20th DQ raid rewards are shards

[MeliCat]

I've just done my 20th DQ raid hoping for a base item. It's taken me a while to do due to lack of confidence, bad timing, distracted with other projects, so it's taken me a few months off and on. So finally just did my 20th just now... and... it's all shards and one skill tome.

I am annoyed.

Just putting it out there in case anyone going for a torc misses this. I must have missed a note some where?

+3 Upgrade Tome of Skill (Diplomacy +2 to +3)Shard of the Cloak of the ZephyrShard of the Demon Scale ArmorShard of the Green Blade
Shard of the Lion-headed Belt BuckleShard of the Marilith ChainShard of the Pouch of JerkyShard of the Sandstorm Glasses
Shard of the Staff of Arcane PowerShard of the Torc of Prince Raiyum-de II

I have a torc and a belt shard. You tend to get them when you run this raid on *multiple* characters as they're *BTA*.

GAH!!!!

Screenshots available when I get over being cross. Have not yet taken my reward. Trying to decide if I can be bothered doing another 20 again. ON HEROIC ON A LEVEL 27!!!!

[Dunklerlindwurm]

Your 20th heroic or 20th epic completion?

Edit: ok i guess this was 20th epic....but i like it actually that you can get shards now for epic completions.

[NapStack]

So this means that you can get the Spell Storing Ring shard from 20th list? Wow. Guess I'm going to have to start running DQ again.

[MeliCat]

So this means that you can get the Spell Storing Ring shard from 20th list? Wow. Guess I'm going to have to start running DQ again.

Um guys... look at the list... no. It's all the raid shards. If you're running this raid as regularly as I am the raid shards are pretty common and while I don't mind the torc or belt shards is there any other raid loot that you are seriously going to wear much past 20?

And h3ll yes, if a RoSS shard was on offer I would not at all be b1tching but running it like clockwork on multiple characters.

I am somewhat annoyed *mainly* because I don't believe we were told. I am fairly sure asking around that we weren't.

I am wondering if I can get a GM to set my counter back actually. Doubt it.

[01000010]

I thought everyon liked surprizes.

Guess not.

[Vellrad]

This is nothing strange to me.
It was always want base items, run heroic, want shards run epic, even in days with no EN/EH/EE difficulty.

[AtomicMew]

Maybe now I'll have a chance at a spell storing shard ;o

[Archangel_666]

Seems like a nice enough change to me, but I can certainly understand the OP's frustration about discovering this in the way they did.

Changes like these should be well documented.

I'm sure that had the OP known, they would have run it on Heroic instead of Epic.

[MeliCat]

Maybe now I'll have a chance at a spell storing shard ;o

No.

Look at the shards more closely

[MeliCat]

Seems like a nice enough change to me, but I can certainly understand the OP's frustration about discovering this in the way they did.

Changes like these should be well documented.

I'm sure that had the OP known, they would have run it on Heroic instead of Epic.

Yes

[Wipey]

Chances of getting any base item for a new toon or a new player just gotten much lower.
Epic adq /dq is at least fast good xp so getting 1 or 5 folks are quite common, but noone likes running stuff for no xp ( heroic raid ) at epic levels.
Fvsgimp at 15 / 20 atm, haven't decided what to TR into yet but thought why not get to 20 completions. Yay.
Good luck for at level raid. Adq is still fine.
Unnecessary and undocumented change.

Thanks for letting people know.

[MeliCat]

Chances of getting any base item for a new toon or a new player just gotten much lower.
Epic adq /dq is at least fast good xp so getting 1 or 5 folks are quite common, but noone likes running stuff for no xp ( heroic raid ) at epic levels.
Fvsgimp at 15 / 20 atm, haven't decided what to TR into yet but thought why not get to 20 completions. Yay.
Good luck for at level raid. Adq is still fine.
Unnecessary and undocumented change.

Thanks for letting people know.

I'm guessing that if I had done that as heroic I would have got heroic base items. It's not a mix. Everything there was a shard (and the crappy skill tome). But yes it would have been nice to know that that is what I needed to do.

