expectation that the kiter can do all the aforementioned. If they cant and i have to go back and retrieve their stone, I get frustrated. If you cant handle the agrro, change tact; wait till your target has been engaged and then provide support fire from the back. Unless you have the wherewithal to handle it, be cautious and communicate to the rest of the party, as mentioned by Azarddoze.

[badbob117]

It has nothing to do with kiting and pewpewing and everything to do with The Ring of Thelis! It is a old Argo thing. Ha! ;)

[TheLegendOfAra]

I'm also a girl who plays a pure AA ranger, and I'd like to think I do a decent job of it. So with that said, I haven't encountered any negativity like you've described. So I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it is something you're doing that brings it on. From my perspective, it just looks like you're whining. If you want information on how to play your toon better, just ask. But complaining about things without asking for advice on here will more than likely produce a number of negative comments. I will also say that you do before you think. That whole knee-jerk reaction again.

Pretty much this OP. I'm also a girl so nothing against you at all(I don't know you, or recognize the name), but I've been playing a Ranger for nearing 5 years now. Much of that time was spent on a first life Pure Ranger, AA. Rangers have it easy now compared to when I started. I rarely hear about rangers being turned down for raids just because the icon anymore. I was once told, "You're the only Ranger I'll ever let into my raids." Which says something about how the class used to be looked at. It's not that way anymore for the most part.

If you're a new player, and you're playing a ranger and getting slack for it there is probably a good reason for it. Look at your tactics, the way you play in a group vs. how you play solo. Don't quit, just learn to improve and if people are being outright rude to you ignore them, or /squelch 'em. But if it's just honest advice, I'd say look into it. It may just make you a better player.



It has nothing to do with kiting and pewpewing and everything to do with The Ring of Thelis! It is a old Argo thing. Ha! ;)

Oh gods, died laughing. I love you for this.
+1,000,000

[Qhualor]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing so why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people? I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.

who cares what others think about the class/build you chose to play. the last place you want to get any advice is the forums, which is sad because there are some people here who seem to actually play DDO and have an understanding of the general population. you just have to filter them out as you get more experience in the game knowing the difference between forum "fact" and in game "fact". unfortunately, you have to have thick skin to post on the forums, but you should take most things here with a grain of salt.

[Impaqt]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing so why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people? I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.

So in a couple weeks of play, youve determined that everyone hates monkchers and aa rangers?

That cool. After 8 years, I can't say the same.

Builds come and go. People don't hate builds.
I don't know you at all, you seem nice enough here on the forums. What exactly makes you think people hate aa rangers or monkchers?

[jaegarnel]

Tbh, coming from a VoN 5 run where the monkcher got the aggro of the golem end boss and kept kiting it around despite most of the group being melees who kept telling him to stop, I can understand that many people dislike kiting classes, or at least those players who play them badly.

OTOH, that's all about a player's style of play. If you play an archer, don't keep getting the aggro of mobs by shooting them way before melees reach it then kite them around for 5 min while plinking away. That's boring, and other players are right to be annoyed.
Most people who play archers are decent and know when to kite or not to kite, though. There's no hate for AAs that I've noticed, and most of the monkcher hate is only present on the forum.

[Veriden]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing so why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people? I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.


I don't dislike builds, heck including those with bard, barbarian, or paladin levels. It isn't -that- you kite it is -how- you kite. If you're kiting mobs to lessen strain for a healer while melees handle heavier hitting foes that is one thing, or kiting casters. I bet you'd get a bit more positive responses if you did two things for kiting.

1.) Target casters or other archers. Moving benefits you a lot more against these types of foes b/c range has a different mechanic rather than being where you were when the attack was launched to where you are when they aimed and sent the arrow allowing you much greater chance at being missed. Both of these types of foes don't tend to move much.

