DEVs: Please update Dragontouched and its chain.

[Phaeton_Seraph]

I know it seems like constant complaining, but this really is constructive criticism.

The Dragontouched armours are a real grind, made worse by the fact that people rarely run the chain any more because the quests can be a little annoying (too many puzzles, maybe? or painful end fights?).

But people might still face the grind if the Dragontouched armours were still relevant. This is level 16 armour we're supposed to grind for, even though the quest is more for level 18-19.

Really, it was probably great twink gear for a TR at one time. However, now, it's not really any better than random gen ML:16 stuff; not enough. And it can't compete with the ML:14 Dragonscale armours from Tor.


You need to tweak the numbers a little, throw in an augment slot or two, and spice up the Runes... in addition to adjusting the quest XP and the end fights with the Ellies and the Drider.

When anyone asks for help with this chain, the common response is "ugh." Please change that.

[Livmo]

I know it seems like constant complaining, but this really is constructive criticism.

The Dragontouched armours are a real grind, made worse by the fact that people rarely run the chain any more because the quests can be a little annoying (too many puzzles, maybe? or painful end fights?).

But people might still face the grind if the Dragontouched armours were still relevant. This is level 16 armour we're supposed to grind for, even though the quest is more for level 18-19.

Really, it was probably great twink gear for a TR at one time. However, now, it's not really any better than random gen ML:16 stuff; not enough. And it can't compete with the ML:14 Dragonscale armours from Tor.


You need to tweak the numbers a little, throw in an augment slot or two, and spice up the Runes... in addition to adjusting the quest XP and the end fights with the Ellies and the Drider.

When anyone asks for help with this chain, the common response is "ugh." Please change that.

So true!

I ran some of the quests the other day. I did get 43 Draconc Rune Stones, 6 Kyper Dragonshard Esscensrs, etc. The next day I was excited to Wiki and see what I could make. There is nothing for me to make even if I had all the materials in all 3 catogories that struck my fancy. Even my Newbness has seen lots of better armors. Seems like allot of effort for meh.

I do like the quests. It's a shame that it appears to be a solo exp.

[justfortheforums]

The Dragontouched armours are a real grind, made worse by the fact that people rarely run the chain any more because the quests can be a little annoying (too many puzzles, maybe? or painful end fights?).


I disagree on this count only, I too think they should beef up the dragontouced armor and take a look at the runes to accomidate for the power creep but I disagree with the quests being the problem we need more quest like these in the game with puzzles and challenges in them instead of this new wave of content we have today where turbines idea of challenging content is lets throw 30 mobs at once and see if you can survive and the only thing more challenging is elite, which is 100 mobs

[Livmo]

I disagree on this count only, I too think they should beef up the dragontouced armor and take a look at the runes to accomidate for the power creep but I disagree with the quests being the problem we need more quest like these in the game with puzzles and challenges in them instead of this new wave of content we have today where turbines idea of challenging content is lets throw 30 mobs at once and see if you can survive and the only thing more challenging is elite, which is 100 mobs

0 Yeah! I like these quests, but more thinking and less mobs --------E

I did not like some of the mob after mob, and then more mobs, and yet another mob approach of some of the Wheloon content.

This was my first pitch fork post. Not sure why really, but I do feel like the trident guy in the movie Anchorman. At least add a few mobs that can be killed by some cool trick in the quest. Folks might like that. I'm not into ridculously I will really give you what you want over the top puzzle either.

Of course I wil recant all this the next time I have a meltdown in The Pit : ) )

Improving the loot could get more folks to run these quests and I would rather pug than solo.

[decease]

/signed

most of the old content need update.. most of the old named rare loot now are worst then normal generate loot.. certain weapon has not get their 1.5w to damage.. like bow of sniew and fang of sibery(can't remember the name =P)

[Ryiah]

But people might still face the grind if the Dragontouched armours were still relevant.

