You pop a hire and then moan at me?

[Ryan220]

Hello all

With Clerics and healing (or not healing) being a hot topic at the moment I thought I might share what happened to me yesterday.

I run a 12 Cleric/ 2 Ftr

I like to think I contribute meaningful Dps and Im happy to heal either by spot or burst when required.

So I join a Pug and the star asked if Im happy to heal - I reply yes but keep pots handy just in case I get too absorbed in meleeing. No problem.

A fleshy Sorc joins and immediately pops a hire. My thought is that I am now absolved of any responsibilty to heal. But we know the hires AI is poor so Ill keep an eye on things.

You can prob guess where this is going, but Sorc splits off and has no idea of aggro management and gets himself and his hire killed. So I go back and Rez them. Within 5 minutes the same has happened so I Rez again. When it happens a third time the star and I just press on as we just want to complete and its quicker if we just duo what is left.

I know it sounds a bit harsh - anyone can die in a quest once, or even twice, but three times with a hire?

So we press on and complete whilst the Sorc is moaning in party chat that Im one of "those" Clerics that doesnt heal.

Personally I think I was within my rights to leave him whereas he clearly thought otherwise.


In todays DDO of self suff/ byoh/ pop a hire / non healing divines etc etc, what are your thoughts?

Did this person try to have his cake and eat it?
Do you think he was right or wrong?
Is a Divine absolved of all healing if someone pops a hire?

[Deadlock]

You can't heal stupid.

Personally I wouldn't worry about it. Squishy zerger wannabe dies in quest. Not the first and won't be the last. If the sorc ever works out that his tactics don't work then maybe he'll be one step closer to working out how to keep himself alive.

[biggin2]

No one else is your responsibility unless you make it so. If a player can't manage his aggro then it's his own fault. I had the same problem the other day in a Madstone EE. People would die, you would raise them and say, "Hey bud, just wait until I get aggro, then go after it." Then they would run ahead, aggro 20 things, get themselves killed, I would have to kill everything, the whole time in party chat seeing, "Raise me", "can I get a raise?", "run me to the shrine" WHILE I was still in the middle of cleaning up the mess they made.

It's nice to have some spot healing while leveling as it saves a ton on pots but I personally don't see it as anyone else's responsibility to do it. If someone needs you for something (like healing) they need to play smart and play by your rules, not theirs. If they can't put 2 and 2 together and figure out that when they cast a spell they get brained then honestly what could anyone do?

[Grecan]

Do you think he was right or wrong? Wrong
Is a Divine absolved of all healing if someone pops a hire? Imo, s/he is absolved of focusing on the person with the healing hire.
Am I an Elitist non healing Divine for leaving them behind? Just a reasonable player imho.
Btw, the other day day i rezzed a cleric who had a cleric hire (with my non-caster, zero-umd char who didn't have a hire)


You can't heal stupid.

Personally I wouldn't worry about it. Squishy zerger wannabe dies in quest. Not the first and won't be the last. If the sorc ever works out that his tactics don't work then maybe he'll be one step closer to working out how to keep himself alive.This post speaks the truth.

[Phaeton_Seraph]

Wow. Your life is so hard. I'm sure that absolutely ruined all your fun. Maybe you should consider another class.
My artie carries stacks of scrolls and raises anyone, usually without complaint. Well, if I go through too many scrolls, I'll lie and tell people to be careful 'cause I'm running out.




The only time I find grief with Hires is in parties with my second life Druid, where I'm party leader and someone pops a Hire without asking, thereby filling the last spot (it's usually some Barb). Then having to raise him and his Hire becomes annoying because if he'd have asked, I'd have popped a hire that was +6 to everything and set it to defend him.

[glouky]

He was wrong, but you can help him becoming a better person/player by explaining a bit your behavior.
Once he have all information to be more social next time... you did it right.

[Standal]

I think it's just a person that bit off more than they could chew and then got embarrassed. Given the way dungeon scaling works, I think there are a lot of players who think that their characters are better than they are. They think that because they can solo a quest, they can run off and solo part of the quest in a multi-player instance. Then when they fail and die, they blame the party.

[Nestroy]

Did this person try to have his cake and eat it? No, just plain stupidity.


Do you think he was right or wrong? Wrong.


Is a Divine absolved of all healing if someone pops a hire? Only from that person that pops the hire. It is considered common courtesy to state so in the pc. I would have told something along "get lost next time" after the second rez.


Am I an Elitist non healing Divine for leaving them behind? I do not know if you are an elitist. I would have acted similarly though. And I am by no means a powermongering elitist.

[Forzah]

You could've picked up his soul stone, I guess.

[Kir1]

Hello all

With Clerics and healing (or not healing) being a hot topic at the moment I thought I might share what happened to me yesterday.

I run a 12 Cleric/ 2 Ftr

I like to think I contribute meaningful Dps and Im happy to heal either by spot or burst when required.

So I join a Pug and the star asked if Im happy to heal - I reply yes but keep pots handy just in case I get too absorbed in meleeing. No problem.

