Anyone else feels betrayed for having bought Epic xp Tomes? [Archive]

RedOrm

11-13-2013, 06:42 AM

Considering that i will have to run almost 200 epic quests to get a single epic tr heart and i will have capped out on xp after at most 120. It leaves me with running 80 quests at cap just to be able to etr?
Suddenly my Epic Tomes feel like a big waste of money.

Yea. I get lesser tomes with each toon due to the expansions, but upgraded them all to greater tomes when they were on sale recently. Now I wish I hadn't...

Greetz,
Red Orm

jb111

11-13-2013, 08:51 AM

Hendrik

11-13-2013, 09:20 AM

Considering that i will have to run almost 200 epic quests to get a single epic tr heart and i will have capped out on xp after at most 120. It leaves me with running 80 quests at cap just to be able to etr?
Suddenly my Epic Tomes feel like a big waste of money.

Will that Epic Tome work after you ETR granting bonus XP while on your journey to 28?

Don't you think it is better to have it now and not need it then need it and not have it later?

Teh_Troll

11-13-2013, 09:21 AM

epic destinies farm.

People haven't gotten that done in 2012?

Panzermeyer

11-13-2013, 09:22 AM

Does anyone have 5 mins to explain this to me? I am back from a long break and on my first Monk life at level 24. I selected GMOF destiny, 2,500,000XP and have 24 points used with 1 point available for a twist of fate. Would an Epic Tome do anything for me? From what I am reading it seems the grind is the only way to do an Epic TR and the OP's complaint is having to run extra quests after hitting level 28. Does one need to max all epic destinys? Sorry if this is a newbie question - just trying to get things straight before considering a purchase. Thanks

They are not refering to experience. They are refering to the quantity of Commidations of Valor required to do an Epic Reincarnation.

What the OP is saying is that he will be capped in experience by doing about 120 quests, while it will require him to do about 200 quests to get enough Commendations of Valor to do the Epic Reincarnation. So there are 80 quests that the xp is not as worth it.

Thus so what is the point for a Tome of Epic XP.

Does that explain it?

Atremus

11-13-2013, 09:25 AM

People haven't gotten that done in 2012?

I fall into this category and try not to complain about more XP...

MartinusWyllt

11-13-2013, 09:37 AM

People haven't gotten that done in 2012?

I couldn't shear myself away from heroic TRs to do that then.

jb111

11-13-2013, 09:38 AM

They are not refering to experience. They are refering to the quantity of Commidations of Valor required to do an Epic Reincarnation.

What the OP is saying is that he will be capped in experience by doing about 120 quests, while it will require him to do about 200 quests to get enough Commendations of Valor to do the Epic Reincarnation. So there are 80 quests that the xp is not as worth it.

Thus so what is the point for a Tome of Epic XP.

Does that explain it?

Hi. That does explain it. Thank you. After a quick google search I am now seeing 4200 Commedations of Valor are required for Epic Reincarnation. Wow! I am hoping I get the Comms every time I run an epic quest and not just one time.

RedOrm

11-13-2013, 09:43 AM

Hi. That does explain it. Thank you. After a quick google search I am now seeing 4200 Commedations of Valor are required for Epic Reincarnation. Wow! I am hoping I get the Comms every time I run an epic quest and not just one time.

One time each day. I'm still not entirely sure you get comms once per difficulty level (other than casual which is explicitly excluded), but either way next day you can repeat and get a new set of comms.

Greetz,
Red Orm

Panzermeyer

11-13-2013, 10:00 AM

Hi. That does explain it. Thank you. After a quick google search I am now seeing 4200 Commedations of Valor are required for Epic Reincarnation. Wow! I am hoping I get the Comms every time I run an epic quest and not just one time.

As a benchmark.

Yes 4200 comms of valor to Epic TR.

Last nite we finished the new quest A Study in Sable on Epic Elite. Lvl 28 quest. Comms of Valor did nto drop in the quest, but could select them as an end reward.

Only 55 of them.

