Best ways to get 100 commendations of valor

[EllisDee37]

Hopefully we can hammer out some good daily circuits to run on multiple characters.

With heart seeds coming, I'm thinking the best way to farm epic/iconic hearts will be with a stable of epic characters. I could envision having 6 epic characters doing a "100 valor dash" each day to get the full 42 heart seeds in a week. For the more hardcore, have 7 characters race to 300 valor each day to get your epic heart in 2 days. *swoon*

If you're doing the same circuit on multiple alts, running time will have to be factored in. Impossible Demands is not a 30-45 second completion; from the time you use the Key to the City to the time you actually collect the comms is likely going to be at least 5 minutes. That just means that quests right next to each other get a bit of a boost in attractiveness.

Here are the design goals I'm curious about:

- One circuit should be no more than one set of ship buffs, so one hour tops start to finish
- What's the fastest way to get 100 comms for top end players?
- What's the fastest way to get 200 comms for top end players?
- What's the fastest/easiest way to get 100 comms for mediocre players? Mostly EH with easy EEs included.
- What's the fastest/easiest way to get 100 comms for weak players? EH only.
- Mention if group vs solo matters

What can we come up with?

EDIT: Note that you wouldn't normally need the full 42 seeds. Just getting to level 28 will net you around 1500-2000 valor just running normally, so around a third of the way there to start with. However, if you had a 28 at cap when U20 went live, or maybe used an Otto's Box and xp pots, you may be under 1000 comms when you hit cap so a bunch of seed runs would be the way to go.

[brian14]

I would say for a group your best bet is to run Sschindrylyn chain elite. Three "House" quests will get you 105 CoV's. I doubt you can squeeze Portal Opens into hour, but if you can -- or are not hung up on finishing within an hour, -- that's 140 CoV's.

If you solo AND can handle elite King's Forest quests alone (it's harder than it sounds, at least on a melee), then I would do Impossible Demands elite/hard/normal, then Unquiet Graves and Lost Thread elite. 113 CoV's under an hour.

[EllisDee37]

That's a good start, though broken chains is pretty long, isn't it? Both rusted blades and death undone are super short, especially since you can just buy a rogue hire to open the shortcut locked door.


For a pure EH solo run suitable for any soloable character my first thought is:
18 Rusted Blades (level 9 fighter hire with ddoor)
18 Death Undone (level 24 rogue hire to open the locked door)
21 Druid's Deep 1
21 Druid's Deep 2
21 Druid's Deep 3
---
99...doh!

[myliftkk_v2]

Here's what I would do.

Get your ship buffs, key to estar, and reset all 3 MOTU quest chains and Overgrowth - say 5m
Run ID EE - 5m (including run to quest) = 30 comms
Run to UG - <3m
Run EH UG - <3m = 15 comms
Run EH Overgrowth - <3m = 21 comms

19m = 66 comms

Here's where it gets interesting. If you're a UMD capable, you can immediately scroll teleport to House P

Run EE Snitch - <10m = 25 comms

29m = 91 comms

30 minutes left, only 9 comms short, so do whatever you want. If you have a party, I'd say scroll to House K and do

Run EE Prisoner - <9m = 30 comms

Return to ship, logout (because Prisoner is conveniently near portal).

Whole circuit should net you more than 100 comms and you even have time to rebuff on the ship before logging out.

[Thrudh]

Hopefully we can hammer out some good daily circuits to run on multiple characters.

With heart seeds coming, I'm thinking the best way to farm epic/iconic hearts will be with a stable of epic characters. I could envision having 6 epic characters doing a "100 valor dash" each day to get the full 42 heart seeds in a week.

6 hours a day, 7 days a week, repeating the same 4-5 quests over and over and over.

It's like you guys WANT to hate your life.

[Hendrik]

For 100, run 2 EE High Road.

For 200, run 4 EE High Road.

Will take you about 2hrs to get 200.

[Teh_Troll]

For 100, run 2 EE High Road.

For 200, run 4 EE High Road.

Will take you about 2hrs to get 200.

Pretty much. Best bet is just to run the high-level EE. Issue with that is off-destiny farming for karma. uggh.

[Teh_Troll]

6 hours a day, 7 days a week, repeating the same 4-5 quests over and over and over.

It's like you guys WANT to hate your life.

Fanboi it up some more while you're at it. People are responding to the situation Turbine has setup which as it stands will lead to more player frustration than anything else.

[TPICKRELL]

Last life, when I was trying to do it on my main who is a light monk, heres the loop I used:

35 CoV 7 minutes EE Rusted Blades (easy if you have ddoor (i use shadowdancer for this) and wings/abundant/cannith propulsion...)
15 CoV 4 Minutes EH Impossible Demands (30 COVs if toon can do EE)
15 CoV 8 Minutes EH Unquiet Graves
24 CoV 15 Minutes EH A Stay at the Inn
24 CoV 13 Minutes EH Lost in the Swamp
24 CoV 13 Minutes EH Rest Stop

137 CoV 60 Minutes

[hit_fido]

People are responding to the situation Turbine has setup which as it stands will lead to more player frustration than anything else.

What it's leading to is players like EllisDee rolling up their sleeves and figuring out how to work around the system - in a few months or less Epic Heart farming will be approaching the triviality that True Heart farming has become over time and the latest rage storm will have dissipated - and if Turbine makes any downward adjustment then so much the faster. Good grief man, people are already showing they can level from 20 to 28 with only ~65 quest runs averaging 100k per run. High achieving players will figure out the CoV puzzle soon enough and the rest will follow.

Enjoy the weather while it lasts!

[Teh_Troll]

Good grief man, people are already showing they can level from 20 to 28 with only ~65 quest runs averaging 100k per run.

I don't believe you. Link please or you're talking out your arse.

And if you're talking about running EE/EH VON3 once a day for 65 days . . .

[Thrudh]

Fanboi it up some more while you're at it. People are responding to the situation Turbine has setup which as it stands will lead to more player frustration than anything else.