2.) Kite melee mobs towards the melee characters. Make your teammates your blade barrier kite in tight circles to allow your melee buddies the advantage of striking something they can reach. If all else fails, quick 'quip a shield and hold shift till agro is off of you. Reposition yourself at a distance when agro shifts then by that time they should have enough agro for you to pop your many shot or a slayer arrow.

[Alfhild]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? .
How do we known that ALL the other classes hate Monkchers? If you are a Monkcher who TRs into another build, do you start to hate your former self? If you log onto an alt who is a Pally, do you suddenly froth at the mouth when you see your monkcher at the character select screen? Is a class who you are? or is it what you play?


why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people?
I have seen some of your posts; some people are slamming you, some have offered you VERY good advice.
The one thing I have noticed is that you have strong beliefs as to what a Ranger is. When you phrase your beliefs as an absolute as opposed to a preference you engender negativity
Compare: "A Ranger is supposed to be the best archer in the game" as opposed to "I play Rangers because I feel they are the best Archers in the game."
Also note that some folks really have an issue with equating Ranger with Ranged because it caters to the popular misconception that the word Ranger (which dates from the late Middle Ages) is derived from the word Ranged (in the sense of Ranged Combat).

Ask for advice in the Ranger class forum. Based on your one post where you said you were wearing a bunch of non-stacking resist gear, you need some advice, and I am not being rude when I say this, just factual.
Be positive when writing and folks will respond positively.

[Jasparion]

I don't know you at all, you seem nice enough here on the forums. What exactly makes you think people hate aa rangers or monkchers?

Subscribed to Teh_Troll's Twitter feed.

[AzB]

The kiting thing is a bit irritating for casters too. I'll throw down an earthquake or disco ball and watch the kiters drag all the trash into the next room with the melees chasing after.

If you kite them through the disco ball or earthquake or simply wait a couple seconds for a melee to get aggro or a caster to engage some cc, it cuts down on the running around for everyone. ;)

And aoes are a lot less effective when trying to target mobs running all over and getting scattered around.

But it's not enough to make me hate anyone.

[Fhauvial]

Also note that some folks really have an issue with equating Ranger with Ranged because it caters to the popular misconception that the word Ranger (which dates from the late Middle Ages) is derived from the word Ranged (in the sense of Ranged Combat).



This. Also, here's a good read on the origin of the Ranger class:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranger_%28Dungeons_%26_Dragons%29#Creative_origins

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be the best archers. Just look at some of the archetypes that influenced the class. If built properly and specialized in ranged combat, they probably should excel at it more than other classes, especially in a wilderness.

[Dj_Fisty]

More then likely you have a name like xxNAMExx OR You cause people to die OR a PIKER!!!! lol...
My suggestion is this, "Try joining a guild." and if you are in one and they arn't helping you sounds like you need new one! hahahahha.

Edit* xxNAMExx mostly means your new or a troll in sarlona not sure about other servers

[Nestroy]

Hate for classes... I do not hate classes. AA has got the bugfixes needed. Exploiting stopped. So it would be save to assume AAs will get less hate in the weeks to come. The general suspect of AAs exploiting definitively has no base any more.

As on Eternal Sorc and Monkchers... Well, this is not exploiting per se since it is just picking the best from several classes and EDs and combining into something new and very powerful. As long as this is not stated otherwise by Turbine, this is to be considered WAI. But I understand players trying to get their pure classes and trying to get their other splashes going only to find out they still trail behind these two builds. Got better with U21 and the DC supporting gear now available. We currently have several different builds that are quite powerful. So generally speaking there should be less hate for the former alone-on-top builds.

The monk class generally gets some flame. Why? Because it´s the best class to splash with. And there are some classes (Barb, Bard) that cannot be splashed with the monk. Well, at that, like it or hate it, it´s the rules and seems to be WAI, so perhaps better to get over this and enjoy the game.

[FuzzyDuck81]

TBH it's only really the kiting that annoys me - you've got 4 or 5 other party members there who can help you finish that last 1 or 2 enemies in about 3seconds flat & continue onwards, just so long as you STAND STILL SO WE CAN CATCH UP AND HIT THEM!

