The Cleaving JuggerKnight (THF EK with Manyshot)

[chrono68]

Hey guys I am fairly new to DDO and really excited about the new EK enhancement tree. I level a f2p TWF centered kopesher, and after faily miserably in EE I TR'd him into a centered THF juggernaut. Nearing 28 I have been working on what I want to TR into and and Bladeforged EK just screams to become the next "juggernaught"; whether in spirit or literally. This is my attempt at making the Juggernaut only beefier in some respects.

PROS

-THF, ITHF, and GTHF + Cleaver + 4 cleave moves = significantly more melee dps (in theory of course!)
-Still maintains every feat needed for range and has room for IPS
-toggle tensers, displacement, and other buffs as spells rather than scrolls
-Insane self heals. A level 15 BF unbuffed can OVERHEAL 1.4k HP crits and sub 700s regulars.
-Parties will love your independence
-Plent of HP, especially if you take Toughness, ET

CONS

-Probably less consistent than the 16/2/2 build
-no trapmaking <- Can be a very big loss
-it's a tight fit getting all of the feats in. Not really room for a centered version unless you're willing to +6 wood
-Thanks to no weapon focus, you don't get very much from the kensai tree.
-Saves. Their much lower. The IPS variant can pick up epic reflex which helps a little.

Now thanks to the Character Builder not allowing Iconics from using 36 point builds or LRing their starter class, I had to use Warforged instead.
The stats for a 36 pt. Bladeforged will be the same except for 8 CHR instead of 6 (woohoo!). Also, instead of Warforged Tactics and Warforged Resolve, replace them with SLA-Reconstruct and Communion of Handling (respectively).

But wait! There's more proxy! Instead of 40 points in Archmage you can probably guess where those go. ;]

So here it is. Now I am VERY new to theorycrafting and I more than welcome criticism on the build; as I am sure without some player assistance this will struggle in solo EE. My goal in this is to get us closer to that melee spellsword we have all be wanting since they released EK. :]


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(6 Fighter \ 2 Ranger \ 12 Wizard \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 492
Spell Points: 1448
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 13
Will: 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 26
Dexterity 15 19
Constitution 18 22
Intelligence 13 17
Wisdom 8 12
Charisma 6 10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 2 12
Bluff -2 8
Concentration 4 14
Diplomacy -2 8
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -2 8
Heal -1 9
Hide 2 12
Intimidate -2 8
Jump 3 16
Listen -1 9
Move Silently 2 12
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 15
Search 1 12
Spellcraft 1 11
Spot -1 9
Swim 3 16
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Wizard)


Level 8 (Wizard)


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 14 (Wizard)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Wizard)


Level 17 (Wizard)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 19 (Wizard)


Level 20 (Wizard)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot
Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Mechanist (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Mechanist (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warforged - Mechanist (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warforged - Inscribed Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Power Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Power Attack (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Power Attack (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warforged - Weapon Attachment (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Resolve (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Arcane Archer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Conjure Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Axes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strike With No Thought (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Axes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Abjuration I: Shield (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Abjuration II: Resist Energy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Abjuration III: Protection from Energy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Subtle Spellcasting (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Subtle Spellcasting (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Subtle Spellcasting (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Energy of the Scholar (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Energy of the Scholar (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Energy of the Scholar (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Elemental and Force I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Wand Heightening (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Wand Heightening (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Wand Heightening (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Improved Quickening (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Improved Quickening (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Improved Quickening (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Elemental and Force II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Wand and Scroll Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Arcane Bolt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Arcane Bolt (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Arcane Bolt (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Spell Penetration (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Spell Penetration (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Archmage (Wiz) - Spell Penetration (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)





There is also a Improved Precise Shot version as well. You can replace the Toughness at level 24 and take Epic Reflex at 27.
REMINDER: This build requires a +4 tome in Dex, Str, Con, And Int. to take the feats at their respective levels.
If you only have access to a +3 Dex tome, you can take PS at 9 and Manyshot at 12. Of course this also means you will fall short of IPS unless you spend an ability point on Dex somewhere.


Thoughts? To me, the biggest problem I see is the lower than preferred reflex saves and the awkward fitting of the remaining enhancements.

*Removed a Pro.

[korsat]

CONS: no evasion on 12w/6f/2r

that is a big loss, maybe you can do 12w/6r/2m instead without loosing feats and you will gain rams might. with 6r maybe twf with 100%offhand is better than thf line (still not needed the line thou). and opens the possibility for an unarmed stunner too (will have to fix stats for a more wis based in the case).

