Cheating in everywhere

[Demiourgos]

why turbine don't fix it?

and guys, be fair. shame on you

[ericrd]

uh ....read the launcher or dev tracker

[Teen]

why turbine don't fix it?

and guys, be fair. shame on you

This is just a "big" exploit it's sad people don't act like this over other exploits.

[sirgog]

This is just a "big" exploit it's sad people don't act like this over other exploits.

They mostly don't leave a lasting impact on the game.

[burningwind]

if this means everyone in game will get their dragonscale armor, then am totally supporting it.. i mean if thats the case i never need to worry about pug group anymore, at least people i pug with will always have dragon scale armor =P

[FlaviusMaximus]

if this means everyone in game will get their dragonscale armor, then am totally supporting it.. i mean if thats the case i never need to worry about pug group anymore, at least people i pug with will always have dragon scale armor =P

Yeah. I totally don't have any moral objections to people getting stuff for themselves out of this.

If they use the exploit to trade stuff for Otto's Boxes or sell them for shards or plat, well then they are exploiting other people, and I really don't like that. There's a big difference between exploiting the game and exploiting others, in my book.

[burningwind]

Yeah. I totally don't have any moral objections to people getting stuff for themselves out of this.

If they use the exploit to trade stuff for Otto's Boxes or sell them for shards or plat, well then they are exploiting other people, and I really don't like that. There's a big difference between exploiting the game and exploiting others, in my book.

not sure about exploiting other people.. i mean if they trade the box for it, it means they want the scale. the scale still remain the same function do they not? in another way, isn't trading these box for scale an exploit to people who earn them on their own? i mean it is sorta like cash shop selling equipment is it not? ddo is not about pvp, or player compete one another, it is about team work. who don't want stronger allies? who enjoy solo the game 24/7? at least i don't, which is why i don't usually make solo hybird build..(admit i did made one =P for times i couldn't find any group)

[Qhualor]

Yeah. I totally don't have any moral objections to people getting stuff for themselves out of this.

If they use the exploit to trade stuff for Otto's Boxes or sell them for shards or plat, well then they are exploiting other people, and I really don't like that. There's a big difference between exploiting the game and exploiting others, in my book.

you don't have to get stuff from the game if you already have it by using the exploit. see how it all connects?

[Braegan]

you don't have to get stuff from the game if you already have it by using the exploit. see how it all connects?

removed.

[FlaviusMaximus]

you don't have to get stuff from the game if you already have it by using the exploit. see how it all connects?

Nope. Enlighten me.

[fco-karatekid]

Why am I always the last to hear about these things? Do I need to update my client? Don't MAKE me come in there!

[burningwind]

you don't have to get stuff from the game if you already have it by using the exploit. see how it all connects?

true, but that doesn't means they are not going to play the game. if they don't need it they might pass it to someone who do need them. isn't that a good thing? or in your mind anyone who trade otto for stuff never play the game.. or people who purchase stuff from shard auction house never need to play the game?

dragon scale armor is not end game armor, not without upgrarde. this current issue will only grant them base dragonscale armor, which is decent for epic gameplay. but not enough to make it end game, they still have to farm commendation of heorism and perhaps pdk favor to upgrade the armor.


Why am I always the last to hear about these things? Do I need to update my client? Don't MAKE me come in there!

it seem to be only happening to sarlona.. and they are fixing it.. it seem ... not sure.. sorta regret i never bought any of the scale.. oh well~~

[Battlehawke]

Its human nature to always try to find an advantage. I don't know much about exploits and try to stay clear of them. My account us too important to me. However Turbine intentionally doesn't list nor inform people of specific "things that will get you banned". I personally believe that if you can do something with in the parameters of the game, then its not an exploit. What if you stumble onto/into something and do it for years and then someone comes along and says you are breaking the rules and should be banned? Are they right? Is "Perching" against the rules" Turbine certainly lets you do it. They even design quests where "Perching" seems like a part of the plan. Does "kiting" a demigod through a blade barrier or wall of fire an exploit? After all. Would a demigod really be stupid enough to do that over and over? C'MON MAN! is "chest farming" an exploit? Who gives you the right to go for the easy chest and NOT finish the quest? Is that what the Devs intended? Someone told me the other day that I was exploiting because I kept my Royal Guard Mask in the shared bank and swapped it on toons so that I can always use it on the toon I am on. They said that was not the intention of the shared bank. C'Mon Man!

Who really cares? Play your game and let others play theirs! If you don't like how they play theirs then don't quest with them. If you really think they are breaking some great rule then report them and move on. If Turbine doesn't worry about it or "change" it then just pull your panties up, dry off your tears, zip up your whining, tell your mom you are ok............ and just move on.