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

Maybe give yourself enough time to learn how people play?


we kite mobs for you

Sometimes kiting is fine, but those times usually involve blade barriers or firewalls. If you're causing melee to chase mobs, you're not making friends.

[Lallajulia]

first, you should not personalize your game toons with yourself. if someone do not like you playing style, it does not mean someone do not like you PERSON. i have game friend, he like play like turtle. that style of play just killing me. i like run like wind, get many mob aggro and aoe, cc, slash, hack whoo whaa etc.:) i can chat with him half hour, but i do not like play with him. so. it is not about person dislike.

now about kiting.
kiting... yeah. thats one of main reason i do not play melee builds much. i hate stare at mobs back. nothing to look at. boring.
my rog toon bio says... and goblin chase archer and brawler chase goblin and healer chase brawler and rog leaves dungeon. got an idea? this style kills any fun for others than archer/kiter, except maybe casters. and even then, when archer start aggro before enchanter set cc ruins many, many simple, fast, nice cc`ed fights into everyone chasing eachother.
but i feel it is now changed. all this byoh stuff means if archer(ranged) wants kite, let him kite, others just go ahead and leave two lovers for their arrow dance.

[In_Like_Flynn]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing so why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people? I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.That escalated quickly.

[fool101]

hmm,

although it doesn't appear to be the true intent of the thread, I think barbs are the most 'hated on' class. At least on the forums. But not for the same reason as the kiting classes. Barbs are simply stereotyped as gimp.

[Chai]

People got so caught up in their beloved ranger hate from 2006-2011 or so that it just continues forward even after they became more powerful. :p

[Rykka]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing so why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people? I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.

With monchers the haters tend to focus on the overall cheapness* of the class combos. as well as the kiting.

I think there was some of the same bad fjeals directed towards AA (ranger or racial) because of the arrow imbue toggle bug. Caster fans didn't like the idea of someone else doing spell like damage and effects with infinite ammo.

With melee players, most of the hate is directed at the kiting; it's tremendously annoying to chase after monsters as a melee because it destroys your DPS. Which is why I won't bother. If some AA is kiting all the critters away from my melee they obviously won't mind me piking or just moving on.

* http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cheap&defid=1256751

[Hathorian]

I think the most hated 'class' is 'casters'. Especially shiradi casters. People just love to hate them.

[Cardtrick]

Hardly anyone has any special hate for rangers, as has been said.

I think there are two reasons you're seeing a lot of negativity:

1. You're hanging out on the Player Character Balance thread. There is a lot of bad blood any time the question of nerfs comes up. People get a little crazy, and go way over the top in their descriptions of things. Most of what's being discussed there will never happen. It is fine to comment there, but don't let it affect your impression of the game. Take a break from that thread if it starts to get you down.

2. You post things like this:


Oh Really? Well I am fairly new. I am also female so it takes me a little more time to learn to be a power creep like most you men are.

I don't know why you feel the need to reference being a girl in every thread you post in. It's annoying. Why should your gender matter in any of these discussions? It reads like you're trying to get extra sympathy from everyone by telling them you're a girl. Which is unpleasant for everyone, especially including other female players who don't do that sort of thing and feel like it reflects badly on them. I'm honestly half convinced that you're trolling.

[Qhualor]

hmm,

although it doesn't appear to be the true intent of the thread, I think barbs are the most 'hated on' class. At least on the forums. But not for the same reason as the kiting classes. Barbs are simply stereotyped as gimp.

Barbs are hated on because of the lack of defense and self healing. People find ways like LRs and Otto's to get through a past life as quickly as possible. I hear a lot of complaints they don't like relying on pots and some make Frankenstein builds for better self healing. When someone says barbs are gimp, I know they are either not serious or failed at building one.