So that would mean to get 4200 I would have to run over 200 quests not ever choosing any other end reqard but Comms of Valor.

That seems unbalanced to me. I am not going to bother doing the grind personally.

Gremmlynn

11-13-2013, 10:09 AM

They are not refering to experience. They are refering to the quantity of Commidations of Valor required to do an Epic Reincarnation.To do a free epic TR. No comms are required to do an epic TR, they are just an option for getting the eTR heart. Even then it is just one of two methods of getting an epic heart, the other being simply grind TP's through favor to get it from the store.

IronClan

11-13-2013, 10:11 AM

Considering that i will have to run almost 200 epic quests to get a single epic tr heart and i will have capped out on xp after at most 120. It leaves me with running 80 quests at cap just to be able to etr?
Suddenly my Epic Tomes feel like a big waste of money.

Not me, but first off all: anyone spending on the greater tome is probably okay with buying a heart or two.

I have no real interest in ER because the rewards are marginal to trifling, I do have a PAINFUL 3/3/1 twist setup to achieve on a toon that will need to do ALL it's ED progression "post sitting on a bell/bugging a drow priestess 500 times a night" and I need to work my way over and max Shiradi from Fatesinger and then over the other way for a twist, all the way to Angel ED for 10% SP twist...

**** glad I bought both the heroic and epic XP tomes, 1 wiz and 3 Sorc lives, eventually completionist for the +2 to stats and skills... Epic TR? what ever for? 9 PRR? pfffffft... what's that 0.8% damage mitigation? 9% crits is the most temping thing offered but when I have 48% crit chance already I'm just not going to do back flips about making it 57% MAYBE I'll go for the crits if I get bored of alts, but you know what? I will probably have 3 epic hearts already by the time that happens.

Now all of that said; I think they are making a large error in judgment making the hearts so much work to obtain... I think they've forgotten that they have a crippled product that has no goals or end game or destinations to play our "finished" or "mostly finished" characters in, and the TR system is the only thing holding anyone to this game right now, and screwing that equation up is a BIG TIME error that will bleed a fair number of players out of the game. Fortunately levels 25 to 28 are so utterly uncompelling to be in that I envision many players will probably just ignore the new epic TR and keep their toons in heroic content TR'ing with tokens.

Rendron

11-13-2013, 10:15 AM

Dont talk about maxing ED's. If you like to ETR now you will max out your ED Spere by lvl up to 28 and get ready to ETR. The big problem will be getting the dam coms for the heart. 30 coms for von3 by a XP for around 130k-145k for the first run. i will be maxed out in the ed's long befor the coms are in my bag..... how long do we need to farm quests for a heart. some weeks-months?

cheers

MadGardener

11-13-2013, 10:28 AM

yikes that is a lot of runs especially on capped toons that were waiting to tr. What's the odds that the raid box would have a epic tr stone in it :D
Guess that will be a lot of money for epic hearts, wish they would put that cash back in the game but it is unlikely. would love to see them hire and retain programmers to update and fix all the annoyance that have been around for ever. From the sounds of it they have lots of things on there to do list and wants list they lack resources to do. If they were given proper resources would the OP have happened?
Best off luck, as for me my account have been made premium (I am VIP)...off to the account help line for me.

are they planning Hugh points, or full epic hearts on 20 raid completions or sages completions?

Lonnbeimnech

11-13-2013, 10:54 AM

òn the bright side, it means you can cap your karma more quickly, and then switch back to your main destiny to farm out CoV. So while you are trashing EEs in masters blitz, the next guy is still in sentinel doing 12 damage a swing

Seikojin

11-13-2013, 11:11 AM

Just farm your Comms once. Then you can race cap the remaining lives you want to go through. Isn't that what everyone does anyways?

Catteras

11-13-2013, 11:29 AM

To do a free epic TR. No comms are required to do an epic TR, they are just an option for getting the eTR heart. Even then it is just one of two methods of getting an epic heart, the other being simply grind TP's through favor to get it from the store.

now this is interesting. I wonder what is faster...
Rolling an iconic and favor grinding for tp and then buying heart or
Running 200 epic elite quests to get comms to buy heart

Do i see a new wave of favor farmers?