[SSFWEl]

dragon scale armor is not end game armor, not without upgrarde. this current issue will only grant them base dragonscale armor, which is decent for epic gameplay. but not enough to make it end game, they still have to farm commendation of heorism and perhaps pdk favor to upgrade the armor

Offtopic:
So what IS end-game armor? Upgraded dragonscale armor is almost the same as base. adding an enhancement level and armor level? that's what makes it endgame?

besides, the other mats you need to upgrade...

[Ginarrbrik]

true, but that doesn't means they are not going to play the game. if they don't need it they might pass it to someone who do need them. isn't that a good thing? or in your mind anyone who trade otto for stuff never play the game.. or people who purchase stuff from shard auction house never need to play the game?

dragon scale armor is not end game armor, not without upgrarde. this current issue will only grant them base dragonscale armor, which is decent for epic gameplay. but not enough to make it end game, they still have to farm commendation of heorism and perhaps pdk favor to upgrade the armor.

Except that I saw someone link 500+ comms of heroism -- obviously duped. And upgraded armor is negligibly different from the base item. So I really don't know what you're talking about.


it seem to be only happening to sarlona.. and they are fixing it.. it seem ... not sure.. sorta regret i never bought any of the scale.. oh well~~

It's definitely NOT only on Sarlona. It's on almost every server.

Oh yeah, and check your spelling before posting.

[fco-karatekid]

ok srsly ppl: 1) i already knew the exploit - i was being humorous 2) don't pm me the instructions anymore and 3) even if i did delete the pm per your instructions, turbine can see deleted pm's

do you even exploit, bro?

[ThePrisoner]

ok srsly ppl: 1) i already knew the exploit - i was being humorous 2) don't pm me the instructions anymore and 3) even if i did delete the pm per your instructions, turbine can see deleted pm's

do you even exploit, bro?

Aye aye aye. You probably just got people banned for trying to help you by announcing it on the forums.

[relenttless]

you don't have to get stuff from the game if you already have it by using the exploit. see how it all connects?

true up to a point, but if you bought 20 red scales for 400k each, or for 40k each you still will end up running von6 20 times to get the shard, likewise shroud ingredients, I bet there are a lot of people proudly looking at 20 newly acquired LDS realising they have zero shards to make anything.

[Gauthaag]

facing this witchhunt i wonder how many of those complaining and calling burn em were involved in affairs like Banked chests, seals n shard sharing and so on? And i never heard about some exemplary punishment for any of those ...now tell me about getting unfair advantage

[kned225]

Nope. Enlighten me.

The exploit changes the value of astral shards, which are often puchased with real money

[Gauthaag]

The exploit changes the value of astral shards, which are often puchased with real money

how? please expalin

[Meat-Head]

The exploit changes the value of astral shards, which are often puchased with real money



Good! I'm all for people screwing up the value of the blatent-money-grab that was A. Shards.

[Snapdragoon]

I actually noticed that because of this not only was the amount of people online more then usual, but that raids that nobody ran anymore were being run for loot again XD

there is also a perception that the exploiters are 12 year olds trying to screw everyone. I know for a fact that a lot of the best guilds and groups on my server took part in this "feature" these are the same people that TR over and over, buy shards, buy ottos boxes, pay for content, and have a vip sub.

go ahead turbine, ban EVERY exploiter. put that final nail in the coffin.

[Uska]

I actually noticed that because of this not only was the amount of people online more then usual, but that raids that nobody ran anymore were being run for loot again XD

there is also a perception that the exploiters are 12 year olds trying to screw everyone. I know for a fact that a lot of the best guilds and groups on my server took part in this "feature" these are the same people that TR over and over, buy shards, buy ottos boxes, pay for content, and have a vip sub.

go ahead turbine, ban EVERY exploiter. put that final nail in the coffin.

If that's what it takes

[Chai]

I actually noticed that because of this not only was the amount of people online more then usual, but that raids that nobody ran anymore were being run for loot again XD

there is also a perception that the exploiters are 12 year olds trying to screw everyone. I know for a fact that a lot of the best guilds and groups on my server took part in this "feature" these are the same people that TR over and over, buy shards, buy ottos boxes, pay for content, and have a vip sub.

go ahead turbine, ban EVERY exploiter. put that final nail in the coffin.

If they took part in it, they are not the best guilds. The best guilds have no need for such antics.

[zDragonz]

how? please expalin

It is counterfeiting. 100 astral shards becomes a means to cheat by buying falsely obtained items (duped items) with real money. Even though the shards were the same cost. They were used for an evil purpose. And now the asah is shut down so astral shards are not as valuable as they once were. They can't be traded anymore through a medium.

[Teh_Troll]

The exploit changes the value of astral shards, which are often puchased with real money

The economics don't work like that.

For Turbine to make money off of shards all they need is transactions taking them out of the system and the demand for more via cash-shop purchases. items NOT selling for thousands of shards makes Turbine no money. Items selling for 10s or 100s do when the buyers need to replenish their stock.

[Gauthaag]

The economics don't work like that.