I don't know about anyone else, but I found it worthwhile for my completionist to prepare a heavy armor one with +10% and +20% heal amplification along with Destruction for future lives. I even went so far as to begin making an outfit of essentially the same thing. I find them to be very relevant for their intended level range. Don't expect them to suddenly begin competing with Epic content unless Turbine decides to make the entire pack Epic.

[Charononus]

Best heal amp source in the game at those levels so depending on build it's still some of the best armor to have. Some runes could be better however and maybe add some more prr onto them.

The quests aren't the problem though other than maybe the annoying flagging mechanic, make it once and done to flag turbine.

[kmoustakas]

I think the quests and the xp they give is right but indeed dragontouched armor shows it's age.

To be relevant it needs to have it's min level dropped to 12 like greensteel weapons. But beyond relevancy, the sovereign runes are totally outdated with duplicate effects and bugged effects (smiting for instance).

[Phaeton_Seraph]

Best heal amp source in the game at those levels so depending on build it's still some of the best armor to have. Some runes could be better however and maybe add some more prr onto them.

The quests aren't the problem though other than maybe the annoying flagging mechanic, make it once and done to flag turbine.

I could make an Aspect of Positive Energy item with Healing Lore, Greater Healing Lore, and Major Healing Lore that would give me a Rez clickie. Then I could wear it with my blue dragonscale/plate/hide/robes and have better Dex, AC and spell boosts. All of which I can start wearing at lower levels...

Healing amps are available on other items, and in some racial enhancement trees.

Just saying... it's not that impressive. It may be good for the healing amp, but not as armour.

I won't even be putting the Docent on my dog this life.

[Charononus]

I could make an Aspect of Positive Energy item with Healing Lore, Greater Healing Lore, and Major Healing Lore that would give me a Rez clickie. Then I could wear it with my blue dragonscale/plate/hide/robes and have better Dex, AC and spell boosts. All of which I can start wearing at lower levels...

Healing amps are available on other items, and in some racial enhancement trees.

Just saying... it's not that impressive. It may be good for the healing amp, but not as armour.

I won't even be putting the Docent on my dog this life.

Yeah you can make a gs heal amp stick but that nerfs dps. You also seem to be talking caster builds, I'm not. If you don't want to nerf your dps this armor is the best way to get heal amp at those levels. Having over 200% amp on a monk for example at those levels is very very nice.

[Soulfurnace]

Yeah you can make a gs heal amp stick but that nerfs dps. You also seem to be talking caster builds, I'm not. If you don't want to nerf your dps this armor is the best way to get heal amp at those levels. Having over 200% amp on a monk for example at those levels is very very nice.
A GS heal amp stick nerfs dps? How so?

[Charononus]

A GS heal amp stick nerfs dps? How so?

Well to get the same effect as you would from the armor ie always on for things like fists of light or healing ki in the previously given monk example you'd have to have it always in your hand. If you are a monk that means not using wraps which is lower dps usually. Even with a non-monk to have the always on benefit for it you'd have to have the gs stick in your hands at all time meaning you aren't using a real dps weapon. Now as a stick to swap to for scroll heals yeah healing amp sticks are great but armor provides always on.

[Soulfurnace]

Well to get the same effect as you would from the armor ie always on for things like fists of light or healing ki in the previously given monk example you'd have to have it always in your hand. If you are a monk that means not using wraps which is lower dps usually. Even with a non-monk to have the always on benefit for it you'd have to have the gs stick in your hands at all time meaning you aren't using a real dps weapon. Now as a stick to swap to for scroll heals yeah healing amp sticks are great but armor provides always on.
Oh, for fists of light. I'll admit, I don't really bother with that. Too lazy.

I've found 120 from wands (450 from scrolls) to be enough to cover all hjealz I need, freeing up ki for stunning! (Love stunning. Hate no enhanced ki. **** low ki. **** heroics.)

[Charononus]

Oh, for fists of light. I'll admit, I don't really bother with that. Too lazy.