Assuming average 9 favor per quest, farming 1300 tp would take completing 570 or so quests (unless i screwed my math up). A lot...

I dont know, i think ill just ignore the epic reincarnation stuff until turbine comes to their senses.

Catteras

11-13-2013, 11:32 AM

Now all of that said; I think they are making a large error in judgment making the hearts so much work to obtain... I think they've forgotten that they have a crippled product that has no goals or end game or destinations to play our "finished" or "mostly finished" characters in, and the TR system is the only thing holding anyone to this game right now, and screwing that equation up is a BIG TIME error that will bleed a fair number of players out of the game. Fortunately levels 25 to 28 are so utterly uncompelling to be in that I envision many players will probably just ignore the new epic TR and keep their toons in heroic content TR'ing with tokens.

This. Reincarnating is the only thing for many to do right now. Reincarnating should be easier before its harder. Otherwise players will just find some other game to play probably.

Correlan

11-13-2013, 11:41 AM

Considering that i will have to run almost 200 epic quests to get a single epic tr heart and i will have capped out on xp after at most 120. It leaves me with running 80 quests at cap just to be able to etr?
Suddenly my Epic Tomes feel like a big waste of money.

Ah, if I read this right, you wanted fast xp, but now they have added a new mechanic for aquiring something that wasn't in game previously, your previous purchase which made you happy, has now turned to ash in your mouth? Unfortuantely, there's no refunds. You aren't the only one that has felt the sting of a 'Great' purchase suddenly gone sour. At least if/when you get on the iconic/epic reincarnation bandwagon, you'll be capped and having a much easier time elite streaking your way to another ETR sooner than most.

RobbinB

11-13-2013, 11:57 AM

People haven't gotten that done in 2012?

Yeah, I don't have a single character with all destinies maxed out, and I play a little every night.

(You can omit your usual "you're not doing it right"...I already know)

IronClan

11-13-2013, 12:21 PM

People haven't gotten that done in 2012?

Lots of alts, lots of players without capped ED's, lots of new characters rolled up. The forum needs to remember that not everyone (or even very many) who play DDO are "race to the finish line and cap everything as fast as possible "achievers".

For example the mildly amusing comment heard around here often:

"Dude! everyone already got their CitW weapons mang!" que massive giddy joyful nerdgasm a few months later when the raiders box hits.

Yeah the games not static.

Qhualor

11-13-2013, 12:34 PM

I didn't buy one because I never needed one. With all of the bonus I get and also without xp pots, I one and done most epics to level 25 on a hard BB when cap was level 25. The xp was already easily there before and is still there leveling to 28. I would say anyone who bought one before was wasting their money even before U20.

Clatterfist

11-13-2013, 12:56 PM

You earn more commendations from playing higher level quests, and you complete quests faster and more easily when your character is more powerful, so levelling up more quickly is still definitely in your best interests, even if you don't plan on buying hearts from the store.

Memnir

11-13-2013, 12:58 PM

I can't say I feel betrayed because I never bought any.

I will say I don't feel upset for having not buying any, more now then ever.

alancarp

11-13-2013, 01:17 PM

now this is interesting. I wonder what is faster...
Rolling an iconic and favor grinding for tp and then buying heart or
Running 200 epic elite quests to get comms to buy heart
Do i see a new wave of favor farmers?
Assuming average 9 favor per quest, farming 1300 tp would take completing 570 or so quests (unless i screwed my math up). A lot...
I dont know, i think ill just ignore the epic reincarnation stuff until turbine comes to their senses.

You're thinking along the same lines I am - now add this option: Heroic TR your Level 28 all the way back to Level 1 and level it back to 20... that is surely faster than grinding 4,200 comms.
I was shocked to see that 4,200 number: I could see 1500-2000, perhaps, but that's way high.

Wondering about the possibility of "Double Valor" bonus weekends.