I would like to get a *chance* on a base item even if I don't get the one that I would like.

[PpalP]

That means epic Von6 20th completion reward give you a SoS shard?

[Dandonk]

That means epic Von6 20th completion reward give you a SoS shard?

If so, OMG gimme naow.

[stoerm]

I am annoyed.


This was a nasty surprise for you, but I'm happy about the change and grateful you posted this. Some of my characters already have the base item(s), but none have them upgraded.

Some clarification would be nice. Is the epic list from running the 20th time on epic difficulty, or is it always given to epic level characters?

[MeliCat]

And oh gee... watch the lfms go up for Von56 now.

I mean I did them anyway cos good xp.

Fine... joining that one up right now... while in GMoF (on a PM... errrgh). Right at this point in time I have a strong desire to kill things. Digital monsters will have to do.

[MeliCat]

Some clarification would be nice. Is the epic list from running the 20th time on epic difficulty, or is it always given to epic level characters?

Please no. That would suck. "Just leaving my character at less than 20 while I get this <x>". Yes some clarification would be good. Notification also.

[EllisDee37]

This is an awesome change, full of win, IMO.

Now I can solo it on heroic for base items for my cleric, who would kind of like a torc, while grouping (or soloing) it on epic on my other alts for shards. Woot!

[Wipey]

Both epic and heroic completions count towards 20 so ...
If you do your 20 th on epic you get bunch of useless raid shards, if you do 20 th on heroic, you get base items ?

/roll d2.

[Thalone]

How come all the good drama happens to Meli. I want some too. :(

[amtoru]

So if you want base item - you must run your 20th on heroic? Or all on heroic? Only ADQ2 or ADQ1 too?
Or you must be in heroic levels yourself, < 20 lvl, and being >=20 lvl always gives shards now regardless of the difficulty?

[Ivan_Milic]

That means epic Von6 20th completion reward give you a SoS shard?

That would be great.

[MeliCat]

So if you want base item - you must run your 20th on heroic? Or all on heroic? Only ADQ2 or ADQ1 too?
Or you must be in heroic levels yourself, < 20 lvl, and being >=20 lvl always gives shards now regardless of the difficulty?

Don't know. It would be nice to find out :/

[sirgog]

Confirming this makes me more inclined to run EVON5-6 and less inclined to run EADQ2.

Remember, you still need the seals to make these items, and the DQ raid seals are a bastard to get.

[EllisDee37]

Confirming this makes me more inclined to run EVON5-6 and less inclined to run EADQ2.

Remember, you still need the seals to make these items, and the DQ raid seals are a bastard to get.Actually, desert seals are some of the easiest. But...fight club.

[patang01]

Nice change, as it always should've been.

Hopefully all kind of shards will drop. This gives us a reason to run older Epics again. Now add a chance for a comm drop in Epic raids and you got the perfect score.

[darkly_dreaming]

Shards in the end reward list definately seems like it would increase interest in those older raids. At least ... for those of us who HAVE run it on epic many, many times on multiple characters and never been fortunate enough to get the shard they're looking for. :) May be taking a break from tr'ing every 3 days to run a couple raids again!

[Ayseifn]

VoN doesn't give shards for 20ths unless there's some trick to it, EH 20th and just raid items.

[Dandonk]

VoN doesn't give shards for 20ths unless there's some trick to it, EH 20th and just raid items.

Hmm, that's not good.

[Wipey]

How is it a good change ? It seems to only offer raid shards, those items are barely useful anymore WHILE exponentially lowering chance for new players / toons to get useful base items ( Mari chain, Torc, PM bracers, Marcus crest is decent too ).

All my toons except one fvs have Torc or two and all are from 20 th or 40 th reward, and that was when you could actually FILL a raid.
Chance to get a Torc/Marichain now is basically non existent with this change.