I've found 120 from wands (450 from scrolls) to be enough to cover all hjealz I need, freeing up ki for stunning! (Love stunning. Hate no enhanced ki. **** low ki. **** heroics.)

try water for heroic questing, at the dragontouched level you'll have some ki stuff there and a better sf dc. I love stunning too and normally don't have any ki issues past low level where everything is dead pretty fast regardless.

[Soulfurnace]

try water for heroic questing, at the dragontouched level you'll have some ki stuff there and a better sf dc. I love stunning too and normally don't have any ki issues past low level where everything is dead pretty fast regardless.
I've found things just die too fast with no mercy+deadly items. Water stance would provide 100 ki over a 6 minute quest (fair estimate). 100/15=6.66. Or, 6 extra stuns over the length of a quest.

Not sure whether that helps more than the e-peen bonus of master of earth stance. (And my stunning is fine for everything except Wheloon chain. Seriously, what the heck. I took 53 DC stun in with imp sunder and was failing - often.)

[Kriogen]

Dragontouched? Reavers Refuge armor? Yes. That stuff is now pointless.

Change that armor into "blank armor with many extra gem slots". Convert those runes into augment gems. Some regular, some unique.

Gems. The key should be gems. I need only one armor (ok, maybe one extra for special situations). But gems are a different case. I have lots of alts.

[Phaeton_Seraph]

Well to get the same effect as you would from the armor ie always on for things like fists of light or healing ki in the previously given monk example you'd have to have it always in your hand. If you are a monk that means not using wraps which is lower dps usually. Even with a non-monk to have the always on benefit for it you'd have to have the gs stick in your hands at all time meaning you aren't using a real dps weapon. Now as a stick to swap to for scroll heals yeah healing amp sticks are great but armor provides always on.

I said item, not weapon. I used a crafting tool (cubicleninja), to make a necklace as proof of concept before I replied.

[Charononus]

I said item, not weapon. I used a crafting tool (cubicleninja), to make a necklace as proof of concept before I replied.

Ok I assumed you had miss typed because that is a completely different item than what I'm talking about since hamp is weapon only on gs.

[Soulfurnace]

Ok I assumed you had miss typed because that is a completely different item than what I'm talking about since hamp is weapon only.
My greater convalesant bracers of sup parrying disagree! (They were on my level 7 wizard, who I was about to delete.. glad I checked if he had anything of interest)

[Charononus]

My greater convalesant bracers of sup parrying disagree! (They were on my level 7 wizard, who I was about to delete.. glad I checked if he had anything of interest)

ummm are you saying you found greater conv bracers or really any conv bracers random gen, I know about levik's, sub 20 ml?

[Soulfurnace]

ummm are you saying you found greater conv bracers or really any conv bracers random gen, I know about levik's, sub 20 ml?
...Yes.

Maybe not. You just said a blanket "hamp is weapon only" and I...
Okay, let's be honest. I'm tired, cranky and there's no coffee. I might've failed reading comprehension, or I might've been acting like a dumbass. Take yer pick.

[Charononus]

...Yes.

Maybe not. You just said a blanket "hamp is weapon only" and I...
Okay, let's be honest. I'm tired, cranky and there's no coffee. I might've failed reading comprehension, or I might've been acting like a dumbass. Take yer pick.

I edited that post to be more specific, I was refering to gs. There is also the finger necklace, levik's and the fleshmakers brigadine and docent from the top of my head. Go get coffee, to paraphrase Ben Franklin Coffee is proof that God loves us.

[zDragonz]

The nicest thing about Dragon Touched is you can have 3 guard procs on it.

The +1 to Stats is outdated.
Change it to +2 or a combo of a plus 1 stat and plus 1 stat. For example: Plus 1 to Str and plus 1 to Con.
The resists are outdated.
Change it to 40

[Charononus]

The nicest thing about Dragon Touched is you can have 3 guard procs on it.

