TWF Paladin?

[Wrathharvest]

I've been gone for a while and I'm just starting to get the hang of the new Enhancement system (I'm still a little shocked that I actually miss the old Enhancement system. It was incredibly clunky but after enough time I guess you get used to anything) but I'm still a little daunted by the scope of the changes.

So, in a nutshell, are twf paladins still viable? I'm warming up to TR my current guy (life #3! very exciting) and I suppose this is where normally I'd post the build I'd worked up, but I'm not sufficiently on top of things for that. I'm thinking a human, khopesh-using twf paladin. Maybe something like 18P/2M for the Evasion and feats? Is there a recent-ish build somewhere folks can point me to? Thanks!

[C-Shell]

have just been tring out of a pure twf paladin. that guy with the new enhancements was some of the most powerful toons i had so far. i used mine with nightmare bastards swords mostly. and you pretty much have to be in fury of the wild. adrenaline smites are what makes a toon like this very powerful.

axe of adaxus would be a very good choice too, freeing up a feat. if i remember correctly, i have seen crits for 12k damage with it.

when you need evasion (for velah epic elite for example), you can go shadowdancer and still be a very good toon.

feats: twf line, powerattack, cleave, great cleave, empower healing (for cocoon healing), overwhelming crit, improved crit slashing. are the important ones. i had to scratch quicken spell for the exotic weapon prof.

start with high str, 14 con, 14-16 char.

[unbongwah]

U19 has been both good & bad for pallies.

Good: Divine Might fast-casts, its duration can be doubled, and it no longer depends on your base CHA (which eases stat req's a bit); heal amp & energy drain immunity are no longer HotD-only; you can front-load most abilities sooner, like Divine Sacrifice & Exalted Smite; Toughness is no longer the must-have feat it was (good news for feat-starved classes in general).

Bad: since DM is now an insightful STR bonus, it no longer stacks with insightful STR gear and you have to get your CHA pretty high to equal the +8 dmg from Divine Might IV (esp. TWF); didn't get any new high-level goodies or an improved capstone, so pure pallies are still at a disadvantage to their multiclassed cousins.

Basically, U19 made pally an even more front-loaded class than before. The "sweet spot" for mostly-pally builds will be lvl 14 or 15, IMO: 14 gets you Zeal, 15 gets you a 2nd lvl 4 spell (DW or CSW) and an extra smite. Pure pally is still an option, but IMO the benefits of MCing outweigh the cons:

Monk: still a good pick for +2 feats and Evasion; also some of the low-tier monk enhancements will work even while uncentered (e.g., Shintao heal & threat amp, Ninja Acrobatic for +Dodge%).
Ftr: 1st lvl gets you extra feat, tower shield prof, Haste Boost, and Extra Action Boost; 2nd lvl gets you another feat and access to T2 abilities (e.g., Shield Striking for a S&B pally).
Rgr: this is really good if you want TWF+Manyshot (e.g., Pyrene (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/412000-Pyrene-the-Endgame-Paladin?highlight=pyrene)). Rgr 2 gets you 3 free feats and access to low-tier enhs (e.g., Conjure Arrows & EotW from AA); rgr 3 gets you +10% offhand procs from Tempest; rgr 4 gets you Prec Shot + Ram's Might.


Here's a build I'm considering LRing one my drow pallies into; it's based on Pyrene, with TWF+MS.

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Level 28 Lawful Good Drow Female
(15 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 3 Ranger \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 414
Spell Points: 260
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 20
Will: 20

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 16 27
Dexterity 16 17
Constitution 12 14
Intelligence 10 12
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 16 20

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Xen'drik Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Fiendslayer I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Fiendslayer II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Improved Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Sacrifice (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Sacrifice (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Vigor of Life (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Passion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Vigor of Life (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Holy Retribution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Sealed Life (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Arcane Archer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Morphic Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Conjure Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Energy of the Wild (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Energy of the Wild (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Energy of the Wild (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Shock Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sneak Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Versatile Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Versatile Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Holy Bastion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 3)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Elusive Target


Tempest provides +10% offhand procs & Haste Boost; DWS provides +2d6 SA and +40 Pos Spellpower (combine w/Emp Heal & Rejuv Cocoon); AA provides Conjure+imbues and EotW; SD for extra LoHs; Ninja for +3% Dodge and +2d6 SA; KotC for DPS & survivability bonuses. If I really wanted IPS, I think I'd do pal 14 / rgr 4 / monk 2 to get Prec Shot (and Ram's Might) free, same as Pyrene.

[maddmatt70]

U19 has been bad to non tank pallies because they got no real benefit gains whereas many other classes saw substantial gains in one form or another.

[wtorchia]

have just been tring out of a pure twf paladin. that guy with the new enhancements was some of the most powerful toons i had so far. i used mine with nightmare bastards swords mostly. and you pretty much have to be in fury of the wild. adrenaline smites are what makes a toon like this very powerful.


How has dual nightmare worked for you? I have 1 right now and I am mid TR for a 3rd life melee cleric. Debating on Nightmare or dual Celestia (already have).