[Kawai]

for best results imbue Terror arrows & cycle targets.
;)

[Cardtrick]

for best results imbue Terror arrows & cycle targets.
;)

Then, take off running while followed by the enemies who you haven't manage to send running feared in random directions. Use whatever +Threat gear you can to grab maximum aggro. Be sure to remove defenses so that the enemies eventually kill you way out of everyone's way. Bonus points if the enemies you're fearing or kiting away are required kills.

[arkonas]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing so why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people? I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.

ok for the negative part you are going to need to buck up. grow a thicker skin. negativity is in all multiplayer games. it doesn't matter what game you go to. it will be there. so you need to just deal with it or ignore them with that functions in most games.

as for kiting. this is a huge pet peeve of mine if you're a ranged or caster toon. Reason i say this is because most who grab it tend to run away or run behind casters, run from melee, don't run into aoe spells. etc. they just keep running. they don't bring the group back to the melee. this is why people will get ****ed at you. we all want to play a role but make sure you work well with others. if you're going to kite DON"T run behind casters, use aoe, run to the melee, and for pete sake. DO NOT grab all of them and run around.


Pretty much this OP. I'm also a girl so nothing against you at all(I don't know you, or recognize the name), but I've been playing a Ranger for nearing 5 years now. Much of that time was spent on a first life Pure Ranger, AA. Rangers have it easy now compared to when I started. I rarely hear about rangers being turned down for raids just because the icon anymore. I was once told, "You're the only Ranger I'll ever let into my raids." Which says something about how the class used to be looked at. It's not that way anymore for the most part.

If you're a new player, and you're playing a ranger and getting slack for it there is probably a good reason for it. Look at your tactics, the way you play in a group vs. how you play solo. Don't quit, just learn to improve and if people are being outright rude to you ignore them, or /squelch 'em. But if it's just honest advice, I'd say look into it. It may just make you a better player.




Oh gods, died laughing. I love you for this.
+1,000,000



ok i can say ara is a great ranger :) partied with her many times. she can work well with groups.



so op if you keep doing the things i mentioned yeah people will continue to hate on you and the class.

[Rykka]

for best results imbue Terror arrows & cycle targets.
;)

I actually ran with an AA that did this. Much preferable to kiting. Lol.

[Nestroy]

for best results imbue Terror arrows & cycle targets.
;)

Isn´t that a form of kiting, actually? Negative kiting - not you running away from your foes, but your foes running away from you. :P

[Kawai]

Isn´t that a form of kiting, actually? Negative kiting - not you running away from your foes, but your foes running away from you. :P

no, actually.
its just good wholesome entertainment.
:)

swing away Earl!

[TheLegendOfAra]

ok i can say ara is a great ranger :) partied with her many times. she can work well with groups.
Thanks! :)

One this I would advise is that when kiting the vast majority of mobs in the game you don't have to run constantly backwards like most people do.

Most mobs have a specific attack animation that is pretty slow, so you stand still wait for the "tell" in the attack animation and take a couple steps back. The mob will miss, you're effectively "kiting" the mob and not taking damage, but you're not enraging the rest of your party. It takes a lot of practice to get down right, and you really have to pay attention to every mob you face, not just rednames. Not the most advisable tactic for EE, but workable if you knows which mobs to use it on and which not too, IE. Trolls/Ogres have an attack that hits 3 times in a row very quickly and this tactic is poor against them as if you're not perfect in execution you will die. Drow trash mobs are a better fit to use it against because they attack slower, and they stop attacking melee if they get enough room they will whip out thee hand-crossbows and fire which can easily be dodged.

Kiting in tight circles works wonderfully as well. I used to practice doing this is the small rooms in the GH quests(Cry for Help lever rooms, Cabal for One redname rooms) since these are almost the right size. Basically jumping/circle strafing in these rooms while you fight the mobs will give you as close to optimized kiting as you can get. You kite, take little damage, and you keep the mobs tightly packed together and it makes it really easy for a melee toon to come in cleave a few times and DPS the mobs while also taking little damage/pull agro if that's what is needed.

