Potions, Target Friend - Not working!

[Zoogar]

Today while playing I came across a new (bug) problem - Potions with the target friend are no longer work.

One of the members of my group was poisoned so I tried using one of my potions of neutralize poison to cure the poison, which did not work as it was used on myself instead of the intended target. I double checked that I was not trying to use a bound potion and that they had target friend in the description, they were good but not landing on the target and therefore they did not work! I also used the F keys and tried other people in my group with no success. This is the first time this had happened, even when I am on my Cleric or FvS I use potions for healing some ailments (remove curse, cure disease, neutralize poison, etc.)

After noticing the problem I mentioned it to the party and they all tried, seems like a new bug with this latest update or patch!
I did submit a bug report, but I never get any real response to them.

Did anyone else have this problem?

Thanks.

[BOgre]

That's not new. Potions with target: friend have never worked, in my experience.

[Caliban]

Was it a potion you bought from a guild vendor? Those can't be used on other players, despite the description saying they can.

Found potions and potions bought from the regular vendors work normally - I frequently use them to remove curses and blindness on other players.

I haven't done it since the last update though, so it could be a new bug.

[Turtlsdown]

Just had this problem running a lowbie in a harbor PUG. Unbound toon, unbound pots. Bugged I think.

[Azarddoze]

I didn't even know that was a working feature so I have a question.

Does this mean that we used to be able to use a SP pot on another player or hireling as well? I understand that it may be bugged right now, but I mean usually.

[Kawai]

yes. not working.
standards, such as Remove Fear, Remove Curse, etc.
pls address.

[toaftoaf]

i just hope to god if they mess with it and mess up the few that work. or do something as lame as just changing the disription.

[Singular]

That's not new. Potions with target: friend have never worked, in my experience.

I have a vague memory of having a potion that I could use on others once, when I first joined. I believe, in the description, it included a spout so you could dump it down the other person's throat. After the first few months of playing, I never saw that again and wondered where it had gone or what I was smoking that I'd imagined such a thing.

[Dhalgren]

That's not new. Potions with target: friend have never worked, in my experience.

This is incorrect. Guild potions do not work on friends, but for several lives now I have visited Liquid Charm in House K for all my curse/poison/disease/blind pot needs, and have happily used them on myself and on friends with equal ease. This worked fine up until update 21 (yes, I was doing this last week with no problems).

These pots no longer work on party members other than myself; attempting to use such a pot on a friend results in it applying only to me instead.

[sk3l3t0r]

This is incorrect. Guild potions do not work on friends, but for several lives now I have visited Liquid Charm in House K for all my curse/poison/disease/blind pot needs, and have happily used them on myself and on friends with equal ease. This worked fine up until update 21 (yes, I was doing this last week with no problems).

These pots no longer work on party members other than myself; attempting to use such a pot on a friend results in it applying only to me instead.

I would be willing to bet it has something to do with the card game and the "NEW" Bottles of Heal. By inntroducing those Bottles of Heal into the game, a bug must of been introduced with older potions.

[BOgre]

This is incorrect. Guild potions do not work on friends, but for several lives now I have visited Liquid Charm in House K for all my curse/poison/disease/blind pot needs, and have happily used them on myself and on friends with equal ease. This worked fine up until update 21 (yes, I was doing this last week with no problems).

These pots no longer work on party members other than myself; attempting to use such a pot on a friend results in it applying only to me instead.

Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize that guild pots were different, and that's all I ever usually buy.

[Erdrique]

I saw this happen myself yesterday but I was trying to use one of the "gloomy" deathward potions from Mabar on Brawnpits in A Small Problem. When I examined the potion, it clearly stated "Friend, Self". But when I used it, with Brawnpits selected, it gave me the buff instead. Wasn't a problem, I just used by Fleshrender guard visor on Brawnpits.

I'm not sure if the special Mabar potions were able to be used prior to Update 21 on friends but they do have that description upon examination.

[Zoogar]

That's not new. Potions with target: friend have never worked, in my experience.

I have been using Potions for a very long time, this is the first time I had a problem doing so. If you have bound potions the one purchased from the guild vendors, those will not work. Most of my potions are purchased in Gianthold and are not bound.

[Zoogar]

Was it a potion you bought from a guild vendor? Those can't be used on other players, despite the description saying they can.

Found potions and potions bought from the regular vendors work normally - I frequently use them to remove curses and blindness on other players.

I haven't done it since the last update though, so it could be a new bug.

Yes, I never buy items from the guild venders, as those are BOUND. At one time these items work correctly, but I think it was after update 12 or 14 they stopped working.

[schelsullivan]

Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize that guild pots were different, and that's all I ever usually buy.

Same here, I had no idea that general vendor pots could be targeted on other players! Ive been playing 5 or 6 years!