Where in my post am I defending Turbine? I agree that karma and covs both need to be lowered.

My point is maybe instead of responding to Turbine's changes by GRINDING until one's eyes bleed, one relax a bit, and maybe Epic TR a little slower.

Or if you're so OCD that you have to have Epic Completionist by April, maybe one's time would be better spent getting a part-time job where you work ONE hour a week to pay for a heart, instead of grinding out 42 hours a week running the same 5 quests 42 times each.

[xTethx]

EE then EH Through a Darkly Mirror. Zerg invis and complete both in 20 mins. That's like 80 ish comms.

[brian14]

Here's what I would do.

Get your ship buffs, key to estar, and reset all 3 MOTU quest chains and Overgrowth - say 5m
Run ID EE - 5m (including run to quest) = 30 comms
Run to UG - <3m
Run EH UG - <3m = 15 comms
Run EH Overgrowth - <3m = 21 comms

19m = 66 comms

Here's where it gets interesting. If you're a UMD capable, you can immediately scroll teleport to House P

Run EE Snitch - <10m = 25 comms
Umm... I only ran epic Snitch once, on EH. I am quite sure Crateos fight alone took well over 10 minutes. I could do it faster now with Pinion, but still...

[hit_fido]

I don't believe you. Link please or you're talking out your arse.

And if you're talking about running EE/EH VON3 once a day for 65 days . . .



I did not "run for xp", I ran motu (except for one quest), von 1-4, druid deep chain, wheloon chain, storm horns chain, wizking, study in sable, and lod chain. I ran a few of those quests twice, but normally just once. That gave me 1500 comms, and got me to 28.

EDIT: Forgot GH quests and high road quests in the above.

So that guy ran around 50 different quests, and for me it was reasonable to say approximately 65 runs in all to account for running "a few of those quests twice" - that number wasn't challenged. It makes sense against his CoV total as well. 65 runs for 1500 CoV is about 23 CoV per run... ehard Gianthold should be awarding 24 CoV per run. So yeah, I take what he said at face value - that's 6.6M xp from ~65 runs.

[Teh_Troll]

So that guy ran around 50 different quests, and for me it was reasonable to say approximately 65 runs in all to account for running "a few of those quests twice" - that number wasn't challenged. It makes sense against his CoV total as well. 65 runs for 1500 CoV is about 23 CoV per run... ehard Gianthold should be awarding 24 CoV per run. So yeah, I take what he said at face value - that's 6.6M xp from ~65 runs.

So you pulled it completely out your arse, got it.

[Teh_Troll]

Where in my post am I defending Turbine? I agree that karma and covs both need to be lowered.



So you just hate power-gamers so much that you have to insult them unprovoked for no reason? if you were defending Turbine's stupid design you'd at least have a reason.

[hit_fido]

So you pulled it completely out your arse, got it.

:rolleyes:

[brian14]

Or if you're so OCD that you have to have Epic Completionist by April, maybe one's time would be better spent getting a part-time job where you work ONE hour a week to pay for a heart, instead of grinding out 42 hours a week running the same 5 quests 42 times each.
LOL!

All hearts happen to be on sale this week, and I just bought one epic heart. In next 5-6 months I plan to ER only two characters, one each. The only reason I bought one heart as opposed to two, is that I expect these characters to collect 4200 CoV's on their way to 28 as a matter of course.

[Darkrok]

Or if you're so OCD that you have to have Epic Completionist by April, maybe one's time would be better spent getting a part-time job where you work ONE hour a week to pay for a heart, instead of grinding out 42 hours a week running the same 5 quests 42 times each.

Ok, wherever you stand on the CoV's conversation this is funny. It's really the truth - pay 1495 TP's which, while varying in price and the income of the person in question, would likely be about an hour of work on average, or grind out 42 hours of 5 quests 42 times each. Obviously if you have fun doing those 5 quests 42 times each then this is a no-brainer. If it becomes a job though? Yeah, 1 hour of a job is better than 42 hours of a job for the same outcome.

[Teh_Troll]

. . . I expect these characters to collect 4200 CoV's on their way to 28 as a matter of course.

it's good seeing people's expectations crushed like a Toyota versus Godzilla.

[Mat59765]

Don't have any times but I'm running EH maze and EH trial by fire, then on to EE ID and EE graves as a priority then depending on time to play/not just farm covs we do EH dont drink EE bargain EE Von1


EH stormhorns can be a nice change of pace when there's a pug up

[Thrudh]

So you just hate power-gamers so much that you have to insult them unprovoked for no reason? if you were defending Turbine's stupid design you'd at least have a reason.

I don't hate them... I feel sorry for them. I was trying to point out that maybe this "solution" is just going to make the grumpy powergamers on these boards more grumpy.

Turbine should indeed lower the comms and karma, so people aren't so grumpy... but torturing yourself for 40+ hours a week is not a great answer.

[HungarianRhapsody]

6 hours a day, 7 days a week, repeating the same 4-5 quests over and over and over.

It's like you guys WANT to hate your life.

You keep making this same type of post over and over again. Do you enjoy repeating yourself pointlessly on the forums? I can't understand how that would be enjoyable for anyone. It's like you want to make yourself miserable on the forums.

[Teh_Troll]

I don't hate them... I feel sorry for them. I was trying to point out that maybe this "solution" is just going to make the grumpy powergamers on these boards more grumpy.

Wrong. A pointless ******** monotonous task (CoV farming for example) TAKING LONGER THAN IT NEEDS TO is what makes people grumpy. CoV grind is nothing but mindless monotony, like the ED grind it was much less painful getting it done as fast as possible.



Turbine should indeed lower the comms and karma, so people aren't so grumpy... but torturing yourself for 40+ hours a week is not a great answer.

40+ hours of torture is by design. Your vitriol needs to be directed at Turbine.

[hit_fido]

40+ hours of torture is by design. Your vitriol needs to be directed at Turbine.