Just a couple of examples of things you can try out that may or may not improve your play, ability, and help to dissolve some of that hate you're getting.

[Nightmanis]

ok i can say ara is a great ranger :) partied with her many times. she can work well with groups.



so op if you keep doing the things i mentioned yeah people will continue to hate on you and the class.

There you gone and done it now. She doesn't need her ego stroked anymore that it already is. With Cetus and Zoda on our server, there's already not a lot of breathing room left ;P

<3 you Ara :D

[Nightmanis]

Thanks! :)

One this I would advise is that when kiting the vast majority of mobs in the game you don't have to run constantly backwards like most people do.

Most mobs have a specific attack animation that is pretty slow, so you stand still wait for the "tell" in the attack animation and take a couple steps back. The mob will miss, you're effectively "kiting" the mob and not taking damage, but you're not enraging the rest of your party. It takes a lot of practice to get down right, and you really have to pay attention to every mob you face, not just rednames. Not the most advisable tactic for EE, but workable if you knows which mobs to use it on and which not too, IE. Trolls/Ogres have an attack that hits 3 times in a row very quickly and this tactic is poor against them as if you're not perfect in execution you will die. Drow trash mobs are a better fit to use it against because they attack slower, and they stop attacking melee if they get enough room they will whip out thee hand-crossbows and fire which can easily be dodged.

Kiting in tight circles works wonderfully as well. I used to practice doing this is the small rooms in the GH quests(Cry for Help lever rooms, Cabal for One redname rooms) since these are almost the right size. Basically jumping/circle strafing in these rooms while you fight the mobs will give you as close to optimized kiting as you can get. You kite, take little damage, and you keep the mobs tightly packed together and it makes it really easy for a melee toon to come in cleave a few times and DPS the mobs while also taking little damage/pull agro if that's what is needed.

Just a couple of examples of things you can try out that may or may not improve your play, ability, and help to dissolve some of that hate you're getting.

Best idea:

Terror arrows, and close the door. Then small circle kiting, until everything is running around panicked and you can just pick them off one by one.

[TheLegendOfAra]

There you gone and done it now. She doesn't need her ego stroked anymore that it already is. With Cetus and Zoda on our server, there's already not a lot of breathing room left ;P

<3 you Ara :D

And now there is none left. :p
*ahem* Would you like to see my Epeen? It's very impressive.


Best idea:
Terror arrows, and close the door. Then small circle kiting, until everything is running around panicked and you can just pick them off one by one.

lmao, well, that's certainly an idea about how to do it.
Not the best, or even a good one mind you. But it is an idea.
<3

Honestly, the best way to play a Ranger is to cleave to victory.
There is never enough to cleave.

[Ladislaio]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing so why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people? I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.

Simple answer is they are not being nice :P

Are you playing heroics? People really hate kiting in heroics, because(esp at lower levels) you can dps mobs down in melee faster than they can dps the party, so they get upset when someone doesn't play that way. Although they give the skill 'intimidate' for people who don't want things to run away from them, people rarely use it in that way.

By the time you get to endgame (read: EE HH, new raids) people don't like not kiting that much, because not kiting is a good way to get killed.

Hope you find people you like running with better,
MONKCHER AND PROUD

[oldkraft2]

my rangers having mostly soloed - now round level 15ish - did only start to use ranged attacks for the most part after level 8-10. Before that it ws obvious way faster to cut through the mobs w a two-weapon fighting setup.
Somewhat like the wizies that carry a greataxe in the first 5-6 levels siimply to save mana . slighty slower there, but better than no mana and an evocation Club.
Not all classes are fullblown from the start. A barb is a barb is a barb ofc :-D

