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Firepants
10-08-2013, 09:06 PM
So I'm sittin here drinking beer and thinking about what I wanna do for a new build and it hits me, max HP. Something that can give me the most possible sustainable HP in the game as a foundation to hang some sort of DPS on. 20 Dwarf Barbarian? Maybe something like a WarPriest/Frenzied Berserker? I will TR a multi-life toon who has PL Fighter, Rogue, Sorc, and Wiz and a +5 Tome on all stats into the build that has the most theoretical HP and try to play through, hopefully getting another life out of the way.

As a diversion while I mull out some insanity myself, enjoy the Lowest Possible Hit Points in D&D 3.5 (http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/24406/how-can-i-get-a-character-with-the-lowest-hit-points-possible) for a laugh.

Firepants
10-08-2013, 09:28 PM
Here's my stab:


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

War Pig
Level 28 Neutral Good Dwarf Male
(15 Barbarian \ 5 Cleric \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 1029
Spell Points: 320
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 29
Reflex: 7
Will: 14

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 14 19
Dexterity 8 13
Constitution 20 36
Intelligence 8 13
Wisdom 16 21
Charisma 10 15

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 19

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Rage
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stability
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stonecutting
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Orc and Goblin Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Poison Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Rage
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Automatic) Damage Reduction


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge (Dodge Bonus)


Level 5 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Heroic Durability


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: CON


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Barbarian)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Rage


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Automatic) Indomitable Will


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: CON


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Epic: Epic Skills


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Positive


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Epic: Epic Will


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Forced Escape
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Die Hard (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Frenzy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Rage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Rage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Die Harder (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Die Harder (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Die Harder (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Athletics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Sprint Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Sprint Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Sprint Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Supreme Cleave (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Supreme Cleave (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Supreme Cleave (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Healing Domain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Pacifism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Bliss (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Bliss (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Bliss (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Incredible Healing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Incredible Healing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Incredible Healing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Divine Health (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Aura (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Foe (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 3)




Apparently there is no limit on Toughness feats you can take in DDO, which is pretty lame when it comes to trying to min/max hit points.

Teen
10-08-2013, 11:19 PM
So I'm sittin here drinking beer and thinking about what I wanna do for a new build and it hits me, max HP. Something that can give me the most possible sustainable HP in the game as a foundation to hang some sort of DPS on. 20 Dwarf Barbarian? Maybe something like a WarPriest/Frenzied Berserker? I will TR a multi-life toon who has PL Fighter, Rogue, Sorc, and Wiz and a +5 Tome on all stats into the build that has the most theoretical HP and try to play through, hopefully getting another life out of the way.

As a diversion while I mull out some insanity myself, enjoy the Lowest Possible Hit Points in D&D 3.5 (http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/24406/how-can-i-get-a-character-with-the-lowest-hit-points-possible) for a laugh.

My guildie has a first life 18ftr/2monk dwarf with like 2007 hp unbuffed or with shippies idk...

He's only lvl 25 and first life... and hasn't toughness spammed all his feats , so I'm sure you can get higher

unbongwah
10-09-2013, 02:43 PM
CON-based S&B Dwarven Defender seems the obvious choice; with +6 CON and +20% HPs from Gtr Defensive Stance. Monk splash gets you Evasion and two extra Toughness feats, if you really wanna push it. Can epic Toughness be taken more than once?

Firepants
10-09-2013, 03:20 PM
CON-based S&B Dwarven Defender seems the obvious choice; with +6 CON and +20% HPs from Gtr Defensive Stance. Monk splash gets you Evasion and two extra Toughness feats, if you really wanna push it. Can epic Toughness be taken more than once?
No, Epic Toughness is a one-off. I was honestly hoping Toughness was only a 3x possibility (I thought it was like that in actual D&D but was wrong), as that would have forced some building instead of just slapping Toughness all over the place. Though now I'm weighing a straight up Dwarven Stalwart build with US as his primary ED vs 15FTR/5CLR Dwarven Stalwart/Radiant Servant. I'd lose some HP, Tier 5 Stalwart (not a huge deal), but get to be a hate tanking glowbug. Which has it's appeal.

Nightmanis
10-09-2013, 04:53 PM
No, Epic Toughness is a one-off. I was honestly hoping Toughness was only a 3x possibility (I thought it was like that in actual D&D but was wrong), as that would have forced some building instead of just slapping Toughness all over the place. Though now I'm weighing a straight up Dwarven Stalwart build with US as his primary ED vs 15FTR/5CLR Dwarven Stalwart/Radiant Servant. I'd lose some HP, Tier 5 Stalwart (not a huge deal), but get to be a hate tanking glowbug. Which has it's appeal.

18 Fighter/2 Monk Dwarf max con S&B build.

Opportunity for 9 toughness feats, bet anything you could hit 60 con, 20% hp, then actually build for doublestrike and I wouldn't doubt you could actually do some meaningful dps with something like Mountain's Fist.