Except now we're already down to ~20 hours for 4200 CoV:


EE then EH Through a Darkly Mirror. Zerg invis and complete both in 20 mins. That's like 80 ish comms.

Or less since you're going to pick up 1500 or more on the way to 28 anyway.

Wait a minute, what orifice did you pull 40+ hours out of? Quick, shove it back in there!

[rest]

You keep making this same type of post over and over again. Do you enjoy repeating yourself pointlessly on the forums? I can't understand how that would be enjoyable for anyone. It's like you want to make yourself miserable on the forums.

Toppie.

[Pentaur-Silvermane]

You can control your own mindset.

Turbine doesn't force you to do anything.

You guys don't know how to play the game anymore. You are seriously addicted to crack cocaine, and the only thing that gives you pleasure is that next hit. You are not having fun at all in the game itself, only when you get the rush of another level, another past life, another +1 to something.

There is no fun at all inside the quests, just monotonous grind. The only thing that makes you happy is checking off one more epic past-life (out of 36!), and then grinding another 40 hours to check off one more.

I understand that stimuli. Getting that next level, that next action point, finally getting that rare loot you wanted... Those affect me too. But you are guys are completely losing sight of the big picture. If the game itself is not fun, stop playing. Making your characters more and more powerful for an end-game that doesn't exist AND YOU DON'T ENJOY THE PROCESS AT ALL is a colossal waste of time.

What's wrong with them playing the game the way THEY want to play it?

Heaven forbid someone get some enjoyment out of the game in way that's differant from you (or in this case Turbine has decided).

[maddmatt70]

Chain 3 of the MOTU is actually pretty good as well. Really running the whole MOTU Saga is a good way to go. You can run the whole chain and dont drink the water and belly in the beast in under 3 hours, get good xp, saga award and nice comm rate.

[Enoach]

So far I think I've seen 3 maybe 4 posts that relate to different methods of getting 100 CoVs in an hour... I think this is what the OP is looking for, options not a single path, but options to get this done.

Gianthold quests sit at the perfect level and quests like Feast or Famine, Cabal For One, Trial By Fire and Maze of Madness can all be done in an hours time for 96 CoVs on EH more if at least one is done on EE, the quests are grouped together in pairs of two, so minimal running. Many of these quests are "Practiced" because they made for good XP even before their Epic conversion.

I think if we come up with multiple methods to "get 100" a person could then create a nightly cycle started like using a "Shotgun" start in a golf tournament. Thus allowing them to run different content all day and each day run the content on different characters, by spreading this out it would reduce the monotony that could happen from repetition (or at least stave it off)

[Thrudh]

What's wrong with them playing the game the way THEY want to play it?

Heaven forbid someone get some enjoyment out of the game in way that's differant from you (or in this case Turbine has decided).

I have no problem with that at all... But they DON'T get enjoyment out of the game... Don't read these forums? They come here all the time and complain about how much they hate the game.

Hey Teh_Troll, did I do good? I derailed this thread real good, eh!

Also, as a guy with 15000 posts (or whatever I'm up to), I know I'm a pot calling the kettle black when I talk about being too invested in this video game. Doesn't make the kettle less black though.

The problem is we all need goals, and you guys are out of goals. The only goal left is comms and epic TRs... Most of us still have plenty of other goals, so we can get our comms leisurely as we just play the game without grinding for one purpose only.

[Thrudh]

So far I think I've seen 3 maybe 4 posts that relate to different methods of getting 100 CoVs in an hour... I think this is what the OP is looking for, options not a single path, but options to get this done.

Gianthold quests sit at the perfect level and quests like Feast or Famine, Cabal For One, Trial By Fire and Maze of Madness can all be done in an hours time for 96 CoVs on EH more if at least one is done on EE, the quests are grouped together in pairs of two, so minimal running. Many of these quests are "Practiced" because they made for good XP even before their Epic conversion.

I think if we come up with multiple methods to "get 100" a person could then create a nightly cycle started like using a "Shotgun" start in a golf tournament. Thus allowing them to run different content all day and each day run the content on different characters, by spreading this out it would reduce the monotony that could happen from repetition (or at least stave it off)

Excellent way to do it. Great post.

[Teh_Troll]

Hey Teh_Troll, did I do good? I derailed this thread real good, eh!


My long term goal is to convert you into one of my minions. Ask Chai, the pay is good as is the medical plan.

[myliftkk_v2]

Umm... I only ran epic Snitch once, on EH. I am quite sure Crateos fight alone took well over 10 minutes. I could do it faster now with Pinion, but still...

You were hitting Craeteos with empty fists?

[Wipey]

Higher level stuff, EE Mirror Darkly, Break in the Ice, Tracker's Trap, just need a friend or two cause of 250k bosses but big part of it is invisizergable, and you may get some "oh shiny" desirable loot.
EH WGU half is invised, other half Blitzable, EH Breaking the Ranks and Lines is blitzed in 20 mins, you might get some nice stuff from chain rewards ( it's **** most the time of couse, but at least something )

Or combine it with Saga if you need tomes, or maybe particular Planar Focus, GH stuff is pretty much dead for loot except Tor.

Something like King's Forest AGAIN solely for the purpose of CoVs is ticket to madhouse.

[myliftkk_v2]

Except now we're already down to ~20 hours for 4200 CoV:



Or less since you're going to pick up 1500 or more on the way to 28 anyway.

Wait a minute, what orifice did you pull 40+ hours out of? Quick, shove it back in there!

Ummm, you realize you can't pick up comms from EE & EH in the same 18hr period right, except for the one time bonus?

By all means run it twice, see what happens.

[Pentaur-Silvermane]

I have no problem with that at all... But they DON'T get enjoyment out of the game... Don't read these forums? They come here all the time and complain about how much they hate the game.

Hey Teh_Troll, did I do good? I derailed this thread real good, eh!

Also, as a guy with 15000 posts (or whatever I'm up to), I know I'm a pot calling the kettle black when I talk about being too invested in this video game. Doesn't make the kettle less black though.

