Wrathharvest
01-16-2014, 02:07 PM
I really like dual-wielding Paladins, especially if they're broadly self-sufficient and useful in a variety of situations (who doesn't?), but I've been convinced Paladins are sub-standard dps. The Noyellowbar build, especially the rogue-splash version, looks terrific and I'll probably build one down the road, but I really want to play another paladin.
So I gave it some thought, and decided the best way to get a Paladin to do good dps was to include as little Paladin as possible (while still keeping it a Paladin). Since I intended to splash Rogue anyway for trapping, I decided that'd be the direction to go to find more dps. Someone in another thread mentioned (Ubongwah, perhaps) the idea of a dagger-wielding Paladin so I decided I'd take the ball and run with it. The current result is: Holycutpurse, an extremely Rogue-y Paladin (7 Paladin/7 Rogue/6 Ranger).
The centerpiece of the plan is for him to pick up Knife Specialization (presumably with Kukris) which, during the 1/3 or so of his attacks for which Divine Sac is up, will give him roughly a 14-20/x4 Crit range. Then he's got solid but not excellent trapping skills, +10d6 SA damage, and good ranged. I'll put the full build below.
A lot of the pieces are together, but I feel like I may be trying to do too much and things aren't as neatly tied together as they should be. Since he only gets CLW, healing will presumably be scroll-driven (which kinda sucks) so does he really need Empowered Healing? If he's going to get Impr Precise Shot and Combat Archer, shouldn't he really put more than 6 points into AA? I'm conflicted. Any input is welcome.
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Holycutpurse
Level 28 Lawful Good Human Male
(7 Paladin \ 7 Rogue \ 6 Ranger \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 402
Spell Points: 178
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 22
Will: 12
Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 28
Dexterity 16 21
Constitution 14 18
Intelligence 12 16
Wisdom 8 12
Charisma 14 18
Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 7 18
Bluff 6 19
Concentration 2 32
Diplomacy 2 16
Disable Device 5 38
Haggle 2 13
Heal -1 33
Hide 7 18
Intimidate 2 13
Jump 3 18
Listen -1 15
Move Silently 7 18
Open Lock 7 40
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 12
Search 5 40
Spellcraft 1 12
Spot 3 38
Swim 6 21
Tumble 4 15
Use Magic Device 6 36
Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Level 2 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host
Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Level 4 (Paladin)
Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Level 7 (Rogue)
Level 8 (Ranger)
Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Level 10 (Paladin)
Level 11 (Paladin)
Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot
Level 13 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Level 14 (Ranger)
Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 16 (Paladin)
Level 17 (Paladin)
Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Level 19 (Rogue)
Level 20 (Rogue)
Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical
Level 22 (Epic)
Level 23 (Epic)
Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Combat Archery
Level 25 (Epic)
Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed
Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Skill Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Human Adaptability: Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Awareness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Awareness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Awareness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Nimble Fingers (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Nimble Fingers (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Nimble Fingers (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Human - Skill Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Heroism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Greater Heroism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dagger in the Back (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Assassin's Trick (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Heartseeker Poison (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Bleed Them Out (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Bleed Them Out (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Bleed Them Out (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Execute (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife Specialization (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sneak Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Versatile Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Hunter of the Dead I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Sacrifice (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Arcane Archer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Morphic Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Corrosive Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Awareness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Awareness (Rank 2)
So I gave it some thought, and decided the best way to get a Paladin to do good dps was to include as little Paladin as possible (while still keeping it a Paladin). Since I intended to splash Rogue anyway for trapping, I decided that'd be the direction to go to find more dps. Someone in another thread mentioned (Ubongwah, perhaps) the idea of a dagger-wielding Paladin so I decided I'd take the ball and run with it. The current result is: Holycutpurse, an extremely Rogue-y Paladin (7 Paladin/7 Rogue/6 Ranger).
The centerpiece of the plan is for him to pick up Knife Specialization (presumably with Kukris) which, during the 1/3 or so of his attacks for which Divine Sac is up, will give him roughly a 14-20/x4 Crit range. Then he's got solid but not excellent trapping skills, +10d6 SA damage, and good ranged. I'll put the full build below.
A lot of the pieces are together, but I feel like I may be trying to do too much and things aren't as neatly tied together as they should be. Since he only gets CLW, healing will presumably be scroll-driven (which kinda sucks) so does he really need Empowered Healing? If he's going to get Impr Precise Shot and Combat Archer, shouldn't he really put more than 6 points into AA? I'm conflicted. Any input is welcome.
Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.20.01
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)
Holycutpurse
Level 28 Lawful Good Human Male
(7 Paladin \ 7 Rogue \ 6 Ranger \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 402
Spell Points: 178
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 22
Will: 12
Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 28
Dexterity 16 21
Constitution 14 18
Intelligence 12 16
Wisdom 8 12
Charisma 14 18
Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 7 18
Bluff 6 19
Concentration 2 32
Diplomacy 2 16
Disable Device 5 38
Haggle 2 13
Heal -1 33
Hide 7 18
Intimidate 2 13
Jump 3 18
Listen -1 15
Move Silently 7 18
Open Lock 7 40
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 12
Search 5 40
Spellcraft 1 12
Spot 3 38
Swim 6 21
Tumble 4 15
Use Magic Device 6 36
Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Level 2 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host
Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Level 4 (Paladin)
Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Level 7 (Rogue)
Level 8 (Ranger)
Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Level 10 (Paladin)
Level 11 (Paladin)
Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot
Level 13 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Level 14 (Ranger)
Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 16 (Paladin)
Level 17 (Paladin)
Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Level 19 (Rogue)
Level 20 (Rogue)
Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical
Level 22 (Epic)
Level 23 (Epic)
Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Combat Archery
Level 25 (Epic)
Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed
Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Skill Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Human Adaptability: Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Awareness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Awareness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Awareness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Nimble Fingers (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Nimble Fingers (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Nimble Fingers (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Human - Skill Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Heroism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Greater Heroism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dagger in the Back (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Assassin's Trick (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Heartseeker Poison (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Bleed Them Out (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Bleed Them Out (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Bleed Them Out (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Execute (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife Specialization (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sneak Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Versatile Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Hunter of the Dead I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Sacrifice (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Arcane Archer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Morphic Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Corrosive Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Awareness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Awareness (Rank 2)