Systern

11-13-2013, 01:26 PM

Not me, but first off all: anyone spending on the greater tome is probably okay with buying a heart or two.

I bought tome upgrades.
I buy supreme tomes.
I buy classes.
I buy packs.
I buy races.
I buy bags.

I do not buy consumables.
I do not buy overpriced consumables.
I do not buy overpriced consumables that you could get in game if you jump through more hoops than the dolphins at Sea World.

No, I'm not okay with this.

Gremmlynn

11-13-2013, 01:34 PM

now this is interesting. I wonder what is faster...
Rolling an iconic and favor grinding for tp and then buying heart or
Running 200 epic elite quests to get comms to buy heart

Do i see a new wave of favor farmers?

Assuming average 9 favor per quest, farming 1300 tp would take completing 570 or so quests (unless i screwed my math up). A lot...

I dont know, i think ill just ignore the epic reincarnation stuff until turbine comes to their senses.Aside from first time server bonuses, there is currently 1,250 TP's worth of favor in the game. So everything on elite/6 star would almost be enough to get 1300 TP's. Better to do that over 2 heroic lives at ~3k favor/life I think or just pony up the ~$13 and save yourself the grief.

As far as Turbine coming to their senses, if you aren't buying your heart, do you really think they care whether you eTR?

dunklezhan

11-13-2013, 01:35 PM

People haven't gotten that done in 2012?

Nope. I have far too many characters to care about farming ANYthing. If opportunity arises to play one of my 3 epic characters and get some XP for a non-maxed ED (which would be all my EDs for all three characters, bar one ED on the monk), then that's happy bonus funtime day. The rest of the time, I like to keep characters spread across the levels if I can so I can play with whoever might be logged into guild.

So now I'm actively considering TRing two of my 3 epic characters purely because I currently don't have anyone sub L10, and I'll keep the monk at L20 to 'farm' EDs. He can be my ED completionist. Note that I currently have 1 TR'd character already, on life three, where he's been L16 (recently 17) since August 2002. And he's only that far ahead because I had to rush him through life 2 and early life 3 so as to take advantage of the stone of experience before it evaporated. I haven't really played him since because the 'boredom' deficit from all that repetition (yes, I just called one run through a second life and eight levels of a third over the course of 2 months 'repetition') still hasn't worn off. I'm just now thinking about playing him some more. He was going to be my actual completionist, but that's a fantasy no human could live long enough to realise at the rate I advance through the game.

So no. I absolutely haven't finished this in 2012, and neither have too many people I know in game either, to say nothing of new players etc.

And for people like me - I have no idea how common I am in game, I know I'm not common on these forums - those XP tomes are still wonderful, wondrous things.

So leave 'em alone :)

Daemoneyes

11-14-2013, 06:42 PM

Aside from first time server bonuses, there is currently 1,250 TP's worth of favor in the game. So everything on elite/6 star would almost be enough to get 1300 TP's. Better to do that over 2 heroic lives at ~3k favor/life I think or just pony up the ~$13 and save yourself the grief.

As far as Turbine coming to their senses, if you aren't buying your heart, do you really think they care whether you eTR?
I have 2 chars that need to go through a heroic tr, so thats at least enough TP for a heart.
But still that 4500 valor is obscene.

Well they should care because i am one of the few who still groups up for quests, which is (aside from the money grab) the main reason why mmo go freemium.

Daemoneyes

11-14-2013, 06:53 PM

Ah, if I read this right, you wanted fast xp, but now they have added a new mechanic for aquiring something that wasn't in game previously, your previous purchase which made you happy, has now turned to ash in your mouth? Unfortuantely, there's no refunds. You aren't the only one that has felt the sting of a 'Great' purchase suddenly gone sour. At least if/when you get on the iconic/epic reincarnation bandwagon, you'll be capped and having a much easier time elite streaking your way to another ETR sooner than most.