The problem is we all need goals, and you guys are out of goals. The only goal left is comms and epic TRs... Most of us still have plenty of other goals, so we can get our comms leisurely as we just play the game without grinding for one purpose only.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide whether they are having fun. Only the player can decide that.

Yes I read the forums everyday.

Every forum in every MMO is like this; DDO is not special in that reguard.

[hit_fido]

Ummm, you realize you can't pick up comms from EE & EH in the same 18hr period right, except for the one time bonus?

Doh! So 55 CoV in a single ~10-12 minute EE run then, or more depending on how many characters you can rotate. If you have three characters you could easily fit in 3 runs in an hour or about 150+ CoV in an hour, or two characters for ~100 CoV in half an hour. The most efficient strategy will definitely make use of 2+ characters same as the old (pre easy-DA/challenge) token farming.

[NytCrawlr]

6 hours a day, 7 days a week, repeating the same 4-5 quests over and over and over.

It's like you guys WANT to hate your life.

Exactly!

No thank you!

The easiest thing is for the Devs to just lower the amount of CoV needed by a decent amount.

While I appreciate people trying to come up with good and quick solutions to get to 4200, some of us want to ER and not have to kill our equilibrium to do it.

[danotmano1998]

6 hours a day, 7 days a week, repeating the same 4-5 quests over and over and over.

It's like you guys WANT to hate your life.

They just play the game differently.
For some people, efficiency is the top priority.
Running quests like this allows the maximum return (CoV's) for the shortest investment (time).

It's not about hating the grind, it's about being efficient.

Viewpoints on how to play the game are just completely different is all.
I doubt that your logic will ever work on them or theirs will ever work on you simply because of the disparity of goals and mindset.

[NytCrawlr]

My long term goal is to convert you into one of my minions. Ask Chai, the pay is good as is the medical plan.

Sign me up then, I could use the medical.

[Pentaur-Silvermane]

Viewpoints on how to play the game are just completely different is all.
I doubt that your logic will ever work on them or theirs will ever work on you simply because of the disparity of goals and mindset.

Minimizers (flowersniffers) are correct.

Maximizers (zergers) are correct.

There is no "wrong way" to get fun out of a game.

[hit_fido]

EllisDee, have you seen this:

Epic XP, Commendations the Full story

That guy is asserting that "Doing everything one and done on Hard and Elite will get your character to cap with enough commendations to ETR" and that you can "earn your hearts by doing 4 hours of dedicated zerging every day for 4 days" which puts the total time at ~16 hours for 4200 CoV or about 262 CoV per hour. Seems like a very high rate of CoV, any thoughts on the veracity of his numbers and conclusion?

[slarden]

EE Impossible Demands
EE Trial by Fury
EE Deal and the Demon

30 min 110 coms. Easily Soloable. I would rather run the whole saga and get a saga reward.

[maddmatt70]

They just play the game differently.
For some people, efficiency is the top priority.
Running quests like this allows the maximum return (CoV's) for the shortest investment (time).

It's not about hating the grind, it's about being efficient.

Viewpoints on how to play the game are just completely different is all.
I doubt that your logic will ever work on them or theirs will ever work on you simply because of the disparity of goals and mindset.

I personally have a problem with the people that can complete epic elite relatively quickly/decently, but would rather play epic hard because it is more efficient timewise for them. Epic hard is so boring. Why do you play this game? Seriously, they say their time is valuable well I would argue why are you playing DDO on a boring easy difficulty for you if your time is so valuable. There are much better things to do in life then something that provides 0 stimulation. BORING ALERT.

[HungarianRhapsody]

I personally have a problem with the people that can complete epic elite relatively quickly/decently, but would rather play epic hard because it is more efficient timewise for them. Epic hard is so boring. Why do you play this game? Seriously, they say their time is valuable well I would argue why are you playing DDO on a boring easy difficulty for you if your time is so valuable. There are much better things to do in life then something that provides 0 stimulation. BORING ALERT.

When you say that you would find that boring, I don't think anyone can disagree. It's 100% okay to not understand how someone else can get enjoyment out of something. I'm dating a lovely woman who I think is tremendous. She likes me very much. I can't see the appeal of dating men, but I'm very glad that she does. She can't see the appeal of why someone would want to date a woman, but I absolutely do enjoy women, so she's glad that I have a different preference than she has.

If everyone liked the same thing, then we'd be in a sad world, indeed.

On the other hand, I don't think that what you said here is at all offensive. Making one statement that you don't understand someone else's play style and that you don't find that play style appealing is fine. Harping on the subject continuously and mocking and deriding people for their preference like Thrudh does is quite different. That kind of condescending, constant barrage of negativity that he puts forth is offensive and tiresome. Truly, his Troll-fu is strong.

[Teh_Troll]

I personally have a problem with the people that can complete epic elite relatively quickly/decently, but would rather play epic hard because it is more efficient timewise for them. Epic hard is so boring. Why do you play this game? Seriously, they say their time is valuable well I would argue why are you playing DDO on a boring easy difficulty for you if your time is so valuable. There are much better things to do in life then something that provides 0 stimulation. BORING ALERT.

Off destinies for the ******** Karma leveling.

[sk3l3t0r]

I personally have a problem with the people that can complete epic elite relatively quickly/decently, but would rather play epic hard because it is more efficient timewise for them. Epic hard is so boring. Why do you play this game? Seriously, they say their time is valuable well I would argue why are you playing DDO on a boring easy difficulty for you if your time is so valuable. There are much better things to do in life then something that provides 0 stimulation. BORING ALERT.

Baffles me too, but I just live and let live, saves me a ton of stress worrying about what other people do. Let it go, let them bore themselves to death if that is how you see it. Seriously it's not worth the argument IMO. Both sides will argue until they are blue in the face and neither will admit defeat because they both see themselves as being in the right.