Best part about the build? 17 Strength is all you would need for anything (besides Overwhelming Crit) which means 13 starting strength and a +4 tome would get you your feats. Also, you've got a total of 21 feats by the time you hit 25 (24 by 28, counting the ED feats) so it's not like you can't build something that won't suck so bad you'll rip your eyes out.

unbongwah
10-10-2013, 03:14 AM
I was honestly hoping Toughness was only a 3x possibility (I thought it was like that in actual D&D but was wrong), as that would have forced some building instead of just slapping Toughness all over the place.
Hey, this is your nutty idea, dude, gotta learn to embrace the madness. ;)

Though now I'm weighing a straight up Dwarven Stalwart build with US as his primary ED vs 15FTR/5CLR Dwarven Stalwart/Radiant Servant. I'd lose some HP, Tier 5 Stalwart (not a huge deal), but get to be a hate tanking glowbug. Which has it's appeal.
Apart from aesthetics, I'm not seeing the point of a weaksauce aura and no bursts; esp. if it means giving up, say, Block & Cut on a S&B ftr.

unbongwah
10-10-2013, 03:33 AM
First stab at this monstrosity:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 Lawful Good Dwarf Female
(14 Fighter \ 4 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 991
Spell Points: 161
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 30
Reflex: 11
Will: 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 15 17
Dexterity 8 10
Constitution 20 33
Intelligence 10 12
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 12 14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery


Level 14 (Fighter)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CON
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Runes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Runes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Runes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Throw Your Weight Around (Axes) (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Overbalance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stand Fast (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Threatening Countenance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Threatening Countenance (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Threatening Countenance (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Instinctive Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Instinctive Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Instinctive Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Inciting Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Inciting Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Inciting Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Swift Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Hardy Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Hardy Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Hardy Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Block and Cut (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Block and Cut (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Block and Cut (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Holy Bastion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Divine Righteousness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Item Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Fiendslayer I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Axes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Axes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Toughness


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Toughness


Pal 4 is for Divine Grace, Righteousness, & Might. Almost 1,000 HPs w/out gear and only a +2 CON tome; +20% while in stance (and S&B).

Disclaimer: just because I built it doesn't mean I endorse it. Viewer discretion is advised. :o

Firepants
10-10-2013, 03:59 PM
First stab at this monstrosity:

Disclaimer: just because I built it doesn't mean I endorse it. Viewer discretion is advised. :o
I don't think you can take Toughness in lieu of the ED feats.

Here's my take. I dropped out Monk as I really don't want to be restricted to Light Armor (I really like the idea of Dwarf Fortress), took just 2 PAL levels for the CHA bonus to saves, maxxed Intim, and yeah, I didn't go too crazy with the Toughness feats:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Halfgar
Level 28 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(18 Fighter \ 2 Paladin \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 933
Spell Points: 40
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 35
Reflex: 13
Will: 13

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 14 19
Dexterity 10 15
Constitution 20 36
Intelligence 8 13
Wisdom 10 15
Charisma 14 19

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 19

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 0 19
Bluff 2 12
Concentration 5 21
Diplomacy 2 12
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 2 15
Heal 0 10
Hide 0 10
Intimidate 6 38
Jump 2 16
Listen 0 10
Move Silently 0 10
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 9
Search -1 11
Spellcraft -1 9
Spot 0 11
Swim n/a n/a
Tumble n/a 11
Use Magic Device 2 12

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stability
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stonecutting
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Orc and Goblin Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Poison Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 2 (Paladin)
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Heroic Durability


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Stand Like Stone (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Stand Like Stone (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Stand Like Stone (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarf Fortress (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarf Fortress (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarf Fortress (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Dwarf - Throw Your Weight Around (Axes) (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Overbalance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stand Fast (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Defensive Sweep (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Threatening Countenance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Threatening Countenance (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Threatening Countenance (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Inciting Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Inciting Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Inciting Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Shield Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Shield Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Shield Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Armor Expertise (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Armor Expertise (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Armor Expertise (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Shield Expertise (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Shield Expertise (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Shield Expertise (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Swift Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Hardy Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Hardy Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Hardy Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Reinforced Shield (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Reinforced Shield (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Reinforced Shield (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Constitution (Rank 1)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Bulwark of Defense


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Forced Escape




I mean, really, he just seems like a really capable tank, which I guess is what you get with an HP build. Not having Evasion is a pain, but between huge HP (once ED and everything is factored in it should be pretty ridiculous), and decent saves he shouldn't have much of a problem withstanding some beatings.

Arkadios
10-10-2013, 06:09 PM
Wear heavy armour with monk levels. Do it. Do it now. They're just for toughness bonus feats anyway I'd assume. Yes toughness IS a possible feat for the ED bonus feats.

unbongwah
10-10-2013, 07:06 PM
Nothing says you can't wear hvy armor w/monk splash; you just lose Evasion. It's still a net gain of 1 feat, +3 Will & Reflex saves, +5% heal amp from Shintao, and up to +3% Dodge from Ninja (Acrobatic). The only drawback to 16/2/2 split is losing lvl 18 core enh, but Defensive Sweep is pretty weak, IMHO.

bucyrus
10-17-2013, 11:18 PM
18 Fighter/2 Monk Dwarf max con S&B build.

Opportunity for 9 toughness feats, bet anything you could hit 60 con, 20% hp, then actually build for doublestrike and I wouldn't doubt you could actually do some meaningful dps with something like Mountain's Fist.

Best part about the build? 17 Strength is all you would need for anything (besides Overwhelming Crit) which means 13 starting strength and a +4 tome would get you your feats. Also, you've got a total of 21 feats by the time you hit 25 (24 by 28, counting the ED feats) so it's not like you can't build something that won't suck so bad you'll rip your eyes out.

I think 18 Fighter/2 Monk Dwarf would be the highest sustainable HP build

Overall you could have 13 Toughness Feats and 1 Epic Toughness. The 13 normal toughness would be Heroic 7 Feats (1/3/6/9/12/15/18), Epic(24,27), Destiny Feats (26,28), Monk Bonus (1,2). Epic Toughness would be at level 21.

Dwarves can boost CON and get Toughness enhancements and points spent in defender add to HP. Stance S&B would give 20% boost to HP and Child of the Mountains would add another 4% HP.

At least with fighter you can Get IC-Slash, PA/C/GC, THF/ITHF/GTHF, Shield Mastery/Improved Shield Mastery, Shield Deflection and by taking Put Your Belly into It you can add your CON mod to Dwarven Axe.

As a small concession to any cleric who trys to heal you you can get 5% HA for 1 point in Shintao Monak