[FuzzyDuck81]

my rangers having mostly soloed - now round level 15ish - did only start to use ranged attacks for the most part after level 8-10. Before that it ws obvious way faster to cut through the mobs w a two-weapon fighting setup.
Somewhat like the wizies that carry a greataxe in the first 5-6 levels siimply to save mana . slighty slower there, but better than no mana and an evocation Club.
Not all classes are fullblown from the start. A barb is a barb is a barb ofc :-D

Actually at low levels ranged can be better, since you can stack decent effects on a bow with elemental or holy arrows, which are cheap & easy to make through cannith crafting :) It's why lowbie artificers are so ridiculous, they can also add the imbues too :D Not many things will even be able to get close, which of course leads to its own issues in a party where it can just become boring for others having everything die just as they arrive.

[stoerm]

The only time I feel like this joining a group is on a barbarian:

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A barbarian is like a summon or a DoT spell. You can watch it do some damage before it dies. Sometimes you're feeling charitable and you throw a heal or cocoon, and just maybe it survives to the end of the quest. If that happens it probably hasn't pulled out all the stops, making sure not to get aggro.

[bruener]

chasing mobs around sucks!!! too much dps is lost chasing and not hitting. more than you are doing pew pew pewing. once many shot has wore off put the bow away and pull the swords. you get all the twf feats for free anyway. that way everyone can stop chasing and start bashing. my first toon was a ranger. back when tempest was something worthwhile. i know AA is better now. arcanes are kiters too tho....stop it people lol

[shadowowl]

I hate barbs I hate playing them I hate grouping with them they are nothing but dead weight in parties unless you build them to not be the typical barb (ie as an archer/thrower or ranged of some type it's ok) as a two handed rage dps this class is complete trash 99% of the time unless the player is exceptionally skilled and geared to the teeth which is the 1%.

[krimsonrane]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing so why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people? I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.

Kiting is the problem. We HATE KITERS.
Super kiters get super hated.

[Phrida]

I've played a ranger for 6 years now and i have to say that it's more than likely the kiting thing. I detest kiters, they all think it's what the party wants and they think it is the job of rangers to kite, imho, kiters are clueless.

for the love of all that is holy stop kiting, if you have aggro and are scared and getting pounded, just stop, drop and roll... no wait, i mean just shield until someone can pull the mob off you. trust me, everyone in party is eager to kill, you won't have him pounding you for very long

the worse place to kite is at the end of von3, you set up a nice firewall, have everyone gathered to start pounding and then some clueless kiter starts running the boss all over the place

[Sam1313]

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Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing.

Its hard to do in heroic levels but in epic levels as a AA Ranger you stand your ground and blast the monsters. That is if your in Shiradi ED. You get this thing called "Stand and Deliver" it adds damage to your hits the longer you stay in one place. Anyone who has ran with my ranger isamuel can tell you this makes it a lot easier and you live longer. By standing your ground while manyshots is going off you allow the melee to hit the monster in the back and some of them get sneak attack bonus for this. AND they don't have to chase the beasties all over the place to hit them. And the monsters die a lot faster so therefore YOU live longer. Now in Heroic quests its ALOT harder to do because your gear sucks, your hitpoints suck and your dps sucks (if your pure build) So what I used to do and still do a lot is let the melee guys whack at the monsters a few times to get their attention then I start firing my bow. If I see I have gotten the aggro I just stop firing, and if they are close enough I just pull out my axes and start chopping on them until the mob is thinned out enough around me to pull out my bow again.

[Sam1313]

The only time I feel like this joining a group is on a barbarian:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CP3A15JKL.jpg

A barbarian is like a summon or a DoT spell. You can watch it do some damage before it dies. Sometimes you're feeling charitable and you throw a heal or cocoon, and just maybe it survives to the end of the quest. If that happens it probably hasn't pulled out all the stops, making sure not to get aggro.

rotflmao that was great literally had me laughing to the point I almost fell out of my chair.