A fleshy Sorc joins and immediately pops a hire. My thought is that I am now absolved of any responsibilty to heal. But we know the hires AI is poor so Ill keep an eye on things.

You can prob guess where this is going, but Sorc splits off and has no idea of aggro management and gets himself and his hire killed. So I go back and Rez them. Within 5 minutes the same has happened so I Rez again. When it happens a third time the star and I just press on as we just want to complete and its quicker if we just duo what is left.

I know it sounds a bit harsh - anyone can die in a quest once, or even twice, but three times with a hire?

So we press on and complete whilst the Sorc is moaning in party chat that Im one of "those" Clerics that doesnt heal.

Personally I think I was within my rights to leave him whereas he clearly thought otherwise.


In todays DDO of self suff/ byoh/ pop a hire / non healing divines etc etc, what do you think?

Did this person try to have his cake and eat it?
Do you think he was right or wrong?
Is a Divine absolved of all healing if someone pops a hire?
Am I an Elitist non healing Divine for leaving them behind?


You could grab his stone and res him at final quest chest so he dont miss quest rewards.

[Jeremiah179]

Frankly OP -

Either your niche is starting long healing related threads...and you have started to like it...

Or my server is much more chill...


I simply do not have these problems in any pugs I am in - I do not run into these awful players. For me, I would put him in my pack the third time and finish the quest and drop group. If he persisted to badger me I would make a note of his name.

Usually after the second silly death, the person calms down in my experience... often it is related to not having experienced the quest before, or the ramped up difficulty in a larger group. After the second death a reasonable request to chill and try to make a positive contribution usually does the trick fine - then I would usually offer some help in a casual way and see how they respond.

[SirValentine]

Wow. Your life is so hard. I'm sure that absolutely ruined all your fun. Maybe you should consider another class.


He had one of those pug experiences. It happens.

Why on earth would he switch classes?

If I had to switch classes every time I was in a pug with an idiot, I would have had to quit DDO years ago, because there'd be no classes left to play.

[Ryan220]

Frankly OP -

Either your niche is starting long healing related threads...and you have started to like it...

Or my server is much more chill...


I simply do not have these problems in any pugs I am in - I do not run into these awful players. For me, I would put him in my pack the third time and finish the quest and drop group. If he persisted to badger me I would make a note of his name.

Usually after the second silly death, the person calms down in my experience... often it is related to not having experienced the quest before, or the ramped up difficulty in a larger group. After the second death a reasonable request to chill and try to make a positive contribution usually does the trick fine - then I would usually offer some help in a casual way and see how they respond.


Hello, Im the OP.

Im actually on Ghallanda the same as you.

My posting about healing is purely because my main is on a Cleric life and the topic is a current one.

Next month it may be something else.

[cdbd3rd]

You could've picked up his soul stone, I guess.

Too tempting then to drop it in lava (which apparently is FROWNED upon in this establishment!)... ;)


Best to leave it where it dropped. If they want up bad enough, they can pay for their own Syb cake.

[Phaeton_Seraph]

He had one of those pug experiences. It happens.

Why on earth would he switch classes?

If I had to switch classes every time I was in a pug with an idiot, I would have had to quit DDO years ago, because there'd be no classes left to play.


The thing is, PUGging is hard. There's not nearly enough choice available, even when I do toon-hop to be able to PUG. Elitist schmuckery isn't going to make the situation better.

Either you have the social skills, or you don't. I think that user attrition has caused us to lose a great part of the percentage of players with good social skills.


I think the OP smacks of taking himself and the game too seriously. It's a game. There's a social component. You have to expect random, or stick to soloing and static groups.
No one gets paid, so there are no pros here.


Being able to help out and not wanting to indicate a lack of... something. Something that makes me happy I'm not running with him.


Like I said, my Artie raises anyone and everyone. My Druid has a Helf Cleric Dilly so he can use scrolls, and he too raises and heals anyone who needs it. Yes, it's expensive to scroll heal and rez like that.

[Algreg]

same agenda, different spin? The answer is still, play your cleric the way you like it, just as other players should.

[Elytia]

Please (anyone) feel free to correct me. Sounds like he popped a hire to keep him alive (maybe wrong but hires seem to favour summonner before party.) So to me he didn't care less about rest of party.
Just a warning. You're close to hitting the other post about clerics not healing.

[myliftkk_v2]

Hello all

With Clerics and healing (or not healing) being a hot topic at the moment I thought I might share what happened to me yesterday.

I run a 12 Cleric/ 2 Ftr

I like to think I contribute meaningful Dps and Im happy to heal either by spot or burst when required.

So I join a Pug and the star asked if Im happy to heal - I reply yes but keep pots handy just in case I get too absorbed in meleeing. No problem.

A fleshy Sorc joins and immediately pops a hire. My thought is that I am now absolved of any responsibilty to heal. But we know the hires AI is poor so Ill keep an eye on things.

