First gish build

[Ashmaedaeva]

Hello everyone,

After playing for a while, I'd like to try a gish character. First of all, this is the build I've come up with:


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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female
(2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger \ 12 Wizard)
Hit Points: 240
Spell Points: 637
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 18
Will: 9

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 14 14
Dexterity 18 23
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 14 14
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 8 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 8 10
Bluff -1 -1
Concentration 2 3
Diplomacy -1 -1
Disable Device 6 19
Haggle 3 3
Heal -1 -1
Hide 4 6
Intimidate 3 6
Jump 6 9
Listen -1 1
Move Silently 4 6
Open Lock 8 14
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 2 2
Search 6 21
Spellcraft 2 2
Spot 3 18
Swim 2 2
Tumble 8 10
Use Magic Device 3 11

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longbow
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 5 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Wizard Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Wizard)


Level 8 (Wizard)


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Heroic Durability


Level 10 (Wizard)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 13 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
Feat: (Automatic) Archer's Focus


Level 14 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 16 (Wizard)


Level 17 (Wizard)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Wizard)


Level 20 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Arcane Fluidity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Arcane Fluidity (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Elf - Arcane Fluidity (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Spellsword: Shock (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Martial Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Dark Reaping (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Zombie (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Vampire (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Wraith (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Cloak of Night (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Cloak of Night (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Cloak of Night (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy III (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy IV (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Improved Shrouding (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Graceful Death (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Dodge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Dodge (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Dodge (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)




Some things are set in stone for me:
1) I want the character to be a dex based two-weapon fighter, going for a high dodge rating.
2) Race must be elf or half-elf.

Everything else is negotiable. I could see 2 levels of fighter instead of rogue, taking Mobility and something else. What do you think?

[rimble]

I could see 2 levels of fighter instead of rogue, taking Mobility and something else. What do you think?

Everything works better with Monk.

Does Drow count as an Elf to you?

[Ashmaedaeva]

I'd rather stay a "normal" elf, unless drow is overwhelmingly better.

EDIT: I can see how 2 levels of Ninja Spy would benefit the build a lot! I'll try and change the build with monk instead of rogue.

EDIT2: I went with an 8 monk\12 wizard drow. What do you think? Enhancements are a little tight.


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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Female
(8 Monk \ 12 Wizard)
Hit Points: 244
Spell Points: 566
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 17
Will: 14

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 14 14
Dexterity 17 24
Constitution 14 14
Intelligence 12 12
Wisdom 10 10
Charisma 10 10

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 17
Bluff 0 0
Concentration 6 25
Diplomacy 0 0
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 0 0
Heal 0 3
Hide 3 7
Intimidate 0 0
Jump 6 8
Listen 0 2
Move Silently 6 30
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 1
Search 1 3
Spellcraft 1 1
Spot 0 2
Swim 2 2
Tumble 4 8
Use Magic Device 2 11

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell


Level 5 (Wizard)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Wizard)


Level 8 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 10 (Monk)


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility


Level 13 (Wizard)


Level 14 (Wizard)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 16 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell


Level 17 (Wizard)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Venom Lore (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Venom Lore (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Drow - Venom Lore (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Ambidexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Ambidexterity (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Drow - Ambidexterity (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Drow - Improved Dodge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Improved Dodge (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Drow - Improved Dodge (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Venomed Blades (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Drow - Venomed Blades (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Poisoned Soul (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Poison Exploit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Knock on the Sky (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sting of the Ninja (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Illusion I: Invisibility (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Shield (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Shield (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Shield (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Dark Reaping (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Zombie (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Vampire (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Wraith (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy III (Rank 1)

[bsquishwizzy]

Stupid question here, but if you are going TWF, why stick to EK and the shield bonuses?

Second, I’m not sure with this type of build that UMD would even be worth it. You’re better off moving those points into maybe Heal (if you go PM) or Spellcraft.

Additionally, you might want to weigh the benefits of Bone Armor vs. Cloak of Night. You already have crit resistance with heavy fort and Wraith form, but you are going to get ripped apart in lvl 15+ content with light spells. You might want to consider trading off PRR for resistance to light spells.

[Ashmaedaeva]

Stupid question here, but if you are going TWF, why stick to EK and the shield bonuses?

Second, I’m not sure with this type of build that UMD would even be worth it. You’re better off moving those points into maybe Heal (if you go PM) or Spellcraft.

Additionally, you might want to weigh the benefits of Bone Armor vs. Cloak of Night. You already have crit resistance with heavy fort and Wraith form, but you are going to get ripped apart in lvl 15+ content with light spells. You might want to consider trading off PRR for resistance to light spells.

Thanks for the suggestions!

The Improved Shield is mainly because of the PRR increase while under the effect of Shield. Secondly, being TWF I can use the shield bonus too, or am I missing something?

Both your other suggestions are very interesting. Heal might be better, since I don't think I'll cast any offensive spell that Spellcraft might affect.
Good point on Cloak of Night, I'll change that :)

Do you think 2 levels of fighter might be worthy? I'd lose Wholeness of Body (mainly) for an increase in BAB and 2 feats.

[Lanhelin]

The Improved Shield is mainly because of the PRR increase while under the effect of Shield. Secondly, being TWF I can use the shield bonus too, or am I missing something?

It's a SLA so it doesn't matter whether you have a shield equipped or not. Mind that there is a bug or something the Devs forgot about that causes the additional PRR effect not being extended by the Metamagic Feat.

[Yunico]

I've just capped a Wiz12/ranger6/monk2 toon, and the combo is a blast.

I've skipped Cloak of Night, but then, I had a Shroud of the Abbot.

during leveling, I suggest taking wiz7 early, so you have access to Death Aura and Negative Energy Burst; I took only 6 lvls before finishing monk and ranger levels, and it was at times a pain to heal quickly enough.

I don't use improved shrouding, because I consider the xtra 5% incorp not to be critical. I prefer to toggle Tenser with all the goodies EK enhancements bring.

Enhancements are tight when you need EK Tenser, PM Wraith and Ninja Dodge. Not much left for ranger, but enough to boost twf dmg and more dodge. Getting to 25% dodge is easy with this build, which together with 25% incorp and 50% displacement is ~72% miss chance on mobs without True Seeing (~44% with).
If you have both Auras going, high PRR is not really that relevant anymore.

All in all great for both tanking and dps.

[bsquishwizzy]

Thanks for the suggestions!

The Improved Shield is mainly because of the PRR increase while under the effect of Shield. Secondly, being TWF I can use the shield bonus too, or am I missing something?

Sorry, I got confused with Improved Shield and Shield Training. My bad.


Both your other suggestions are very interesting. Heal might be better, since I don't think I'll cast any offensive spell that Spellcraft might affect.
Good point on Cloak of Night, I'll change that :)

Like I said, it is something to mull over. Heal, I believe, improves your self-healing from your death auras.


Do you think 2 levels of fighter might be worthy? I'd lose Wholeness of Body (mainly) for an increase in BAB and 2 feats.

The consensus around here is that Monk fixes everything. I’m not a big multi-class guy, but replacing fighter for ranger might be a good idea as I’m not 100% sure what Ranger levels is going to get you.