Shadow Dancer completed, where next?

[Phaeton_Seraph]

The nearest EDs for me are Grandmaster of Flowers, Legendary Dreadnought, and Fate Singer.

Having made an assassin build, I don't see much use for these destinies. I guess I could work a bit at being a DPS rogue with dreadnought, but I'm not really sure how to go ahead with that.


Where would you guys go from here?

[Krelar]

The nearest EDs for me are Grandmaster of Flowers, Legendary Dreadnought, and Fate Singer.

Having made an assassin build, I don't see much use for these destinies. I guess I could work a bit at being a DPS rogue with dreadnought, but I'm not really sure how to go ahead with that.


Where would you guys go from here?

I'm leveling up fury of the wild right now and enjoying it (adrenaline increases sneak attack damage). So you'd go through dreadnought next to get there

[Phaeton_Seraph]

I'm leveling up fury of the wild right now and enjoying it (adrenaline increases sneak attack damage). So you'd go through dreadnought next to get there

I'll look though that destiny.

Any suggestions what to do while in Dreadnought? Not seeing a lot to inspire me.


If I wasn't running an Iconic, my current ED choices would make me choose to TR.

[Soulfurnace]

Any suggestions what to do while in Dreadnought? Not seeing a lot to inspire me.
Blitz and spam haste boost?

[Nightmanis]

Blitz and spam haste boost?

Essentially this.

[Enoach]

I suggest looking at "other" destines for things that would be useful for twisting...

Keep in mind you can do the "low hanging fruit approach" of just getting enough levels in a destiny to move to the next one - that being 3 or 4 levels. This will gain you fate points along the way.

Example:

LD has a Tier 1 Extra Action Boost - This can give you up to +3 more boosts for all of your boost type skills

GMoF has a Tier 1 Perfect Balance - This is up to +3% more dodge and if you haven't already capped out your % dodge this can help keep you from being hit

US has a Tier 1 Brace for Impact for up to +40% fortification and +2 Saves, could mean saving a gear slot for the extra fortification.

Magistar Tier 1 Unearthly Reactions up to +3$ dodge and +6 Reflex save

Draconic - Energy Sheath - use of a small spell point item can get you 50% absorption from an element

FotW has Fast Healing and Boulder Toss and Primal Scream - Tier 1s

PA has Rejuvenation Cocoon again you will need an SP item

[Satyriasys]

Don't look at the other destinies as what would be good for you, look at them as a path to where you need to get to. That will depend on what twists you may want and what destiny feats. Look at the destiny feats on the wiki page (http://ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Destiny_Feats) and see which spheres you need in order to get the feats that are useful for you. You may have a lot of leveling to do in destinies that are not useful for your build.

[Phaeton_Seraph]

Thanks for the replies, guys.

Certainly other destinies have things I may want. The problem is the path. When your neighbouring EDs appear to have little value and don't look fun at all.

Passing through Fate Singer on my Artie wasn't so terrible. Shadow Dancer makes being an Assassin viable at epics. The Artie was viable on most things outside his chosen destiny.


What can I make of use to an Assassin in Grandmaster of Flowers?

What can I make of use to an Assassin in Fate Singer?

What can I make of use to an Assassin in Dreadnought?


I'll look at Blits and Haste Boost, sure. But that's a lot of play time to grind my Fate points and move along the paths. I'm not really trying to complain, I'm just wondering how to make the best of it.


There are things in Draconic that could be cool, but I have to pass through Fate Singer.
Fate Singer is great, when completed. Just reset it it and adjust everything to optimise your Haggle. Change EDs when you want to buy your 100 stacks of scrolls... It's like being your own haggle bard. But grinding the destiny? How do I make it fun?

[LOOON375]

LD is awesome for a rogue, so is Fury of the wild.

don't just simply blow them off. Give them a try, since it sounds like you don't really know what they have to offer. And they have a lot to offer.

[Phaeton_Seraph]

LD is awesome for a rogue, so is Fury of the wild.

don't just simply blow them off. Give them a try, since it sounds like you don't really know what they have to offer. And they have a lot to offer.


OK, so what do I do with LD? Try to go a little bit more DPS oriented?

[elyone]

OK, so what do I do with LD? Try to go a little bit more DPS oriented?

YES. Thats exactly what you do.
Max out LD, then go to 3 tiers of Shiradi and from there to Fury.

In LD, for rouges there is not that much, becasue we lack (unless you took Cleave and G.Cleave for OC) tactical feats. However, as Enoach posted, the haste boosts plus the +3 uses, is very very nice. adds a lot to your DPS.
Also, you can get more Con.
Higher up there is Crit stuff.

IMHO, Fury is where it's at. The adrenaline KD is awesome. The most reliable CC in the game and will KD all non-red, even EE mobs. (Don't remember offhand about orange mobs).
I know it does not look like much on paper, the Fury ED, but once you try it, you can't go back...