I accepted the fact this update wasn't aimed at me as a player because of my playstyle. So I am just not going to even consider ETR as an activity to do in game and focus on what I find fun to do. At a later time I may revisit that decision as more content and updates come out, but for now in it's current state, ETR is not for me. I get much more satisfaction running challenges for a Heroic heart anyways in about 6 hours effort spread out over a few weeks. I will probably take a similar approach to comms. pick them up along the way while I am doing stuff I enjoy doing. Bessides I rarely play at the EH level of play anyways. and have never played in any EE content.

I think more people will enjoy this game if they realise that not every update is for them.

[CheeseMilk]

Y'all paladins should take some ranger levels and pick up some EMPATHY.

[sk3l3t0r]

Y'all paladins should take some ranger levels and pick up some EMPATHY.

Specialy since FR content won't drop any Festivult coins ;)

[brian14]

Ummm, you realize you can't pick up comms from EE & EH in the same 18hr period right, except for the one time bonus?

By all means run it twice, see what happens.
I ran Impossible Demands twice yesterday (EH and EE), and got comms for both. Are you saying this can only happen one time?

Edited: This was my first EE run of that quest, but second EH run. So I did not have first-time bonus at least on the EH.

[HungarianRhapsody]

Y'all paladins should take some ranger levels and pick up some EMPATHY.

Sigworthy

[CheeseMilk]

Yours was better.

[Oxarhamar]

I ran Impossible Demands twice yesterday (EH and EE), and got comms for both. Are you saying this can only happen one time?

Edited: This was my first EE run of that quest, but second EH run. So I did not have first-time bonus at least on the EH.

I would guess by your facts that you ran EH first got your daily first time CoV then ran EE first time bonus and got your COV

you will never get CoV for running this quest on EH and EE in the same day again.

maybe EN if you have not run that difficulty yet and you run either EH or EE first to get your daily CoV.

[brian14]

I would guess by your facts that you ran EH first got your daily first time CoV then ran EE first time bonus and got your COV
I see. Yes, that was the sequence of events.

[Chai]

40+ hours of torture is by design. Your vitriol needs to be directed at Turbine.

This.

WHen it turns into a grind solely for the heart and nothing else is when it starts becomming irritating. When I get to 28 and all I want to do is TR and I still have to grind or pay is when the tinfoil hat comes out of the drawer and I start talking about designing the game to be irritating enough to get us to pay for stuff. The fact that it all has to be done on the same toon is another supporting fact.

[Chai]

My long term goal is to convert you into one of my minions. Ask Chai, the pay is good as is the medical plan.

The cookies werent just a one time benefit for joining the darkside either. We have them year around.

[Gremmlynn]

Fanboi it up some more while you're at it. People are responding to the situation Turbine has setup which as it stands will lead to more player frustration than anything else.Do people really find those ePL feats worth this kind of grind though?

Personally, I'll just eTR whenever I get the comms as what they get me would seem hardly noticeable. Better than spinning my wheels for no progress, but hardly something I'm going to put my self out for.

[Teh_Troll]

Do people really find those ePL feats worth this kind of grind though?


No, they aren't.

[brian14]

Do people really find those ePL feats worth this kind of grind though?

Personally, I'll just eTR whenever I get the comms as what they get me would seem hardly noticeable. Better than spinning my wheels for no progress, but hardly something I'm going to put my self out for.
The only ePL feat I consider worth grinding for is Colors of the Queen for my ranger -- because I prefer under-20 content, and believe I would enjoy it more with that feat. And by "grinding" in this case I mean grinding 6,000,000 karma. As I said earlier, I already bought a heart from DDO Store.

My bard happened to max out Fatesinger ED and then TR few months ago. Then Turbine decided that any recent TR who has a maxed-out ED automatically gets 6,000,000 karma. So for him that particular hurdle is settled. Arcane ePL feats are pretty much junk, but by the time he gets to 28, I should have 4200 CoV's between all my toons. Might as well use it.

[pasterqb]

Solo EH GH Old Walkups
Times are running to quest and getting out of quest(Sorry if too slow)
Feast of Famine 6:35
A cabal for one 7:36
Foundation of Discord 8:52
A Cry for Help 9:27
Trial by Fire 5:23
120 Coms

So From Airship to Quests and Back to Gianthold Public Area in 37:53 for 120 Coms. Can easily be done faster though with better destiny, Epic past lives and a build that doesn't get crippled every 3 seconds.

EH Demonweb Chain Cavern to Cavern Solo
22:04
63 Coms

[Postumus]

My long term goal is to convert you into one of my minions. Ask Chai, the pay is good as is the medical plan.


Chai and The Troll allies? Great idea for a WWE heel tag-team.

"Ladies and gentlemen, in the center ring, it's Spammer and Yammer!"

[EllisDee37]

I have no problem with that at all... But they DON'T get enjoyment out of the game... Don't read these forums? They come here all the time and complain about how much they hate the game.You keep painting with quite the broad brush in this thread. This is my thread. I don't run EE, I don't grind, I don't zerg, I never window-farmed before the xp ransack system; for heroic TR I run each quest once and break all breakables, and do almost all optionals. I even do all explorer points. The diversity is what I enjoy about the game.

Because I don't run EE content I'll end up around 1500-2000 comms per cycle, meaning once I hit 28 I'll need to sit there and grind out over 2000 comms. However, I do keep a stable of four epic characters at all times. It occured to me that if I could come up with quick and easy seed runs for 100 comms each then I could distribute the load over several characters and make real progress once I'm left with no other objections but valor for the heart on that particular life.

The hope is that I end up with 3-4 good seed runs, allowing maximum variety. Of course you had to come in and $%@$# all over the thread, assuming I was exactly the opposite of the kind of player I am. But don't let that get in your way; please, continue to %$#%$ all over me and my thread. That's apparently you're idea of fun. Maybe you're the one who should get a job.


The problem is we all need goals, and you guys are out of goals. The only goal left is comms and epic TRs... Most of us still have plenty of other goals, so we can get our comms leisurely as we just play the game without grinding for one purpose only.In what way am I out of goals? I still have many heroic past lives planned. If Epic Reincarnation is a viable achievement for all of those lives, so much the better. Going from 1 to 28 and back again is exactly what I would like to do if the grind isn't too bad.