The only thing you loose is the +3 action boosts from fighter since kensei already gives you haste boost.

what do u think?

[chrono68]

CONS: no evasion on 12w/6f/2r

that is a big loss, maybe you can do 12w/6r/2m instead without loosing feats and you will gain rams might. with 6r maybe twf with 100%offhand is better than thf line (still not needed the line thou). and opens the possibility for an unarmed stunner too (will have to fix stats for a more wis based in the case).

The only thing you loose is the +3 action boosts from fighter since kensei already gives you haste boost.

what do u think?

Well 6% dodge is huge, especially when all of the bonuses start to stack up, but, the true miss chance with 50% displacement and 6% dodge is only like 53% miss chance thanks to how the system works (http://ddowiki.com/page/Miss_chance). I feel with taking 6 ranger, with all of those bonus feats to TWF you pretty much have to go dual wielding-- you'd be silly not to!
Trust me, missing out on monk splash pained me but in order to fit the build as a juggernaught with GTHF you need the fighter.

Let me back that last statement up. Juggernaught is powerful. It really is. You can solo EEs using a character that doesn't have hardly any offensively supported enhancements. Even in melee the build uses a very limited amount of feats to boost it's melee output. So in order to beat the juggernaught in terms of pure melee dps (or at least tie with it), the feats in the THF tree are needed, as the build relies on using 4 cleaves that all proc glancing blows to amp up it's damage past a regular juggernaught that fights using two cleaves and no glancing.

It's funny you posted a wiz/rng/mnk build as I was going to also post a TWF as well as a centered version as well! the TWF build would be very powerful using Nightmares as lifesteal they have is not reduced on BF and WF. Going TWF also frees up those pesky THF feats, letting you get ET, Bastard Sword prof, and IPS. The only drawback to the TWF build is bastard swords unfortunately do not get their glancing blow when dual wielded and with EK giving you 4 cleaves, you're really missing out on a lot of damage output- and when you're doing a bonus 50% damage 3 out of 4 attacks that adds up really fast! The TWF is definitely a force to be reckoned with and I would say that they would sit synonymous with each other.

As for a unarmed version, I think someone else made a palemaster version right here.https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/425065-Yet-another-unarmed-palemaster I didn't take Stunning Blow (although I could have) because I have seen a lot of people die at pivotal moments in EE because they relied on that 60+ DC holding up and fail. The cool thing about that T5 EK cleave is that it does an AOE prone for 1 second which isn't as good as a full stun but it requires NO DC CHECK!!

I have also built a wiz/mnk/rng version for the players who want to use Sireth as well (Who doesn't, amirite?). 32% doublestrike before items?? YES PLEASE!


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(6 Monk \ 2 Ranger \ 12 Wizard \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 510
Spell Points: 1459
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 16
Will: 15

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 26
Dexterity 15 19
Constitution 17 24
Intelligence 12 16
Wisdom 11 15
Charisma 6 10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 2 12
Bluff -2 8
Concentration 3 15
Diplomacy -2 8
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -2 10
Heal 0 10
Hide 2 12
Intimidate -2 8
Jump 3 16
Listen 0 10
Move Silently 2 12
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 14
Search 1 12
Spellcraft 1 11
Spot 0 10
Swim 3 16
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 4 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Wizard)


Level 8 (Wizard)


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 10 (Monk)


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 13 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell


Level 14 (Wizard)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 16 (Wizard)


Level 17 (Wizard)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 19 (Wizard)


Level 20 (Wizard)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Reflexes


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot
Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Mechanist (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Mechanist (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Power Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Power Attack (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Power Attack (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warforged - Weapon Attachment (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Resolve (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Dark Reaping (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Zombie (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Vampire (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Necrotic Touch (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Necrotic Touch (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Necrotic Touch (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Skeletal Knight (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Skeletal Knight (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Skeletal Knight (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Corpsecrafter (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Corpsecrafter (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Corpsecrafter (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Necrotic Bolt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Necrotic Bolt (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Cloak of Night (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Cloak of Night (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Cloak of Night (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy III (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Eternal Servitude (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Eternal Servitude (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Eternal Servitude (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Dark Furor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Riddle of Fire (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Ki Bolt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Way of the Clever Monkey (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Quick Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Quick Strike (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Quick Strike (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Arcane Archer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Conjure Arrows (Rank 1)




And if you really sacrifice, you could fit in Shadow Veil. I would imagine the term bulletproof would be correct to describe that.


Oh and thank you for the insight and think tanking! I really think this build's genre (TWF, THF, Centered) will really be powerful.