The +1 to Stats is outdated.
Change it to +2 or a combo of a plus 1 stat and plus 1 stat. For example: Plus 1 to Str and plus 1 to Con.
The resists are outdated.
Change it to 40

Exceptional +1 is all you can get in an exceptional even at level 28. Not saying that I would wear dt at 28 but that is not really a bad part and should not be changed period. As far as resists, you could maybe put in resist 30 not really sure what they are now but higher resists is pretty much an epic thing on gear I thought and once again should not be on a heroic item.

[Robai]

DT is still good armor at level, I don't mind the grind, but it should be BtA.
At least, make those matts BtA.

[Charononus]

DT is still good armor at level, I don't mind the grind, but it should be BtA.
At least, make those matts BtA.

I like that idea, at least for the runes maybe not for the armor itself.

[PermaBanned]

Really, it was probably great twink gear for a TR at one time. However, now, it's not really any better than random gen ML:16 stuff; not enough. And it can't compete with the ML:14 Dragonscale armours from Tor.
First, let me say I'm all for making the runes BTA. Second, totally agree most of the properties (like many of the game's named items) need to be specced up to be (at least) on par with (of not better than) what's randomly available at the same level. Third, I would love to see an epic adaptation to have such wonderfully customizable armor at the top levels.

But not relevant? I guess WF caster must be a niche case. After the change to generic spell lore that's how I felt about my heroic Blue Scale docent so I went looking for alternatives. (If it matters, I'm talking about a TR life, with one more arcane life ahead) After checking out the plethora of runes I'ld built up over previous lives, and after a bit of crunching & recrunching I credited a docent with +6 Int skills,* +2 spell pen and 8% Dodge.* Haven't found anything better at 16, and i was a ways into epics before replacing it. Still have a bunch of blank armors (cloth/light/med/hvy) and a bunch of runes with more to come on successive lives.

*Worth noting the text is bugged: it still says the old values of +3 skills & +4 dodge, but the properly updated values apply. Spell pen also has the old value listed as "Spell pen VIII" but applies to ninth as well.

Have no issue with the acquisition process - other than the reflagging for SoS. IMHO the only "problem" is none of the flags are solo friendly Elite @ level and that's not a problem for me, I like to party anyway!

So to bring it back around: between the hamp for melees and boosts for casters I'm really not seeing how they're not relevant at all...

[Phaeton_Seraph]

DT is still good armor at level, I don't mind the grind, but it should be BtA.
At least, make those matts BtA.

O Rly? You know what? I'll be a sport and agree it's not too bad at level. However, something you grind that much for should be good for 2 or 3 levels, not just one level.
:rolleyes:

[Charononus]

O Rly? You know what? I'll be a sport and agree it's not too bad at level. However, something you grind that much for should be good for 2 or 3 levels, not just one level.
:rolleyes:

Dude I don't think that anyone is arguing it's the ultimate armor for all builds anymore. What were saying is that for some builds and some classes it's still extremely useful. If I'm running a melee I tend to cap that life in it just because of the hamp bonuses and never having looted a leviks. It's still good armor the only truely horrible runes are the sovereign.

edit*
Just realized part of what I said might not be clear as I was using bad terminology, by capping that life I meant getting to 20, I still tend to refer to that as capping a life as that's when you can tr.

[Phaeton_Seraph]

Dude I don't think that anyone is arguing it's the ultimate armor for all builds anymore. What were saying is that for some builds and some classes it's still extremely useful. If I'm running a melee I tend to cap that life in it just because of the hamp bonuses and never having looted a leviks. It's still good armor the only truely horrible runes are the sovereign.

Charon, I know you're just posting for the sake of posting. That's fine. But seriously, by "some" you must mean 5% of players?

[Charononus]

Charon, I know you're just posting for the sake of posting. That's fine. But seriously, by "some" you must mean 5% of players?

Nope I'm dead serious I finding getting to 200% amp full time at level 16 to be extremely useful, I like the idea of bta runes, I like the idea of a little more prr etc on them, but there are things that can still be very useful on dt.