Well i bought them to cut down the grind a bit and now i either have to spend amounts of money i do not want to spend or grind, in both cases the tomes saved me nothing.
(i never spend more on a freemium game than i would if it was p2p, which means ~13euro per month max)
So yes i taste that ash :(

Daemoneyes

11-14-2013, 07:02 PM

Not me, but first off all: anyone spending on the greater tome is probably okay with buying a heart or two.

I have no real interest in ER because the rewards are marginal to trifling, I do have a PAINFUL 3/3/1 twist setup to achieve on a toon that will need to do ALL it's ED progression "post sitting on a bell/bugging a drow priestess 500 times a night" and I need to work my way over and max Shiradi from Fatesinger and then over the other way for a twist, all the way to Angel ED for 10% SP twist...

**** glad I bought both the heroic and epic XP tomes, 1 wiz and 3 Sorc lives, eventually completionist for the +2 to stats and skills... Epic TR? what ever for? 9 PRR? pfffffft... what's that 0.8% damage mitigation? 9% crits is the most temping thing offered but when I have 48% crit chance already I'm just not going to do back flips about making it 57% MAYBE I'll go for the crits if I get bored of alts, but you know what? I will probably have 3 epic hearts already by the time that happens.

Now all of that said; I think they are making a large error in judgment making the hearts so much work to obtain... I think they've forgotten that they have a crippled product that has no goals or end game or destinations to play our "finished" or "mostly finished" characters in, and the TR system is the only thing holding anyone to this game right now, and screwing that equation up is a BIG TIME error that will bleed a fair number of players out of the game. Fortunately levels 25 to 28 are so utterly uncompelling to be in that I envision many players will probably just ignore the new epic TR and keep their toons in heroic content TR'ing with tokens.

I spent money on 4 greater xp tomes for my chars and i do not want to spend money on hearts because i think they should be free for premiums and buyable with ingame currency because TR is a main part of DDO.
So yes i am okay with a bit of grind to get them but 4500 valor is a slap into the face with a steel glove and 1300TP for a heart is a ridicules price for a item that should be a convenience item.

Ah well my ranting wont change anything here, so all of you have a nice evening.
Ill go and check out some new mmo, life is feudal and glorius victa (or however it is spelled^) look nice :)

Tilomere

11-15-2013, 02:08 AM

As a benchmark.

Yes 4200 comms of valor to Epic TR.

Last nite we finished the new quest A Study in Sable on Epic Elite. Lvl 28 quest. Comms of Valor did nto drop in the quest, but could select them as an end reward.

Only 55 of them.

So that would mean to get 4200 I would have to run over 200 quests not ever choosing any other end reqard but Comms of Valor.

That seems unbalanced to me. I am not going to bother doing the grind personally.

Just me, or does 4200 /55 = 76 quests, not including saga bonuses, so maybe as few at 50-60 quests, or less than it takes to cap xp to actually ETR. What am I missing?

EllisDee37

11-15-2013, 03:51 AM

Just me, or does 4200 /55 = 76 quests, not including saga bonuses, so maybe as few at 50-60 quests, or less than it takes to cap xp to actually ETR. What am I missing?Sagas don't offer valor, and the number of 55-valor quests is very small. You can only get valor from any given quest once a day, so if you only do 55-valor quests you're looking at several weeks to get a heart.

Tilomere

11-15-2013, 04:15 AM

Sagas don't offer valor, and the number of 55-valor quests is very small. You can only get valor from any given quest once a day, so if you only do 55-valor quests you're looking at several weeks to get a heart.

At 40k xp a quest, you are looking at running 150 quests to cap. So I still don't see the problem if most quests give half of that 55. It still seems like you will cap xp and get your heart about the same time, or even get your heart first, which makes the tome of xp worthwhile.

Forzah

11-15-2013, 06:01 AM

ufo2013

11-15-2013, 06:14 AM

At 40k xp a quest, you are looking at running 150 quests to cap. So I still don't see the problem if most quests give half of that 55. It still seems like you will cap xp and get your heart about the same time, or even get your heart first, which makes the tome of xp worthwhile.