[karl_k0ch]

For my Str-Based assassin, I found the following traits from LD to be useful:

More Strength
Extra Action Boosts
Improved Power Attack
Advancing Blows
Devastating Critical

If you're dex-based, you will still benefit from more Con and have still access to the PA feat. All of the other things improve your weapon damage independent of your main stat. If you didn't take Haste boost from the Acrobat tree, you can pick it up as well. Iirc, I didn't cap LD and did not play around with Blitz.

GMOF's benefit to an assassin are a lot of nice, small things (not as impressive as hitting a mob for 500 SA damage with adrenaline) - there's some fun in being centered with dual EMG. There are a number of small, but useful passive bonuses which increase your weapon damage, such as A Dance of Flowers, Hail of Blows, Piercing Clarity, Dancing with Flames. If that's an interesting stat for your build, there's Dex too. Furthermore, there are some nice defensive abilities like Perfect balance and the Save bonuses which allow you to save on a 1 eventually. Finally, the Ki abilities Lily Petal, Orchid Blossom, Drifting Lotus and a Scattering of Petals add some ranged and AoE damage which you usually don't have access to on a rogue, but I consider these marginal.

Fatesinger is similar: There are some small bonuses to weapon damage which are useful and pretty flavorful, but nothing to write home about.

[ReaperAlexEU]

also a new tip circulating, for when you really dont want to be in a destiny to level it up, go run a saga in your prefered destiny, then swap to the one you want to level before claiming your saga reward. i think one of the FR saga's is 80+K exp on epic elite, that's just over 2 ranks in a new destiny! heck, it's something like a full rank even at lvl4 in that destiny.

also a lot of the FR ones share quests, so when knocking one on the head you will have made good progress on the others too.

as for twists, INT twists are good on an assassin aiming for epic elite. if you're end game is epic hard then things are a little different, for one i guess the saga reward will be less but also the benefit of twisting extra INT is less. still, food for thought

[elyone]

please don't twist ability points. so many better things to twist.
unless all you are trying to do is be 1 dimensional to max your assassinate DC.

[ReaperAlexEU]

please don't twist ability points. so many better things to twist.
unless all you are trying to do is be 1 dimensional to max your assassinate DC.

of course, but it should still be on the table as an option. i'm sure a lot of casters would be delighted running about with a 12 second cooldown insta-kill with 70 DC in epic elites, as detailed in this INT based assassin thread: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/350693-Master-Assassin-an-int-based-build

that includes one INT twist and a full +4 INT from the shadow destiny. not sure if i'll pick up that much myself as there are just too many shinies in the shadow tree, but then my end game is EH not EE.

so i feel it's worth mentioning in an assassin thread

[CThruTheEgo]

For any build there's only about 1-3 destinies that really make it shine. All the others will have only a few perks. As your leveling through the destinies, either for fate points or to get to another one, you will have plenty of time to learn what they each offer for your specific build. But don't expect all of them to make your build uber. Instead, expect to find a few perks.


please don't twist ability points. so many better things to twist.
unless all you are trying to do is be 1 dimensional to max your assassinate DC.


of course, but it should still be on the table as an option. i'm sure a lot of casters would be delighted running about with a 12 second cooldown insta-kill with 70 DC in epic elites, as detailed in this INT based assassin thread: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/350693-Master-Assassin-an-int-based-build

that includes one INT twist and a full +4 INT from the shadow destiny. not sure if i'll pick up that much myself as there are just too many shinies in the shadow tree, but then my end game is EH not EE.

so i feel it's worth mentioning in an assassin thread

A high assassinate DC does not make a build one dimensional. It's possible without major sacrifices. The assassin in my sig gets a 69 DC without int twists or epic int feats, which allows me to take improved sneak attack and epic toughness. I do take the full 6 int from shadowdancer but the only real loss from that imo is not getting shadow manipulation, and I don't consider that a huge sacrifice.

[Cap_Man]

Don't look at the other destinies as what would be good for you, look at them as a path to where you need to get to. That will depend on what twists you may want and what destiny feats. Look at the destiny feats on the wiki page (http://ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Destiny_Feats) and see which spheres you need in order to get the feats that are useful for you. You may have a lot of leveling to do in destinies that are not useful for your build.

Good advice.

One Epic Feat you may be interested in as a rogue is the Elusive Target feat. You can get this at level 28 but you need to be maxed out in two destines from the Martial sphere. So for you that would be Shadowdancer and either LD or GMoF.

Elusive Target is (from DDOWiki):

Each time you would be physically damaged, you have a +5% chance to completely ignore the damage.
(This applies to physical attacks and spells the deal physical damage.)

[Phaeton_Seraph]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm encouraged to log back onto my shadowy friend.