As far as "just buy a heart you loser", which is what pretty much all your posts in this thread amount to, you can go ahead and bite me.

[EllisDee37]

Excellent way to do it. Great post.Why did you assume that wasn't exactly the kind of thing I was looking for with this thread? Why is an example of the responses I was hoping for "excellent" and "great" but asking the question makes me a joyless loser?

[EllisDee37]

Well, I have a feeling Thrudh's threads5%$%ing is going to derail this thread into the ground, but if it gets too bad I'll just make him the only forum poster on any forum I've ever put on ignore. I really want a long list of "seed runs" choices to work with. Here's what I see so far in the thread, discounting any runs that total less than multiples of 100:

brian14 (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190359&viewfull=1#post5190359):
35 Rusted Blades EE
35 Death Undone EE
35 Broken Chains EE
----
105

myliftkk_v2 (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190377&viewfull=1#post5190377)
30 Impossible Demands EE
15 Unquiet Graves EH
21 Overgrowth EH
25 Snitch EE
30 Prisoner EE
----
121 (I think the Crateos fight may hurt the fun & time here.)

TPICKRELL (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190418&viewfull=1#post5190418)
35 Rusted Blades EE
15 Impossible Demands EH
15 Unquiet Graves EH
24 A Stay at the Inn EH
24 Lost in the Swamp EH
24 Rest Stop EH
----
137

Mat59765 (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190493&viewfull=1#post5190493)
24 Maze of Madness EH
24 Trial By Fire EH
30 Impossible Demands EE
30 Unquiet Graves EE
----
108

Encair (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190563&viewfull=1#post5190563)
55 Through a Mirror Darkly EE
60 Break in the Ice EE
60 Tracker's Trap EE
----
175

slarden (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190602&viewfull=1#post5190602)
30 Impossible Demands EE
35 Trial by Fury EE
35 Deal and the Demon EE
----
110

pasterqb (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190876&viewfull=1#post5190876)
24 Feast or Famine EH (6:35)
24 A Cabal for One EH (7:36)
24 Foundation of Discord EH (8:52)
24 A Cry for Help EH (9:27)
24 Trial by Fire EH (5:23)
----
120 (~38 minutes from last ship buff to back on ship)

Great start, and I'm starting to see a picture form.

[SilkofDrasnia]

You keep painting with quite the broad brush in this thread. This is my thread. I don't run EE, I don't grind, I don't zerg, I never window-farmed before the xp ransack system; for heroic TR I run each quest once and break all breakables, and do almost all optionals. I even do all explorer points. The diversity is what I enjoy about the game.

Because I don't run EE content I'll end up around 1500-2000 comms per cycle, meaning once I hit 28 I'll need to sit there and grind out over 2000 comms. However, I do keep a stable of four epic characters at all times. It occured to me that if I could come up with quick and easy seed runs for 100 comms each then I could distribute the load over several characters and make real progress once I'm left with no other objections but valor for the heart on that particular life.

The hope is that I end up with 3-4 good seed runs, allowing maximum variety. Of course you had to come in and $%@$# all over the thread, assuming I was exactly the opposite of the kind of player I am. But don't let that get in your way; please, continue to %$#%$ all over me and my thread. That's apparently you're idea of fun. Maybe you're the one who should get a job.

In what way am I out of goals? I still have many heroic past lives planned. If Epic Reincarnation is a viable achievement for all of those lives, so much the better. Going from 1 to 28 and back again is exactly what I would like to do if the grind isn't too bad.

As far as "just buy a heart you loser", which is what pretty much all your posts in this thread amount to, you can go ahead and bite me.

With Thurdh you just have to learn to put on shades and look away so as not to be blinded by the light (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcWVL4B-4pI)!

Your reply though I quite enjoyed and can understand your need to express yourself and agree with much of what you say.

This is a really good thread and I look forward to seeing more ideas on how to com farm.

A variation on brains list:


brian14 (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190359&viewfull=1#post5190359):
35 Rusted Blades EE
35 Death Undone EE
35 Broken Chains EE
30 Impossible Demands EE you can pick up on the way to handing in the first 3 and is a quick run to quest.
----
135

30 Unquiet Graves EE possibly this one too
---
165

[EllisDee37]

Hey, for the people who run EEs normally, how fast/difficult are EE fathom and claw? That would be 60 comms for the two of them. I can blast through both in under 15 minutes start to finish on EH, but that's only 30 comms combined. Still, to help offer more options even the EH version might be worth tossing on a "flavor" list.

[LFKnowledge]

Chai and The Troll allies? Great idea for a WWE heel tag-team.

"Ladies and gentlemen, in the center ring, it's Spammer and Yammer!"

which is which?

[LFKnowledge]

Well, I have a feeling Thrudh's threads5%$%ing is going to derail this thread into the ground, but if it gets too bad I'll just make him the only forum poster on any forum I've ever put on ignore. I really want a long list of "seed runs" choices to work with. Here's what I see so far in the thread, discounting any runs that total less than multiples of 100:

brian14 (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190359&viewfull=1#post5190359):
35 Rusted Blades EE
35 Death Undone EE
35 Broken Chains EE
----
105

myliftkk_v2 (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190377&viewfull=1#post5190377)
30 Impossible Demands EE
15 Unquiet Graves EH
21 Overgrowth EH
25 Snitch EE
30 Prisoner EE
----
121 (I think the Crateos fight may hurt the fun & time here.)