[PermaBanned]

O Rly? You know what? I'll be a sport and agree it's not too bad at level. However, something you grind that much for should be good for 2 or 3 levels, not just one level.
:rolleyes:

Lol Then why are you grinding for it, and why lobby on it's behalf? Are you asking them to give you something to grind for?

Unless they give it the full Epic treatment, it'll never be worth grinding for to most people. It'll always only be useful for a few levels; longer for some builds, less so for others. Please direct me to a better caster armor (outfit - whatever) from 16-20 (or even up to 24). Warning: if you say Blue Scale I'll laugh - the heroic got neutered.

As for grinding for it: don't. Just let the runes accumulate over a few lives if you don't get lucky right away. If you're not TRing, there's really no point in building a set.

[Archangel_666]

Please direct me to a better caster armor (outfit - whatever) from 16-20 (or even up to 24). Warning: if you say Blue Scale I'll laugh - the heroic got neutered.

*Shrug*

http://ddowiki.com/images/Robe_of_Shadow_(Level_16).png

http://ddowiki.com/images/thumb/Epic_frozen_tunic_tier_3.png/420px-Epic_frozen_tunic_tier_3.png
(Wiki didn't have a pic for the Level 16 version and I'm too lazy to screen shot one right now).

[Charononus]

*Shrug*

http://ddowiki.com/images/Robe_of_Shadow_(Level_16).png

http://ddowiki.com/images/thumb/Epic_frozen_tunic_tier_3.png/420px-Epic_frozen_tunic_tier_3.png
(Wiki didn't have a pic for the Level 16 version and I'm too lazy to screen shot one right now).

Robe of shadow is pretty much ****, you can get a better necro focus at level 9, gfl is on everything, about the only good thing is the necro spwr which could let you use a fanion perhaps and a cold or electric stick. It's useful but not exceptional, dt is the same way useful but not exceptional.

[Rakuda13]

I like the armor the way it is. It is a really long grind but it can be soloed if you go in overpowered.
Sure it is really only useful as twink gear but so is %50 of everything in the game.

I don't want augment slots in the armor,nothing is more disappointing than getting loot i have to go grind augments for.Especially when there isn't an exact place to grind augments. Every time I get some gear with an augment slot I check what I have,what the ship chest has and the AH. If there isnt augments there i just trash the item.If Dragontouch armor is changed to a augment system i would never run for dragontouch gear again.


The choices of the runes is very nice and you can get different runes by crunching them.At some point i get what i want from the runes.Its better than the grind for Green steel.I can grind for Dragontouch all day,Green steel only every three days.

I dont think anything needs to be changed,its just like anything else in the game.If it has a long grind most people dont do it. Ioun stones are another thing that gives good buffs,but lots of people don't grind that either.

If you want easy,just pull out your credit card and pay for it.But don't bother the people that enjoy the actual game by making it easier to use your credit card.

[PermaBanned]

*Shrug* <Robe of Shadow & Frozen Tunic>

Robe of Shadow? Not hardly. Probably easier to get than DT, but the properties are available in equal or better values and better (slot) locations.

The Frozen Tunic has potential, but mandates being fleshy (not saying fleshy is bad, just that's not a WF option) and is it's own grind to get. I'm not fond of the challenges, so can't compare that grind to the DT grind. If those are my best caster options vs DT, I'll stick with DT for best available (below epic dragon scale).

The best thing DT has going for it is flexibility. You can look at your gear and fill some holes, or relocate properties to free up other slots. If you feel it's too grindy to do this, then just don't. It's TR twink armor, and some of the best to be had when planning ahead for that purpose.

Edit: Mabar robe is probably the a contender for best, assuming that 1) you're a Pale Master, and 2) you don't mind it's seasonal & grindy nature...

Hmm... Seems like all the good stuff has a grind attached... Still not seeing where DT is "irrelevant" either...

[Phaeton_Seraph]

Lol Then why are you grinding for it, and why lobby on it's behalf? Are you asking them to give you something to grind for?