[Zoogar]

Just had this problem running a lowbie in a harbor PUG. Unbound toon, unbound pots. Bugged I think.

I was using non-bound potions, I never purchase bound potions from the guild vendors.

[Zoogar]

I didn't even know that was a working feature so I have a question.

Does this mean that we used to be able to use a SP pot on another player or hireling as well? I understand that it may be bugged right now, but I mean usually.

No, Mnemonic Elixirs or healing potions of any kind have never worked for healing or restoring spell points to others. But potions like cure disease and remove curse potions work fine as intended.

[Zoogar]

Same here, I had no idea that general vendor pots could be targeted on other players! Ive been playing 5 or 6 years!

Some potions worked, back when ToD was the place to be and I was healing on my FvS, I learned that guild pots could not be used and regular vendor potions worked great. Personally I never liked purchasing from the guild vendor as some of my best characters were not in a guild and I became use to getting my potions in other areas.

[Seikojin]

You can use pots on friends?! I always drank them for myself! But then again, people say I have a drinking problem...

[Raoull]

I bet it is related to the new AntiMagic fields for Beholders and the like.

Old pots that could be used on others were probably coded more or less like SLAs. Had they not switched the pots to the same as the guild pots, they'd probably stop working around beholders.

[Amundir]

I remember one time I had a party member targeted from previously healing him or something, and I used a guild renown boost potion and it applied it to him instead of myself. Thought it was weird and don't know that i've gotten it to happen again since. Kinda frustrated at it, but let it go since he was in my guild, :)

[Cardtrick]

Wonder if this change now also means that barbarians can drink non-bound pots while raged?

(Or were they already able to? It used to be they could only drink guild pots while raging, but maybe it changed.)

[In_Like_Flynn]

I also noticed that I was no longer able to remove poison or curses from allies using potions.

[zeonardo]

http://itemwiki.cubicleninja.com/images/items/item_1393.png

Potions with "Target: Sellf, Friend" should be able to be used on other characters

The fact that guild potions were bound and could not be used on others is a bug, in my opinion.
A guildie friend tried to use unbound Remove Poison potion on other character last night and it's currently bugged, only applying to self.

[Thalone]

Wonder if this change now also means that barbarians can drink non-bound pots while raged?

(Or were they already able to? It used to be they could only drink guild pots while raging, but maybe it changed.)

This. The update made pots drinkable by raged barbs. When I read that in the Lamannia release notes, I thought to myself, "This is going to have unintended consequences."

If I remember correctly, prior to the update, guild potions had "drinking animations" (you can't force drink down someone's throat) and unbound potions had "casting animations" (but you can cast on an ally). The fact that regular potions had a "casting" animation was probably what interfered with barbraging's anticasting requirement.

I believe casting pots and drinking pots were also on different timers (e.g., I could drink Remove Fear pots immediately after drinking a cure pot, without waiting for the cure pot timer). So now, my poor barb has to choose between popping an SF pot or removing status effects instead of doing both.

[Gremmlynn]

My guess would be that it has something to do with making all potions useable while raged as the bound guild potions could be used while raged, but not on others.

[Cordovan]

We are investigating this, and yes, it's a bug. If a potion states that it is supposed to be usable on a friend, then it should be.

[Cardtrick]

We are investigating this, and yes, it's a bug. If a potion states that it is supposed to be usable on a friend, then it should be.

Thanks for acknowledging this, it's really nice when you guys post a little note like this to let us know that issues are being looked into.

Although I know it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, since if you post something like this in one thread, it's going to make us think that you're not looking into any issues that you haven't posted about. And then we ask about those, and it probably makes your job harder.

So -- completely unrelated to that -- and just out of curiousity . . . Any chance you guys are looking into the order of the quests in the Adventure Compendium being randomized every time you open it up (since U21)?

[LordTw]

I have a vague memory of having a potion that I could use on others once, when I first joined. I believe, in the description, it included a spout so you could dump it down the other person's throat. After the first few months of playing, I never saw that again and wondered where it had gone or what I was smoking that I'd imagined such a thing.



I too have the same vague memory about the description including the spout thingy. I too have the same problem remembering what I was smoking.

[nibel]

So -- completely unrelated to that -- and just out of curiousity . . . Any chance you guys are looking into the order of the quests in the Adventure Compendium being randomized every time you open it up (since U21)?

It is not randomized. It is on alphabetical order.

[imandria]

It is not randomized. It is on alphabetical order.

If that is alphabetical order... I learned the wrong alphabet.
HOWEVER... I did notice that if I wait a few seconds (up to 30), it suddenly arranges itself by level.

[toaftoaf]

We are investigating this, and yes, it's a bug. If a potion states that it is supposed to be usable on a friend, then it should be.

please for the loveof god dont just change the disription.