You can prob guess where this is going, but Sorc splits off and has no idea of aggro management and gets himself and his hire killed. So I go back and Rez them. Within 5 minutes the same has happened so I Rez again. When it happens a third time the star and I just press on as we just want to complete and its quicker if we just duo what is left.

I know it sounds a bit harsh - anyone can die in a quest once, or even twice, but three times with a hire?

So we press on and complete whilst the Sorc is moaning in party chat that Im one of "those" Clerics that doesnt heal.

Personally I think I was within my rights to leave him whereas he clearly thought otherwise.


In todays DDO of self suff/ byoh/ pop a hire / non healing divines etc etc, what are your thoughts?

Did this person try to have his cake and eat it?
Do you think he was right or wrong?
Is a Divine absolved of all healing if someone pops a hire?
Meh, you drew a bad hand. I'm surprised since I've been re-levelling a toon on Gland and haven't had this experience once yet in the <20 content. I think the expectation is BYOH now for almost everyone left playing DDO (considering virtually everyone I see has got wings now - or at least in a guild I recognize) on the server.

We'll see what happens when I go for the divine PLs on this same toon though. I for one, never expect divines to do much healing anymore, but then again I rarely ever see a pure divine any longer join pugs.

[Elytia]

I,personally have no problem with a cleric not healing so long as I know before we step in. One thing though, I don't expect a cleric to keep me free from Curse etc (DW is nice though) but if you don't keep my HP up I won't be there to sort out your traps you can't get thru.
Ely.

[Wipey]

Unless it's for a lever, DD, stat required lever or pressure plate, popping a hire is sure newbie sign so why would you even care that someone was raging at you in a pug.
Either invis or fart bb solo or don't be surprised with pick up group.

[PermaBanned]

Did this person try to have his cake and eat it? What's the point having a cake if you're not going to eat it?


Do you think he was right or wrong? I'm with Deadlock on this one. Hires suck, plain and simple. If you need one to keep you alive, that's your problem. If you split off from a group, and expect the group to still somehow take responsibility for you and your hire, then you are a problem. You can't heal stupid.


Is a Divine absolved of all healing if someone pops a hire? Again, hires suck. When I'm on my divines, I heal the group. In today's "I'm a divine, not a healer" climate," I don't blame people for seeing my cleric icon and assuming they're still on their own. If they do pop a hire, I encourage them to get rid of it so we can get another contributing body. That said, here's a short list of things I consider to absolve me of the responsibility:

• They're a Warforged with that "immune to posative healing" feat.

• They can't figure out why "line of sight" is important.

• They become a too consistent drain on resources - I don't out right include Barbs in this category. But if their version of aggro management is "get as much as you can, as fast as you can" and die at the same pace; they're a stone in my back pack.

• They try to tell me divines are "a waste of a party slot."

[DakDeFrosted]

"A fleshy Sorc joins and immediately pops a hire."

I would have been worried right from the start, I would also wager he had about half the HP of anyone else in the group.

[Lallajulia]

few days ago on my clr leveling i was in graverobber solo. but i pretty tired of soloing, so lfm is up all the time for anyone at level.
and one rog joined. fine. i just started clearing mobs. you know quest, you can not go invis, you are forced go tru all these high dam resistant zombie crowds. and they hit really hard if you are surrounded. so i pick one by one(plus some turned) and its easy as drink tea and eat cookie with one hand and kill them with other.
but here came in rogue... as tornado. he just rush into crowds and he can not even scratch any single zombie for even one damage point.
he died. fast. very fast.
i told him - don`t aggro more than you can kill and my sp is only for damage, not heals. can wand heal him only. wands/scrolls can not par with damage he took surrounded. even if i would throw all my sp into his redbar, its pointless because he just can not do any dps at all.

that happened not twice. after four time hes soulstone just got peace in my pocket till finish.

how to react in such cases? just stop heal and raise.

everyone who want to play such games on top difficulty levels, HAVE to learn aggro management. there is no other way to beat quests or its DDO or Dragon Age 2 on nightmare or any other such type game.

[myliftkk_v2]

Hello, Im the OP.

Im actually on Ghallanda the same as you.

My posting about healing is purely because my main is on a Cleric life and the topic is a current one.

Next month it may be something else.

You could have asked him/her why he/she doesn't use solid fog/web/ice storm to control aggro (which should be loaded)? It's one thing to get aggro as a sorc, it's another to know what to do with it once you have it.

[gordgray]

Hello, Im the OP.

Im actually on Ghallanda the same as you.

My posting about healing is purely because my main is on a Cleric life and the topic is a current one.

Next month it may be something else.

Play the way you want I don't heal stupid if a caster aggro group, cant hold until the aggro is gotten by the tank then my thought is he can take care of him self with a higher he is on his own I take care of the group who has no Hire, As far to his stone I do drop far from the shrine.

[LOOON375]

You can't heal stupid.

Personally I wouldn't worry about it. .This

[DanteEnFuego]

Not a "brothel" thread... /Disappoint