If you buy xp tome, you want to level up faster and sooner(TM). You will want to run the good xp/min quests many times a day.

Comms only drop in the reward list and only if you run the quest without xp ransack, which generally means once a day (if you run the quest multiple times to -80% ransack, it means getting comms from that quest only once every 2 or 3 days). If you red box a quest a particular day forgetting to pick up quest from NPC first, you don't get comms for that quest that day. So, no, unless you play the game the way the devs want you to (ie do not repeat, no window farming, buy expansions and run all quests), no way you will get 4200 comms by the time you cap.

So, sure, if you buy xp tome to level up faster and don't intend to also buy your hearts, then yes, buying xp tome is a waste. Because xp/min is no longer the bottleneck for epic reincarnation. With the way comms are awarded, it makes sense to buy epic xp tomes only if you also intend to buy the hearts.

Forzah

11-15-2013, 06:23 AM

So, no, unless you play the game the way the devs want you to (ie do not repeat, no window farming, buy expansions and run all quests), no way you will get 4200 comms by the time you cap.

Why is this worse than before? A new optimal way of playing which includes playing a large variety of quests seems much better to me. At least better than always repeating the same small set of quests. This new incentive structure is a lot better than what we used to have, since as a zerger you can enjoy more variety.

ufo2013

11-15-2013, 07:33 AM

Why is this worse than before? A new optimal way of playing which includes playing a large variety of quests seems much better to me. At least better than always repeating the same small set of quests. This new incentive structure is a lot better than what we used to have, since as a zerger you can enjoy more variety.

Why do you ask why is this worse than before when this topic is asking whether it makes sense to buy the epic xp tome? Speeding up the xp is now pointless if you don't intend to buy the heart when you are now limited not by xp but by comms. You don't need to buy an epic xp tome to enjoy your "new optimal way of playing" since xp is no longer the incentive, as you say, "this new incentive" is now comms.

Gremmlynn

11-15-2013, 10:29 AM

I have 2 chars that need to go through a heroic tr, so thats at least enough TP for a heart.
But still that 4500 valor is obscene.

Well they should care because i am one of the few who still groups up for quests, which is (aside from the money grab) the main reason why mmo go freemium.Um, that so called "money grab" is, not only the main, but the only reason the game was developed at all. Everything else the game does, it does to support making money. Devs don't get together and make games to be heroes in the eyes of the gamer community by making the best game possible. They are hired by for profit companies to make games that are as successful as possible at separating the gamer community with their money.

To do so in this case they want to develop a system that players want to participate in at a cost they are willing to pay in order to keep participating in it, but no less. If that means providing a ridiculously grindy way of doing it for free that is also a reasonable way to sometimes do it for free to make players feel good about staying on the hamster wheel, so be it.

Right now, what they might want to try is a way to prime the pump. Maybe a limited time coupon code for 500TP's off an epic of iconic heart, 1/account or character. To get players on the wheel and used to going to the store for, at least some of, their TR Hearts.

Gremmlynn

11-15-2013, 10:46 AM

Why do you ask why is this worse than before when this topic is asking whether it makes sense to buy the epic xp tome? Speeding up the xp is now pointless if you don't intend to buy the heart when you are now limited not by xp but by comms. You don't need to buy an epic xp tome to enjoy your "new optimal way of playing" since xp is no longer the incentive, as you say, "this new incentive" is now comms.The question I have is, why would someone who is so interested to level faster that they spend money on a tome, balk at also spending money on a heart if they don't have the comms at that time?

That would seem to be the target audience the devs were looking at when they developed the system, those who are more interested in making progress than playing through the game. To me this whole thread is just a complaint about the cost of convenience and time savings. Or an interesting study in how players see various mechanics that do that.

Cantor

11-15-2013, 11:02 AM

Just me, or does 4200 /55 = 76 quests, not including saga bonuses, so maybe as few at 50-60 quests, or less than it takes to cap xp to actually ETR. What am I missing?