TPICKRELL (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190418&viewfull=1#post5190418)
35 Rusted Blades EE
15 Impossible Demands EH
15 Unquiet Graves EH
24 A Stay at the Inn EH
24 Lost in the Swamp EH
24 Rest Stop EH
----
137

Mat59765 (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190493&viewfull=1#post5190493)
24 Maze of Madness EH
24 Trial By Fire EH
30 Impossible Demands EE
30 Unquiet Graves EE
----
108

Encair (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190563&viewfull=1#post5190563)
55 Through a Mirror Darkly EE
60 Break in the Ice EE
60 Tracker's Trap EE
----
175

slarden (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190602&viewfull=1#post5190602)
30 Impossible Demands EE
35 Trial by Fury EE
35 Deal and the Demon EE
----
110

pasterqb (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432126-Best-ways-to-get-100-commendations-of-valor?p=5190876&viewfull=1#post5190876)
24 Feast or Famine EH (6:35)
24 A Cabal for One EH (7:36)
24 Foundation of Discord EH (8:52)
24 A Cry for Help EH (9:27)
24 Trial by Fire EH (5:23)
----
120 (~38 minutes from last ship buff to back on ship)

Great start, and I'm starting to see a picture form.

I like pasterqb's list, since it lists the time estimates. Didn't go back and check, but it would be a great format to give the audience a good estimate of each circuit's total quest time.

[LFKnowledge]

so people aren't so grumpy... but torturing yourself for 40+ hours a week is not a great answer.

What do you call putting in hours on the forums to rival a full-time job? A massage?

[EllisDee37]

I like pasterqb's list, since it lists the time estimates. Didn't go back and check, but it would be a great format to give the audience a good estimate of each circuit's total quest time.I do too, quite a bit actually. For the runs I can actually do (I don't run EE) I'll likely do time trials to check and post the times.

For me this will come down to a puzzle to assemble, including teleport destinations and key to the city cooldown. One of my favorite things is assembling meta-game puzzles. If you squint it's sort of similar to making character builds.

[Deadlock]

6 hours a day, 7 days a week, repeating the same 4-5 quests over and over and over.

It's like you guys WANT to hate your life.

That suggestion would be neither fun or efficient. If you do the homework you can ETR every 4 days without spending TP.

I'm curious, though. Now we agree that isn't the way forward, what would your alternative suggestion be?

[hit_fido]

If you do the homework you can ETR every 4 days without spending TP.

I'm curious, though. Now we agree that isn't the way forward, what would your alternative suggestion be?

If you can ETR for free by putting in four hours a day over four days then it stands to reason you can do the same thing playing a more relaxed schedule of a couple hours a day over 8 days. But your data, if I'm not mistaken, boils down to 16 hours and no more than two runs per quest. Also unless I'm mistaken you concluded that you can earn the heart at the same time as you're leveling to 28.

So - level to 28 & pick up a free heart takes 16 hours of game time and no one need run the same quest more than twice. How much easier do you think it needs to be than what you're alleging is possible? At that point the heart isn't even adding any grind, since you're getting it on the way to 28 anyway.

[Teh_Troll]

Chai and The Troll allies? Great idea for a WWE heel tag-team.

"Ladies and gentlemen, in the center ring, it's Spammer and Yammer!"

We're looking for a towel-boy. Send your resume to teh_troll@hjealmeh.com

[NaturalHazard]

We're looking for a towel-boy. Send your resume to teh_troll@hjealmeh.com

Thrud can be your guys manager.

[EllisDee37]

In order to group my thoughts better, here's a list of what I see as potential candidate quests. Comms are listed as EH/EE:

12/25 Bargain of Blood (extremely fast, need to run through searing heights and teleport back to house d)
15/30 Fathom the Depths (very fast, only worth it if doing claw too)
15/30 Claw of Vulkoor (very fast, only worth it if doing fathom too)
15/30 Lords of Dust (very fast; trap stairs might be a pain)
15/30 Tharashk Arena (pretty slow even in full invisizerg mode)
15/30 An Offering of Blood (medium speed quest, ages to run out to)
18/35 Wizard King (requires 3 groups to split up to make it fast)
15/30 Impossible Demands (extremely fast if you know how, very fast if you don't)
15/30 Unquiet Graves (very fast, but wilderness run doubles the length)
18/35 Rusted Blades
18/35 Death Undone
18/35 Trial By Fury (pairs perfectly with deal and the demon)
18/35 Deal and the Demon
21/40 Outbreak
21/40 Overgrowth
21/40 Thorn and Paw
24/45 A Cry for Help
24/45 Foundation of Discord
24/45 Trial By Fire
24/45 Maze of Madness (very fast)
24/45 Feast or Famine
24/45 A Cabal for One
24/45 Detour
24/45 Rest Stop
24/45 Lost in the Swamp
24/45 A Stay at the Inn
24/45 The End of the Road
30/55 Thrill of the Hunt
30/55 Army of Shadow (Not sure if this can be quickly zerged; seems like it but I only ran it once.)
30/55 Through a Mirror Darkly

Anything fast that I missed? I've never run Stormhorn's. Anything I put on there that's slow?

Miscellaneous thoughts:

For number combinations, I think it makes sense to aim for 100 if doing EH, 200 if doing EE. For EE the following setups look pretty attractive:
55x3 + 35x1 = 200 in four EE quests
45x4 + 21x1 = 201 in four EE quests + 1 EH
55x2 + 30x3 = 200 in five EE quests
35x4 + 30x2 = 200 in six EE quests

For pure EH runs:
30x3 + 12x1 = 102 in four EH quests
24x3 + 15x2 = 103 in five EH quests
24x1 + 21x3 + 15x1 = 102 in five EH quests
18x4 + 15x2 = 102 in six EH quests

Druid's Deep is fast, decent comms, and is in Eveningstar proper for if you have to key to the city at any point, like to collect comms from the Underdark quests.

