Wisdom on a melee build

[JasonJi72]

Hey guys, I am contemplating making a 2wf fvs, but I don't want to dump wisdom completely. I would like my blade barriers and other aoe spells to have some chance at hitting at full strength. If I do this, it will be with a 36 point build with a cleric and fvs past life.

What do you think the minimum wisdom I should aim for without sacrificing my other stats too much and still be able to have some guys not make their saves?

[Matuse]

Mutually contradictory goals.

Blade Barrier hitting for half strength is still incredibly potent. It will work great against non-evaders.

The problem is the evaders. Monsters with rogue or ranger class levels who aren't ranged attackers. Unless you have dedicated yourself to raising DCs, it will simply not work on those monsters at all. The only way they take damage is when they roll a 1. An 8 base Wisdom is pretty much the same thing as a 14 base wisdom once you get past about level 14. To get things that monsters won't save against, you want a 16-18 starting Wis, and most if not all of your level-ups going to increase it. DCs are not something you can dabble in and be effective. Go all out, or don't go at all.

[taurean430]

Hey guys, I am contemplating making a 2wf fvs, but I don't want to dump wisdom completely. I would like my blade barriers and other aoe spells to have some chance at hitting at full strength. If I do this, it will be with a 36 point build with a cleric and fvs past life.

What do you think the minimum wisdom I should aim for without sacrificing my other stats too much and still be able to have some guys not make their saves?

I'd agree with what Matuse is saying there.

Yes, you can start with a 16 wis and put you level up points elsewhere. But you are only looking at a 22-26 at level 15. Which effectively helps with the will save concept some, but mobs with evasion can beat this mod outright at that level and beyond unless they roll badly.

It really boils down to all or nothing for blade barrier damage. But even at half it's going to be rather effective. Most of the mobs that will ignore it you'd want to beat down anyway. Or slay/destruct/command if wis based.

[unbongwah]

I've been debating what to do with my FvS builds of late; in particular what a modern Superior Soul (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/243539-The-Superior-Soul) should look like. I won't pretend to have unlocked the secret recipe, but here's what I'm theory-crafting at the moment:

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Level 28 Lawful Neutral Human Female
(2 Monk \ 18 Favored Soul \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 369
Spell Points: 2345
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 17
Will: 24

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 11 13
Dexterity 15 17
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 10 12
Wisdom 17 30
Charisma 12 14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 4 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 5 (Favored Soul)


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 7 (Favored Soul)


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Favored Soul)


Level 11 (Favored Soul)


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 13 (Favored Soul)


Level 14 (Favored Soul)


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Favored Soul)


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Human Adaptability: Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Wisdom (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Font of Power (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Shield of Condemnation (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Aura of Menace (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Summon Archon (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Scourge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Scourge (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Scourge (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Smiting (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Just Reward (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Just Reward (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Just Reward (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Smiting (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Spell Power Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Spell Power Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Spell Power Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Smiting (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Crown of Retribution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Smiting (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Intense Faith (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Intense Faith (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Intense Faith (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Evocation Focus (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Zealous Faith (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Zealous Faith (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Angel of Vengeance (Fvs) - Zealous Faith (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Smite Foe (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Resilience of Battle (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Sanctuary (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - War Domain: Blur (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Smite Weakness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Wall of Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Wall of Steel (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Wall of Steel (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Inflame (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Inflame (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Inflame (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Inflame: Saving Throws (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Ameliorating Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Fvs) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 3)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Arcane Initiate


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Ruin


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Holy Strike


As with the Superior Soul, this is neither a max-melee-DPS nor max-DCs caster, but an attempt to be a hybrid at both without sucking. I brought back the monk splash because Evasion+Stunning Fist+extra feat is hard to say no to, now that DR 10 and capstones ain't worth what they used to be; drawback is only getting one lvl 9 spell (Mass Heal, Implosion, Energy Drain). Works best if you've filled out your Arcane EDs so you can Twist in +5 Evo DCs. Little worried about Reflex saves w/out Divine Grace, so maybe use 3rd Twist for Lithe or Unearthly Reactions.