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

If that is alphabetical order... I learned the wrong alphabet.
HOWEVER... I did notice that if I wait a few seconds (up to 30), it suddenly arranges itself by level.

It rescrambles itself after a load screen; it's my new least favorite thing. And who in the hell would want it in alpha-order over quest level?

[droid327]

Im not in game right now to check, but I remember, many months ago, trying to use Pots of Invis on the Giant Seers in Madstone Crater....I thought they said "Friend, Self" but, of course, they didn't work on the NPCs.

If they fix this, it'd be muchly appreciated for any char running Madstone who doesn't have Invis, enough UMD to scroll it, or an Invis x3 clicky (which AFAIK doesn't drop as lootgen anymore) :)

[Lost_Leader]

This issue actually has roots way back to the beginning of DDO.

Used to be potions only worked on self. This included remove fear potions, which always seemed rather silly. I don't remember the exact reason , but the Powers That Be decided to add "funnels" to some potions, so you could administer to an ally. This gave some potions a casting animation, and allowed you to target friends. It had the unintended consequence of flagging these potions as "casting" which made it that you couldn't use them while in barbarian rage, and later, madstone rage. We went for a very long time with barbs not being able to remove their own curses, or having to drop their rage to do so. It was a pain in the butt, especially during Vision of Destruction raids.

And then we had the Rise of the Guilds update, which brought old school self only potions back, and Barbarians everywhere rejoiced. They could now remove their own curses, blindness, stat damage, and other status ailments, so long as they were in a guild with access to the potion vendor. An easy feat to achieve since it a low level guild feature. Possibly confusing to rookies though.

But now, years later, we have come full circle. The funnels have been removed from potions, barbarians can once again use any kind of potion while raging, and we can no longer administer potions to allies. I remember once upon a time the devs saying they couldn't figure out how to make the potions usable on allies and still be drinkable by barbs. Perhaps things have changed now? We can throw potions at others, artificer and a few new bomb things, which is something we couldn't do back then.

[RapkintheRanger]

That's not new. Potions with target: friend have never worked, in my experience.


yup. and is potion for paralysis removal just a joke? If ti is -- it is a good one!

[Veriden]

I'm fairly certain the only time you can use a potion on a friend in pnp is if they are unable to drink it themselves and you pour it into their mouth manually. Unless it is a potion of fireball and in which case you throw it at the......people you want to die in a fire.

[Veriden]

yup. and is potion for paralysis removal just a joke? If ti is -- it is a good one!

Not a joke, they remove the spell slow.

[Kulothar]

I didn't even know that was a working feature so I have a question.Does this mean that we used to be able to use a SP pot on another player or hireling as well? I understand that it may be bugged right now, but I mean usually.Originally pots worked self only. Which was a hassle since everyone had to carry a full supply of pots. When max level was 10 that was an issue but not so much now. To fix that since a player could in theory throw an antidote or pour a liquid down an incapacitated players throat, they added the Self/Friend designation to those pots that cure so you could cure your party members. Barbarians needed restore, cure curse, cure disease, etc. and could no longer use those pots since they were not "castable" and the could not cast while raged so when guild pots came out they were not castable and were useable while raged. That meant you have guild pots for self use and market pots for party use. The previous bug was the heal and remove paralysis pots didn't cast even though they say Friend which made cure paralysis pots useless since you couldn't use them while paralyzed. As for your question, non-heal pots such as stat pots and SP pots were never flagged Self/Friend and therefore, no you could not cast them on others. Now with the latest release, you can no longer cast pots on poisoned, sick, cursed, injured or incapacitated players but barbarians can use potions while raged. Party members have to carry wands, scrolls or the spell meaning more investment in UMD or losing spell slots. Even more worrying is whether the new anti-magic will prevent potions and bard songs from working. I hope this answered your question Azarddoze.

[susiedupfer]

We are investigating this, and yes, it's a bug. If a potion states that it is supposed to be usable on a friend, then it should be.

Thank you for letting us know it is a bug, and that they are working on it. We do appreciate it.(no BUT, just thanks!)

Z

[Lonnbeimnech]

please for the loveof god dont just change the disription.

They will make it so it works on people selected from your friend list. After all it says friend, not party member.

[Dhalgren]

They will make it so it works on people selected from your friend list. After all it says friend, not party member.

This made me lol.

Then I thought about it and wept a little, too.

[darkly_dreaming]

Yes, guild pots are self only regardless of what effect they are. Some unbound pots were castable on others. We did some testing some time ago and found that a pot that caused a 'drinking' animation were self only, and pots that caused a 'casting' animation were usable on others.

[Zoogar]

We are investigating this, and yes, it's a bug. If a potion states that it is supposed to be usable on a friend, then it should be.

Thanks for you for informing me that this is it something you are looking at fixing. I do hope it get fix rather fast as I have stopped playing my FvSs and Clerics because of this bug.