[LightBear]

I like this change a lot!
Thx for telling me, now I have a goal to run those raids even more. :)

And it's not like Heroic Raids aren't run anymore. At least on G-land I see a lfm for those all the time with a note that says "Quick loot run, all welcome".

I wonder what this change does for end of chain quests like "Under The Big Top"?
Does that mean I finally get my pair Epic Kronzek's Cruelty together?



....



Wait, what about seals, darn I need those as well.

[Wizza]

The fact that all you got were Shards from the Raid doesn't cancel the possibility to get also the other Shards.

We will see.

[MeliCat]

Would still love an answer to : if i do 19 raids on epic and do my 20th on heroic, will that give me a list of heroic raid items?

Going to keep bumping this thread until I find out. Also as a warning to others who may end up wasting 20 completions in search of a base item in this way.

[NaturalHazard]

Would still love an answer to : if i do 19 raids on epic and do my 20th on heroic, will that give me a list of heroic raid items?

Going to keep bumping this thread until I find out. Also as a warning to others who may end up wasting 20 completions in search of a base item in this way.

You know if its different I would like them to have different timers for heroic and epic at least. I like epic on an epic toon as I get XP at the end of it, even if I get a bunch of trash in the end chest, doing it on heroic is ok I guess for DQ as can quickly solo it, heck do pre raid on epic then raid on heroic.

Von cant solo :(. prob have to do von5 on heroic but might find people to do von 5 epic then von 6 heroic, though is that even possible? I never checked.

well cant solo unless you multi box maybe.

[MeliCat]

/bump

This is a community announcement - don't waste your 20 hard won DQ completions.

If anyone has an experiential answer to just doing the 20th run on heroic safely giving base items, please let us know.

[chadj82371]

Been running it with a couple of guildies who are looking for a couple of base items. I think one of them is 2 away from his 20th so I'll try and make sure we run it on heroic that night and let you know if his list includes base items or not. Will be a few days though .

[IronClan]

wonder if all shards was a bug?

[Wipey]

60 th on my 1st lifer gimpwizard. Did 60th on heroic elite.
Only raid shards ( + Marcus, Arcane power ,Storm not in SS ) + 2-3 upgrade tome. FAIL. Waste of time for anyone doing DQs for base items.

http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/513/s2cu.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/s2cu.jpg/)

[viktorserak]

Can anyone confirm Shards in 20th reward of VoN?

I want my eSoS.

[Gauthaag]

60 th on my 1st lifer gimpwizard. Did 60th on heroic elite.
Only raid shards ( + Marcus, Arcane power ,Storm not in SS ) + 2-3 upgrade tome. FAIL. Waste of time for anyone doing DQs for base items.

http://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/513/s2cu.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/s2cu.jpg/)

but it also seem not only raidshards are in that list, as zephyr is desert drop

[Gauthaag]

sorry, dumb me...cloak of zephyr:/ well, no reason for joy

[EllisDee37]

Well. Torc just got a million times more difficult to farm up. *pout*

[Arianka]

Can anyone confirm Shards in 20th reward of VoN?

I want my eSoS.
See rspnse #28 above.

[MeliCat]

:/ Don't be caught like i was.

[Scraap]

Ouch. Particularly since they'd mentioned a bit back that the 20th snafu was at least partly due to them trying to track heroic and epic completions separately. Maybe time to start advocating for upping the droprate of the base items on epic difficulties?

[NaturalHazard]

Ug you can't get items on 20th lists even if you do heroic?

I have only one sos base item on the toon that wants an epic SOS, geez maybe even if I get the parts I might not upgrade it, if im going to be doing some tring on that toon, sos very useful 10-20 though I could use carnifex to 12 then a greensteel weapon.

[Krelar]

Ug you can't get items on 20th lists even if you do heroic?

I have only one sos base item on the toon that wants an epic SOS, geez maybe even if I get the parts I might not upgrade it, if im going to be doing some tring on that toon, sos very useful 10-20 though I could use carnifex to 12 then a greensteel weapon.