55 is a very unrealistic number, unless you are sitting at cap and only run EE. The cov reward is based on quest level and difficulty, more likely average 20-28 is 20 for most people, and 35-40 for EE runs.

Daemoneyes

11-15-2013, 12:46 PM

The question I have is, why would someone who is so interested to level faster that they spend money on a tome, balk at also spending money on a heart if they don't have the comms at that time?

That would seem to be the target audience the devs were looking at when they developed the system, those who are more interested in making progress than playing through the game. To me this whole thread is just a complaint about the cost of convenience and time savings. Or an interesting study in how players see various mechanics that do that.

Because the tomes felt like a reasonable expense to cut down the insane ED grind.
I still hate it that you have to run in ED which are no use to your char, just to unlock points.

Also i budget the games i play, roughly 13€ per month is ok for me to pay for a game.
But when i pay, i also want to get something for that money that is or at least feels fun and not to pay for a basic game mechanic.
Buying hearts feels like having to pay for each attack animation.. which is probably the next big thing turbine will introduce..

Daemoneyes

11-15-2013, 12:49 PM

ufo2013

11-15-2013, 06:15 PM

The question I have is, why would someone who is so interested to level faster that they spend money on a tome, balk at also spending money on a heart if they don't have the comms at that time?

That would seem to be the target audience the devs were looking at when they developed the system, those who are more interested in making progress than playing through the game. To me this whole thread is just a complaint about the cost of convenience and time savings. Or an interesting study in how players see various mechanics that do that.

There you go! You are already agreeing with the gist of this thread!

People buy xp tomes to reduce the xp grind, then they introduce another grind, the comms grind, which completely invalidates the xp grind, haha!

This topic is not discussing about whether comms drop rate is low, or heart price is high, it is about whether or not buying an epic xp tome makes any sense any more. Answer? No.

PermaBanned

11-15-2013, 07:34 PM

Considering that i will have to run almost 200 epic quests to get a single epic tr heart and i will have capped out on xp after at most 120. It leaves me with running 80 quests at cap just to be able to etr?
Suddenly my Epic Tomes feel like a big waste of money.

Umm... You do realize the entire purpose of the Learning Tomes (besides profit$) is to expidite reaching the point where you no longer need XP, right?
•Have all Heroic TRing done? - Check
•Have all Destinies full? - Check
•Have all ETRs done? - Check (will happen eventually)
•At level cap? - Check

It all happens sooner with Learning Tomes, seems to me you got what you paid for...

erethizon

11-15-2013, 10:28 PM

I have a heroic greater tome and absolutely love the thing (it helps out quite a bit each and every life). I never bought an epic tome because there was previously no reason to play epics (I was just going to TR again and I couldn't use any of the epic gear during the heroic levels). I had always planned to buy an epic tome whenever they made epic levels worth playing (which meant some sort of reason to play epic levels before TRing). Little did I realize that at the same time they finally added a reason to play epic levels they also made the amount of experience I get for each epic quest totally unimportant. Now I have no reason to want an epic experience tome because it doesn't do anything useful. Who would have ever thought that we wouldn't care how much experience we were getting in quests when running with uncapped characters?

goodspeed

11-15-2013, 10:54 PM

Of course I don't feel betrayed; not in the very slightest.

Gremmlynn

11-15-2013, 11:38 PM

There you go! You are already agreeing with the gist of this thread!

People buy xp tomes to reduce the xp grind, then they introduce another grind, the comms grind, which completely invalidates the xp grind, haha!

This topic is not discussing about whether comms drop rate is low, or heart price is high, it is about whether or not buying an epic xp tome makes any sense any more. Answer? No.But the comms grind is optional as nobody ever needs to grind any in order to epic TR. If paying to reduce grind is something one feels is worthwhile, then paying to eliminate a grind completely, should be even better for them. 4200 comms aren't required to eTR, just to eTR for free.

So the tome is just as worthwhile as ever for anyone willing to buy a heart as soon as the reach level 28/6 million karma if they haven't enough cooms, so it speeds up the process as much as it ever has.