Unless they give it the full Epic treatment, it'll never be worth grinding for to most people. It'll always only be useful for a few levels; longer for some builds, less so for others. Please direct me to a better caster armor (outfit - whatever) from 16-20 (or even up to 24). Warning: if you say Blue Scale I'll laugh - the heroic got neutered.

As for grinding for it: don't. Just let the runes accumulate over a few lives if you don't get lucky right away. If you're not TRing, there's really no point in building a set.

I'm not grinding for it. That's the point. All my friends refuse to run the chain for any reason.

I did grind for it way back when. I have the full Tharne's set now, and I'm sad because it's just not worth changing out my blue dragonscale for the dragontouched on my artie, no matter what runes I pull out of my sack.

Go ahead an laugh. The blue dragon scale is way better for my artie than any dragontouched combo I can come up with. Neutered or not (and Dragonscale armours have been updated while Dragontouched has not).
The basic armour stats are superior and the blue has Spell Pen II, Lore VI, potency +52.

What can the dragon touched give me that rivals those effects and makes up for the basic inferior stats of the armour itself?

I can get superior item caster effects that match most runes from random gen items and I'm a ranged caster, so I don't find a defensive proc desirable. The drgontouched is obsolete except for a very few specific purposes.

Or for my Assassin, what can I grind that's better than a reflex save upgraded Parasitic Breastplate w/trinket?


Both of these armours are ML:14 and more people wear them until lvl 20 than bother with Dragontouched.




You may be right that dragontouched is not garbage, but I never said it was. It's just too lacklustre for anyone to bother with. Really, how many people do you know at epic levels who wore a dragontouched armour this life?

Don't be so stubborn, it should be better.

[Charononus]

I'm not grinding for it. That's the point. All my friends refuse to run the chain for any reason.

I did grind for it way back when. I have the full Tharne's set now, and I'm sad because it's just not worth changing out my blue dragonscale for the dragontouched on my artie, no matter what runes I pull out of my sack.

Go ahead an laugh. The blue dragon scale is way better for my artie than any dragontouched combo I can come up with. Neutered or not (and Dragonscale armours have been updated while Dragontouched has not).
The basic armour stats are superior and the blue has Spell Pen II, Lore VI, potency +52.

What can the dragon touched give me that rivals those effects and makes up for the basic inferior stats of the armour itself?

I can get superior item caster effects that match most runes from random gen items and I'm a ranged caster, so I don't find a defensive proc desirable. The drgontouched is obsolete except for a very few specific purposes.

Or for my Assassin, what can I grind that's better than a reflex save upgraded Parasitic Breastplate w/trinket?


Both of these armours are ML:14 and more people wear them until lvl 20 than bother with Dragontouched.




You may be right that dragontouched is not garbage, but I never said it was. It's just too lacklustre for anyone to bother with. Really, how many people do you know at epic levels who wore a dragontouched armour this life?

Don't be so stubborn, it should be better.

I run those quests every life at least monastery and kobold the xp can't be beat and the only hard part is the puzzle for one and kiting trash in the other.

[Soulfurnace]

I run those quests every life at least monastery and kobold the xp can't be beat and the only hard part is the puzzle for one and kiting trash in the other.
Shadow crypt.

Aside from that, yeah. ETK E/H/N, monastery... E/H*(lots)/N

[FestusHood]

I could make an Aspect of Positive Energy item with Healing Lore, Greater Healing Lore, and Major Healing Lore that would give me a Rez clickie. Then I could wear it with my blue dragonscale/plate/hide/robes and have better Dex, AC and spell boosts. All of which I can start wearing at lower levels...

Healing amps are available on other items, and in some racial enhancement trees.

Just saying... it's not that impressive. It may be good for the healing amp, but not as armour.

I won't even be putting the Docent on my dog this life.

You're right, you could make a heal amp stick. And then can go and hit things with it on your tempest. Then you can say, " wow, the damage from this weapon really sucks, why did i make it?"

You do know that heal amp currently stacks in a multiplicative way? Also that lores don't stack?

My tempest has black scale armor, and he has heal amp dragontouched. I don't wear the scale armor much.