You may want to read post #28, so far this only seems to affect ADQ

[amtoru]

I just completed my 20th ADQ and got a list of base items as reward. Sorry, did not thought about taking a screenshot - was so happy with getting the Torc :)
To get there I did about 4 heroic ADQ1 (while levelling), others were all ENormal, as I soloed nearly all of them.
About 17-18 heroic ADQ2, only 2-3 ENormal/EHard.
On the 20th run I did ADQ1 on heroic elite and ADQ2 on heroic normal, solo as usual.

Sorry again for no screenshot, looks like we have contradicting information in this thread now :(

Edit: screenshot with torc in inventory & completion count:
http://i.imgur.com/rV9vO7R.jpg (http://imgur.com/rV9vO7R)

[MeliCat]

I just completed my 20th ADQ and got a list of base items as reward. Sorry, did not thought about taking a screenshot - was so happy with getting the Torc :)
To get there I did about 4 heroic ADQ1 (while levelling), others were all ENormal, as I soloed nearly all of them.
About 17-18 heroic ADQ2, only 2-3 ENormal/EHard.
On the 20th run I did ADQ1 on heroic elite and ADQ2 on heroic normal, solo as usual.

Sorry again for no screenshot, looks like we have contradicting information in this thread now :(

Edit: screenshot with torc in inventory & completion count:


Congrats on your torc!

No conflicting is fine. We are trying to work out what is going on so the more samples the better. Sadly reproducing this 'bug' (design choice?) takes a fair amount of effort (months?).

I wonder if it's something like the percentage you did epic compared with heroic - so a kind of saga score system creates a tipping point at which you get offered either heroic rewards or epic? Or it could be something else entirely.

I would really like to see
1) Staff acknowledgement that this is non-WAI
2) Some sort of comment oh exactly how the non-WAI is currently non-WAI-ing
3) GMs are given instructions to be able to set players raid counters back to 19 for those of us who get screwed :/
4) Some sort of interim fix or work around while waiting for a fix. Or a fix itself. That would be good.

[RedOrm]

I just completed my 20th ADQ and got a list of base items as reward. Sorry, did not thought about taking a screenshot - was so happy with getting the Torc :)
To get there I did about 4 heroic ADQ1 (while levelling), others were all ENormal, as I soloed nearly all of them.
About 17-18 heroic ADQ2, only 2-3 ENormal/EHard.
On the 20th run I did ADQ1 on heroic elite and ADQ2 on heroic normal, solo as usual.

Sorry again for no screenshot, looks like we have contradicting information in this thread now :(

Seeing how they stealth-changed it the first time (to give shards), I'm guesing they may have stealth-changed it again (to give items on heroic).
My main is running this on EN every 3 days and will hit 20 in a few weeks, my 2nd recently flagged and will run it on HH; I'll post the list for both once I get it -assuming by then there is still doubt :P

Greetz,
Red Orm

[MeliCat]

/community warning bump

Speaking of sample sizes reminded me... if anyone has done a 20th recently or knows of someone who did, please add a sample here.

[Archangel_666]

/community warning bump

Speaking of sample sizes reminded me... if anyone has done a 20th recently or knows of someone who did, please add a sample here.

Did my 38th run earlier today on my Druid. Be about a week before I hit my 40th, but I'll let you know what I find.

[Archangel_666]

My 40th

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/751/0ewc.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/971/dqq0.jpg

*sigh* Still no Torc, naturally...

Ran it about 90% on Heroic.

[garlor]

so, what decides when you get shards list or base items list?

[EllisDee37]

Seems to be the difficulty of the single run that generates the list determines it. The OP did a 20th list run on epic and got only shards, while a couple others have reporting do a heroic 20th and getting base items.

[Erdrique]

I'm curious to see what is actually happening here. If the 20th completion reward list is based on the last setting (epic vs heroic) run attempt to hit that mark then it just seems to generate a disconnect between running DQ2 on Epic Settings for epic characters and trying to loot a desired based item. It would force those epic characters to run it on heroic difficulty settings, which doesn't allow them to earn any experience for their trouble. Seems counter intuitive to me. Especially since it appears not to work that way for some of the other raids, where you can still gather the base items from epic runs.