[RapkintheRanger]

I've played a ranger for 6 years now and i have to say that it's more than likely the kiting thing. I detest kiters, they all think it's what the party wants and they think it is the job of rangers to kite, imho, kiters are clueless.

for the love of all that is holy stop kiting, if you have aggro and are scared and getting pounded, just stop, drop and roll... no wait, i mean just shield until someone can pull the mob off you. trust me, everyone in party is eager to kill, you won't have him pounding you for very long

the worse place to kite is at the end of von3, you set up a nice firewall, have everyone gathered to start pounding and then some clueless kiter starts running the boss all over the place


Kiting is sometimes very helpful... i'm thinking undead dragons in FOT, or the two dragons in the new raid. In those places people advertise: need kiter.

Sometimes kiting is necessary to prevent dying. When you tragically pull too much agro and need to get out of the way so that we don't all take a -10%. I think people understand that a burst DPS character sometimes has to cut and run to stay alive, but you should try to run through the melees to bring the mobs to them, or drag them through the very helpful blade barriers, dancing balls and ice storms.

Often kiting is both unnecessary and a pain, or even disruptive. If you can take the damage, stand still so other people can do damage too otherwise melee can't do squat and what fun is it to watch someone else run all over the place. And kiting at the end of VON3, as in the example above, is not helpful at all.

If you wait a few seconds so melee can grab agro then start adding on the DPS. if you have to move, move back through the melee so the thing following you continues to get pounded and move as little as possible.

[patang01]

Ok we know Monkchers is disliked by all the other classes but why is AA Rangers also disliked by the other classes? What did we do to you guys? We heal you when we can, we kite mobs for you, some of us throws you a rezz, we hardly say anthing so why is it that everytime I post something I get slammed by other people? I'm new to this look at my join date, in a few days I might not even be here because of all the negativeness in game and on here. its no wonder people have left this game and are still leaving this game.

It's not hatred; it's the realization that Turbine is breaking the fundamental balance of the game by creating a class that is substantially more powerful forcing the devs to make content that skews towards challenging it. I don't care what people play, but there's just no reasonable balance in creating a superior self healing and DPS class that can so easily avoid or mitigate damage. That's not good for the game and it shows; count how many rangers, monk and caster you find in the end game content and compare that to how many of the other classes.

That's not to say that everything should be balanced but we're not talking about a slight bump. we're talking about a serious tilt.

[elvesunited]

It's not the classes. It's what you do with them that matters:

Melee Kiters - Fighting while moving backwards. Some red-names can be completely dominated by a melee kiter though it can take forever. If you're a fast moving melee who can't stand toe to toe then concentrate on soft targets ( spellcasters ) and only engage heavier targets once they've already been agroed by someone more durable. If in a group where there are no durable melees then keep the enemy in sight of casters and ranged and if possible in and out of blade barriers and wall of fires.

Ranged Kiters - Same as above target soft first. Be careful with improved precise shot as it is possible to agro an entire mob. Sometimes it's best just to stand and do nothing until the melees have engaged and then start firing. ( Note: some monsters were designed to be kited and the reverse holds true. Melees who get in the way of a kite. )

Low hp melee - sorry if you're a melee build it is your responsibility to get at least an acceptable level of hp. I've seen characters like this instantly dropped from groups upon joining.

Non-healing clerics - Mostly combat caster clerics fall in this category. Let the group know. And if you signed up for a raid with everyone thinking you're the healer and you're not prepare to get blacklisted because everyone assumes you're a healer until told differently.

Blow out casters - Any caster who uses all his spellpoints on trash that the non-casters could of handled. And then twiddles his thumbs when the real tough opposition arrives. Conserve spellpoints. And keep in mind that casting a high DC slay on an opponent with a sliver of hp left is really annoying.

Rogues who can't trap - You know I get it. Sometimes rogue builds are low int and they simply fall short. Sometimes they even give up trying and aren't even carrying the equipment. Announce it! Don't let the group think you are something you're not.