New build idea

[wtorchia]

I have been taking my 17 c / 2 p /1 f build into more EE content solo lately and I have found it some what lacking. My saves are good, my PRR is good. I am just getting hit for way to much way to often. So I have been looking at a way to boost my defense and keep my offensive punch. The main way to do that right now seams to be 2 levels of monk. I really don't want to give up all the nice stuff from 2 levels of paladin. That would mean going 16 c /2 m /2 p. I know every one says that you NEED 17 levels of cleric. Here is the thing though. I NEVER cast mass heal any more. EVER. EVER. It is too slow and expensive. I am healing with my other mass cures and scrolls these days. With that in mind I have been working on this build. The idea is to use 2 x celestia or good wraps full time. Let me know your thought.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 Lawful Good Human Male
(2 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 16 Cleric \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 373
Spell Points: 1249
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 29
Reflex: 18
Will: 21

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 26
Dexterity 14 17
Constitution 14 17
Intelligence 11 14
Wisdom 9 12
Charisma 16 22

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 2 16
Bluff 3 14
Concentration 6 39
Diplomacy 3 17
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 3 14
Heal 2 35
Hide 2 11
Intimidate 3 14
Jump 3 19
Listen -1 9
Move Silently 2 11
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 10
Search 0 10
Spellcraft 1 33
Spot -1 9
Swim 3 16
Tumble n/a 15
Use Magic Device 5 25

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Empower Spell
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Adept of Forms


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Forced Escape
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Human Adaptability: Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Strength (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Strength (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Charisma (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Charisma (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Constitution (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Healing Domain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Pacifism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Burst (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Empower Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Aura (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Foe (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Resilience of Battle (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 3)

[axel15810]

I have been taking my 17 c / 2 p /1 f build into more EE content solo lately and I have found it some what lacking. My saves are good, my PRR is good. I am just getting hit for way to much way to often. So I have been looking at a way to boost my defense and keep my offensive punch. The main way to do that right now seams to be 2 levels of monk. I really don't want to give up all the nice stuff from 2 levels of paladin. That would mean going 16 c /2 m /2 p. I know every one says that you NEED 17 levels of cleric. Here is the thing though. I NEVER cast mass heal any more. EVER. EVER. It is too slow and expensive. I am healing with my other mass cures and scrolls these days. With that in mind I have been working on this build. The idea is to use 2 x celestia or good wraps full time. Let me know your thought.


I haven't read through your build but I will say that I generally agree with your reasoning to drop the 17th level. Raids is really close to dead right now, and the most popular ones generally are run way overlevel so mass heal isn't necessary or have the party spread out like FoT where most of the time you have to single target heal. I'm also finding myself hardly ever casting Mass Heal. I'm been contemplating a 16/2/2 build myself. Mass Heal is not needed in any EH or EN content, quests or raids.

However, if you're healing EE raids like VoN 6, it is still a must. And still useful for EE bossfights in regular quests when aura/bursts aren't enough. And expensive? I strongly disagree. It's actually only 10 SP more than a single heal. It's by far the most efficient SP per points healed spell in the game. And miles more efficient than mass cures. I always use it over mass cures myself because of its efficiency, the timing is an issue but I generally can just hit a quickened mass heal when redbars at around 60% and it's no problem.

Also the need for mass heal should come back when they get an endgame in place. But enjoy your build for now, I may roll one up myself.

[wtorchia]

Also the need for mass heal should come back when they get an endgame in place. But enjoy your build for now, I may roll one up myself.

That is my biggest concern with going to 16 cleric levels. I am sure as soon as I do I will need mass heal again. I really dnt want to have to TR again on this char. I have 2 x cleric past lives as it is.

[EllisDee37]

I do use mass heal to clear poison during the Harry fights in shroud. Apart from shroud, the eberron raids are healed well enough with just mass cures. And even for shroud, it's such an easy raid for epic alts that it's fine to just let the poison kill them and toss them a rez.

I've never once cast mass heal in FoT. Yeah, give it a shot. Worse comes to worst you can pick up an LR+1 to add a 17th cleric level.

[axel15810]

That is my biggest concern with going to 16 cleric levels. I am sure as soon as I do I will need mass heal again. I really dnt want to have to TR again on this char. I have 2 x cleric past lives as it is.

You can always LR, I say go for it if you really are never using mass heal on your toon.

[wtorchia]

You can always LR, I say go for it if you really are never using mass heal on your toon.

Just need 2 x +1 heart of wood and I am set ;) I am in a 17/2/1 build right now. Dnt really want to TR again. Like I said. Just kicking around an idea.

[ArcaneArcher52689]

Question #1
What weapons are you using?
Because from you're build, i'd have to assume kamas (the only centered slashing weapon). And then I'd have to ask why not unarmed?


Question #2
What does 16 cleric offer you that 15 doesn't, and would a 3rd monk level be more worthwhile?
You spend enough AP in shintao for another 10 positive sp and 5% Heal amp. You also get path of light strike for more self healing and buffs.

[nibel]

Question #2
What does 16 cleric offer you that 15 doesn't, and would a 3rd monk level be more worthwhile?

Cleric 16:

+1 Fortitude and Will
One extra 7th and 8th spell slot (for a total of 4 and 3)
~80 SP
+1 caster level
+1 cleric level for Healing Burst and Healing Aura

Monk 3:

5% striding
Fists of Light (for buffs)
Shintao core 2 (5% heal amp, 10 positive SP)
Up to +3 Wisdom (from each monk tree. Possibly, only +1 from shintao)

Light combos are nice for the buffs. The other perks depends on how your enhancements are spent. If you have enough points to invest on shintao, extra heal amp, wisdom and spell power is nice. If you have invested on Healing Aura, cleric might be valuable.

I would say both options are good.

[wtorchia]

Question #1
What weapons are you using?
Because from you're build, i'd have to assume kamas (the only centered slashing weapon). And then I'd have to ask why not unarmed?


Question #2
What does 16 cleric offer you that 15 doesn't, and would a 3rd monk level be more worthwhile?
You spend enough AP in shintao for another 10 positive sp and 5% Heal amp. You also get path of light strike for more self healing and buffs.

That should be piercing not slashing. I would be using 2 x celestia. You do have a point about a 3rd monk level. I will play around with it some.

UPDATE:

Here is a quick version of the build with 3 x monk. i did not do skills.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 Lawful Good Human Male
(2 Paladin \ 3 Monk \ 15 Cleric \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 373
Spell Points: 790
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 27
Reflex: 18
Will: 20

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 26
Dexterity 14 17
Constitution 14 17
Intelligence 11 14
Wisdom 9 12
Charisma 16 22

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 2 14
Bluff 3 14
Concentration 2 16
Diplomacy 3 17
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 3 14
Heal -1 12
Hide 2 11
Intimidate 3 14
Jump 3 19
Listen -1 9
Move Silently 2 11
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 10
Search 0 10
Spellcraft 0 10
Spot -1 9
Swim 3 16
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Empower Spell
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Adept of Forms


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Forced Escape
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Human Adaptability: Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Strength (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Strength (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Charisma (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Charisma (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Constitution (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Constitution (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Healing Domain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Pacifism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Burst (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Empower Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Aura (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Foe (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Protection from Tainted Creatures (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 2)