[Bolo_Grubb]

Can anyone confirm Shards in 20th reward of VoN?

I want my eSoS.

Me too

[Wipey]

Don't know why wizzy got shards from her 60 th heroic ( most of those completions were a year ago though, even before Motu ), this time 20 th on gimplazorfvs on heroic worked for base items ( most of the completions were on epic hard, last 2 or 3 on heroic elite ).
http://imageshack.us/scaled/modthumb/854/6ihx.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/6ihx.jpg/)

and 1-2 charisma tome
Two 1-2 skill tomes.

[EllisDee37]

So far in this thread I'm seeing:

- OP ran epic 20th, got shards
- several other posters ran heroic 20th, got base items

Could we get an intrepid tester to run a 20th on epic for more datapoints?

[AtomicMew]

I currently have 6 toons that are 3-4 runs from 20th. All DQ2 runs were in EH.

[EllisDee37]

I currently have 6 toons that are 3-4 runs from 20th. All DQ2 runs were in EH.Perfect test case if you'd be willing to sacrifice one of those 20th lists on a epic DQ1&2 run to see if you get shards. EN would be a sufficient test, but any epic difficulty (ie: the ever-present EN DQ1, EE DQ2) would work.

[MeliCat]

60 th on my 1st lifer gimpwizard. Did 60th on heroic elite.
Only raid shards ( + Marcus, Arcane power ,Storm not in SS ) + 2-3 upgrade tome. FAIL. Waste of time for anyone doing DQs for base items.


Ah this is not good. I'm sorry for your waste of 20 completions.

Would really love a Dev response to this if possible.

[Wipey]

Ah this is not good. I'm sorry for your waste of 20 completions.

Would really love a Dev response to this if possible.
It's fine, that character has 2 Torcs ( and gave away 1 or 2 ) and most of the named items from DQ, those completions were maybe 2 years ago ( when you could actually fill a raid and trading was no-no, more camraderie and need before greed attitude in general :)).

20 th on heroic works for most it seems.

[MeliCat]

Bumping as a community service.

Starting towards 40 runs for myself hoping by the time I get there I'll be offered base items.

[RaidMR]

Been running it with a couple of guildies who are looking for a couple of base items. I think one of them is 2 away from his 20th so I'll try and make sure we run it on heroic that night and let you know if his list includes base items or not. Will be a few days though .

I'm the guilding that Antello was mentioning. I can confirm that on my 20th completion (running on Heroic Elite) I got a list of the items and not shards. I'll post a pic when I'm back at home. (Sorry too lazy this morning to set it up :p )


Screenshot or it didn't happen:
http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/ii488/RaidMR/ScreenShot00117.jpg http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/ii488/RaidMR/ScreenShot00118.jpg

[chadj82371]

I'm the guilding that Antello was mentioning. I can confirm that on my 20th completion (running on Heroic Elite) I got a list of the items and not shards. I'll post a pic when I'm back at home. (Sorry to lazy this morning to set it up :p )

Ah, beat me to it. :)

[MeliCat]

I'm the guilding that Antello was mentioning. I can confirm that on my 20th completion (running on Heroic Elite) I got a list of the items and not shards. I'll post a pic when I'm back at home. (Sorry too lazy this morning to set it up :p )


Screenshot or it didn't happen:
http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/ii488/RaidMR/ScreenShot00117.jpg http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/ii488/RaidMR/ScreenShot00118.jpg

Thanks for this. Can you tell me what percentage of heroic runs and what percentage of epic runs you guys did roughly?

[MeliCat]

Has anyone else had issues with this? Not an easy thing to test. Still not on the known issues list.

[Thalone]

Several weeks ago I did a 20th on a character that was exclusively running on epic and got a shard list. A couple of weeks ago I ran a 20th on a character that was mostly epic and maybe 20% heroic (20th was heroic) and got a base item list.