The blue scale armor, and the white are junk. The blue being recently made so. I've had 20 of each of these scales for over a year, and i have yet to build a toon i want to inflict them on. Actually i may stick the blue on my bear tank druid, just because he can't use anything else.

The black armor is ok. Not that exciting.

You can also make a decent dragontouched threat amp suit if you are into that.

Yes, they should revisit it. It's a great pack, i really do like the quests in there. Adding +2 insightful to the sovereign tier would be nice. Remove the duplicates, and the ones that have a lesser and better version of the same effect at the same tier, i.e. striding, false life.

If there is good random armor that is dropping now, i haven't seen it yet.

[FestusHood]

I run those quests every life at least monastery and kobold the xp can't be beat and the only hard part is the puzzle for one and kiting trash in the other.

Yeah, i really hate that puzzle. It's the only one i've come across so far in the game i can't learn, and i've tried.

[GotSomeQuestions]

Yeah, i really hate that puzzle. It's the only one i've come across so far in the game i can't learn, and i've tried.
http://www.axiomfiles.com/Files/320262/monastery.html helps, but you really have to be quick on elite. It's a lot easier if you have people to kite Sanyassi and the trash around. Otherwise, you can run up top, glance at the puzzle, drop down and hopefully hit a couple tiles before they run back down the ramps.

[Charononus]

Yeah, i really hate that puzzle. It's the only one i've come across so far in the game i can't learn, and i've tried.

The puzzles the hard part for me too, but I can kite the scorp for hours unless I do something stupid so I usually kite and let someone else use a solver on the puzzle if needed.

[Phaeton_Seraph]

Yes, they should revisit it. It's a great pack, i really do like the quests in there. Adding +2 insightful to the sovereign tier would be nice. Remove the duplicates, and the ones that have a lesser and better version of the same effect at the same tier, i.e. striding, false life.



Well, in my personal experience, you're an outlier. Everyone I know, on my server, dislikes the chain.

[Ryiah]

Well, in my personal experience, you're an outlier. Everyone I know, on my server, dislikes the chain.

My personal experience is exactly the opposite. Everyone I know, on my server which is Khyber, is just fine with running the chain and will do so every single life. Though I do tend to avoid pugs as much as possible and those I run with don't find Heroic to be challenging in any sense of the word. The living spells, the traps, etc are all easy to overcome.

I don't recall exactly how long it took me to build my heavy dragontouched armor for completionist. But I definitely remember it took less time to build than the competing armors from other content.

[NaturalHazard]

I just did em on Elite, was fun not too much trouble, though it can still been a pain to farm for the right runes at least its not as bad as it was before, got some nice stuff like heal amp you can put on, but yeah they could do with maybe some slots?

Quests good for xp.


My personal experience is exactly the opposite. Everyone I know, on my server which is Khyber, is just fine with running the chain and will do so every single life. Though I do tend to avoid pugs as much as possible and those I run with don't find Heroic to be challenging in any sense of the word. The living spells, the traps, etc are all easy to overcome.

I don't recall exactly how long it took me to build my heavy dragontouched armor for completionist. But I definitely remember it took less time to build than the competing armors from other content.

yeah we often see pug lfms for them on Elite on khyber and ive run a few and not had any trouble.

[Propane]

I totally agee with OP thoughts - the DT armors need some love.

With a little tweaking - the DT armors could be very nice for the LV16-22 range...

The AC and allowable DEX values need to be better - (Docent esp) - they are much worse then the "new" ML 16 armor.

If they added a blue slot when all 3 tiers are filled - that would be a big help as well-

These two changes alone would be a big help !

[Arnhelm]

Tossing my two cp's worth in here... I agree with the idea of updating Dragontouched armor. I'd love to see it worth wearing to at least level 20.

[Phaeton_Seraph]

Any way to tell if a Dev even glanced at your thread?

[voodoogroves]

Monestary is run regularly in GLand in PUGs.

The other two not as much, but that one still gets farmed.