[EllisDee37]

Some possible EH runs:


From the ship go to Harbor, Eveningstar Cavern and do the two underdark and two demonweb quests. At end of deal and the demon, use key to the city to go to Eveningstar and collect all four end rewards, re-acquiring all four quests. Teleport to the crafting hall, run out to the fens for fathom and claw. Teleport back to ship.
18 Rusted Blades (level 9 fighter hire has ddoor)
18 Death Undone (level 24 rogue hire can unlock the door)
18 Trial By Fury
18 Deal and the Demon
15 Fathom the Depths (using the same level 9 fighter hire for ddoor)
15 Claw of Vulkoor
----
102


From the ship use the key to the city to get to Eveningstar. Run Impossible Demands, the first three Druid's Deep quests, then your choice of any one High Road quest. After collecting and re-acquiring all quests teleport back to ship. If this becomes a daily run, maybe cycle through the entire High Road chain over five days, hitting each of them once. (I think they're all reasonably short if you invisi-zerg them.)
18 Impossible Demands
21 Outbreak
21 Overgrowth
21 Thorn and Paw
24 (any one High Road quest)
----
102

[Scope333]

I think the real solution to the com problem is another sit-in at the Wayfinder Bridge. It worked so well last time.

[Gremmlynn]

I think the real solution to the com problem is another sit-in at the Wayfinder Bridge. It worked so well last time.Pick another server please. Most of us play their to avoid the crowds. Thank you.

[Demarill]

EH trackers trap invised and eh supply lines arent bad speed either an i believe 33 comms on EH each, combine those with an EE ID for 96 comms, throw in say an EH well every 4 days to have enough to round out towards a seed

[wolfspirit72]

What "ID" "UG" was. But I don't. Ill probably figure it out, but just WHY? The forums are a source of information for the confused. I love that you like to help people man. But abbreviations are way overused. What would have been great advice, instead caused more confusion. Just to figure out what MOTU was I had to log into game and go to Eveningstar in my logs and find what starts with M O T U. Was it easy? Yes. Was it necessary? :confused: If people would simply type out things so even vets don't have to translate the 1000s of little abbreviations people want to use, the forums would be a stronger source of information. j/s :-) Please kind sir, explain things with clarity?





Here's what I would do.

Get your ship buffs, key to estar, and reset all 3 MOTU quest chains and Overgrowth - say 5m
Run ID EE - 5m (including run to quest) = 30 comms
Run to UG - <3m
Run EH UG - <3m = 15 comms
Run EH Overgrowth - <3m = 21 comms

19m = 66 comms

Here's where it gets interesting. If you're a UMD capable, you can immediately scroll teleport to House P

Run EE Snitch - <10m = 25 comms

29m = 91 comms

30 minutes left, only 9 comms short, so do whatever you want. If you have a party, I'd say scroll to House K and do

Run EE Prisoner - <9m = 30 comms

Return to ship, logout (because Prisoner is conveniently near portal).

Whole circuit should net you more than 100 comms and you even have time to rebuff on the ship before logging out.

[karatemack]

What "ID" "UG" was. But I don't. Ill probably figure it out, but just WHY? The forums are a source of information for the confused. I love that you like to help people man. But abbreviations are way overused. What would have been great advice, instead caused more confusion. Just to figure out what MOTU was I had to log into game and go to Eveningstar in my logs and find what starts with M O T U. Was it easy? Yes. Was it necessary? :confused: If people would simply type out things so even vets don't have to translate the 1000s of little abbreviations people want to use, the forums would be a stronger source of information. j/s :-) Please kind sir, explain things with clarity?

I believe they were (10 years ago!) referring to Impossible Demands and Unquiet Graves. Both are fast quests in The King's Forest.

Also:

https://hypixel.net/attachments/1905505/

[Ereshkigal]

What "ID" "UG" was. But I don't. Ill probably figure it out, but just WHY? The forums are a source of information for the confused. I love that you like to help people man. But abbreviations are way overused. What would have been great advice, instead caused more confusion. Just to figure out what MOTU was I had to log into game and go to Eveningstar in my logs and find what starts with M O T U. Was it easy? Yes. Was it necessary? :confused: If people would simply type out things so even vets don't have to translate the 1000s of little abbreviations people want to use, the forums would be a stronger source of information. j/s :-) Please kind sir, explain things with clarity?


I believe they were (10 years ago!) referring to Impossible Demands and Unquiet Graves. Both are fast quests in The King's Forest.



Thanks for asking (& answering) this question. Saves me time trying to figure out what they were.

[slarden]

What "ID" "UG" was. But I don't. Ill probably figure it out, but just WHY? The forums are a source of information for the confused. I love that you like to help people man. But abbreviations are way overused. What would have been great advice, instead caused more confusion. Just to figure out what MOTU was I had to log into game and go to Eveningstar in my logs and find what starts with M O T U. Was it easy? Yes. Was it necessary? :confused: If people would simply type out things so even vets don't have to translate the 1000s of little abbreviations people want to use, the forums would be a stronger source of information. j/s :-) Please kind sir, explain things with clarity?

This is a really old thread before seeds were available. Now once you get to 30 run any quest you want and get the equivalent of 200 coms in the form of 2 seeds. Also with the level cap increase higher level quests give quite a few more comms + they changed the formula so comms are now boosted by xp boosts.

ID = impossible demands
UG = unquiet graves
Motu = Menace of the Underdark expansion pack

Yeah the acronyms can be confusing.

Seeds are also bta so you can pass them between characters. If you have any more concerns I suggest starting a new thread as this one is likely to be locked as it is considered a necro thread.

[Eantarus]

Why the massive necro?

[mbartol]

Why the massive necro?

It IS referencing Unquiet Graves.

[C-Dog]

Why the massive necro?
Read what the threadomancer posted. He was confused by what he found (presumably during a Search), so was asking for help (and expressing frustration at same).


Just to figure out what MOTU was I had to log into game and go to Eveningstar in my logs ...
No, you actually didn't.
o https://ddowiki.com/page/Glossary#M

It's all "in context" - and MotU is a fairly common abbreviation (even if ID and UG would not be without that context).

[wolfspirit72]

I believe they were (10 years ago!) referring to Impossible Demands and Unquiet Graves. Both are fast quests in The King's Forest.

Also:


Thank you!!!

[adamkatt]

Why the massive necro?

you can see that wolfspirit has all of 11 posts so maybe he just dosent understand things like dates..

We can still hope that myliftkk_v2 has been checking the forums for the last 10 years looking for a reply!