[IronClan]

MAN I wish VON5-6 suffered from this bug LOL... just got the seal the other day, someone passed it to me without even asking if anyone wanted to roll... I know the seal is much more common than the shard, but honestly this is only the second piece I've ever seen in the quest when it dropped (besides a couple scrolls) I rolled on the shard a couple weeks back and had the low roll when someone decided to roll a 1 at the last moment LOL...:cool: Any chance all epic VON completions get a shard list?

I know someone reported getting a normal list from VON but since this bug seems to not always effect everyone (or has some Heroic/epic relationship) you never know.

[DDOisFree]

I learned that the best way to deal with getting a torc is to ignore its existence, and just cover my ears and sing 'lalala' everytime I hear any mention of it.

Then again I've been TRing my caster too much to bother wasting time with farming it, so it doesn't matter anymore.

[RedOrm]

For the record: hubby rand his 20tht DQ a week ago on EH, got a liat of shards and some tomes (took a tome as there were no shards usefull to him).
I will be running mine this weekend, on EH as well, hoping for a torq shard; I'll post the results once I have them.
We've been doing all runs on EH.

Greetz,
Red Orm

[slarden]

My last 2 runs since the update were on EH and EE. In both cases we received 4 chests - the heroic version and epic version. Now is a good time to farm.

[Ivan_Milic]

I learned that the best way to deal with getting a torc is to ignore its existence, and just cover my ears and sing 'lalala' everytime I hear any mention of it.

Then again I've been TRing my caster too much to bother wasting time with farming it, so it doesn't matter anymore.

Thats how I got my torc, first ever run on my caster on ee and torc in chest.

[RedOrm]

Just did my EH 20tht run: 1 upgrade tome of bluff +3, and loads of shards, all raid only items.
Happily for me, the very last one was the Torc shard, so no complaints there.
Now I only have to run wiz king into the ground for the seal...

Greetz,
Red Orm

[Wipey]

Now I only have to run wiz king into the ground for the seal...

Drop rates lowered with Motu, but still ransacking Adq monkey, scorp and octo chests would be better I think.
But it's really low now, might be almost impossible to get particular seal if you didn't run desert epics before Motu.

[RedOrm]

Drop rates lowered with Motu, but still ransacking Adq monkey, scorp and octo chests would be better I think.
But it's really low now, might be almost impossible to get particular seal if you didn't run desert epics before Motu.

Ugh I didn't know they dropped. I thought chances for that particular sealwere better in wiz king, but hey I'll just run both. Just wish I could solo them. (guess I could solo dq1, but not too familiar yet with wiz king). Anyway, it does seem like there's no non-raid shards in the 20tht list.

Greetz,
Red Orm

[goodspeed]

That means epic Von6 20th completion reward give you a SoS shard?

That would sure as hell be nice.

[Eth]

Did my 40th 2 days ago. All runs done on epic.
It still gives a list of raid item shards (which I was happy about and hoping for, got my base items already ;)).

[Thalone]

Semirelated update. Apparently it's shards for Chrono too:

http://i58.tinypic.com/2eczx2d.jpg

So of the scroll-seal-shard raids, no SoS for you.

I also ran my 20th DQ2 on an alt farming for a torc. I did 19 runs (absolutely certain of this, I dualboxed it on epic hard 19 times on my wizard on EH and once levelling heroic) and the 20th on HE; the 20th list was base items.

[slarden]

Semirelated update. Apparently it's shards for Chrono too:

http://i58.tinypic.com/2eczx2d.jpg

So of the scroll-seal-shard raids, no SoS for you.

I also ran my 20th DQ2 on an alt farming for a torc. I did 19 runs (absolutely certain of this, I dualboxed it on epic hard 19 times on my wizard on EH and once levelling heroic) and the 20th on HE; the 20th list was base items.

Very interesting - thank you for posting. Ironically the shards are the easiest of the 3 items to acquire in eChrono.