For Turbine to make money off of shards all they need is transactions taking them out of the system and the demand for more via cash-shop purchases. items NOT selling for thousands of shards makes Turbine no make. Items selling for 10s or 100s do when the buyers need to replenish their stock.

thats it....hey, arent troll supposed to be trolling?:)

[kned225]

how? please expalin

I dont know if this exploit was big enough to cause a serious change, but the potential was there to cause many more shards to be added to the economy, and many more to be concentrated among a group, causing my shards to lose their bang for the buck

If i were a person who frequently bought shards and shopped the asah, it would be very bad for me

[Teh_Troll]

thats it....hey, arent troll supposed to be trolling?:)

The forums have already gone full-****** when it comes to trolling. If I keep up with my usual antics it'll go straight to plaid.

[Teh_Troll]

I dont know if this exploit was big enough to cause a serious change, but the potential was there to cause many more shards to be added to the economy, and many more to be concentrated among a group, causing my shards to lose their bang for the buck

If i were a person who frequently bought shards and shopped the asah, it would be very bad for me

Shard can ONLY BE ADDED TO THE ECONOMY if purchased with Turbine Points.

That's the only way it's possible.

Period.

Any shards added to the economy were from cash-shop transactions that made Turbine money. The 30% tax ensures that every transaction removed shards from the economy.

None of these shenanigans cost Turbine a dime nor did they devalue anyone's stache of shards.

[Charononus]

The forums have already gone full-****** when it comes to trolling. If I keep up with my usual antics it'll go straight to plaid.

trolling by being reasonable, I've now seen everything.

[Chaimberland]

Yeah. I totally don't have any moral objections to people getting stuff for themselves out of this.

If they use the exploit to trade stuff for Otto's Boxes or sell them for shards or plat, well then they are exploiting other people, and I really don't like that. There's a big difference between exploiting the game and exploiting others, in my book.

In my book there is no difference. You are obviously chaotic good were as I am..........well lets just say I like paladins.

[kned225]

Shard can ONLY BE ADDED TO THE ECONOMY if purchased with Turbine Points.

That's the only way it's possible.

Period.

Any shards added to the economy were from cash-shop transactions that made Turbine money. The 30% tax ensures that every transaction removed shards from the economy.

None of these shenanigans cost Turbine a dime nor did they devalue anyone's stache of shards.


Yes yes, all true. But more players with a big stache of shards means im paying more shards for good stuff

That's a loss of value to me

[burningwind]

Except that I saw someone link 500+ comms of heroism -- obviously duped. And upgraded armor is negligibly different from the base item. So I really don't know what you're talking about.



It's definitely NOT only on Sarlona. It's on almost every server.

Oh yeah, and check your spelling before posting.

well.. in that case... still.. i don't mind they dupe.. as long as i don't dupe am ok =P

[goblean]

In my book there is no difference. You are obviously chaotic good were as I am..........well lets just say I like paladins.

Hey, that Ransack bonus isn't going to get itself! We need Paladins too!

[Teh_Troll]

Yes yes, all true. But more players with a big stache of shards means im paying more shards for good stuff

That's a loss of value to me

Wrong.

[Teh_Troll]

We need Paladins too!

Wrong!

[DunkleNymphe]

well.. in that case... still.. i don't mind they dupe.. as long as i don't dupe am ok =P

Unless your account ID gets mistaken with an exploiter's account ID.

But of course, there is no such thing as judicial errors in a country that still enacts death penalty many times each year, so we can have complete faith in a company based there. ;)

[Charononus]

In my book there is no difference. You are obviously chaotic good were as I am..........well lets just say I like paladins.

I like to eat paladins, they're kind of sort of like cream filled doughnuts.

[burningwind]

Unless your account ID gets mistaken with an exploiter's account ID.

But of course, there is no such thing as judicial errors in a country that still enacts death penalty many times each year, so we can have complete faith in a company based there. ;)

not likely.. i got like 30 scale in my bag, among all character. and thats about it, i have not touch any scale for almost an year, so no one can accusing me of dupe scale or commendation =P

[DunkleNymphe]

not likely.. i got like 30 scale in my bag, among all character. and thats about it, i have not touch any scale for almost an year, so no one can accusing me of dupe scale or commendation =P

Again, if some number in the account ID gets mixed up, that doesnt matter. It won't be you nor your account, but they'll mistakenly think it was and then you get the hassle of having it cleared up. Which likely means... end of 2015.

[burningwind]

Again, if some number in the account ID gets mixed up, that doesnt matter. It won't be you nor your account, but they'll mistakenly think it was and then you get the hassle of having it cleared up. Which likely means... end of 2015.

well.. if that happen then i can finally quit ddo for good.. which might be a good thing.. =P i quit this game several times, but keep coming back to try out new build.. there seem to be no end to it..

[kned225]

Wrong.

Its quite possible for players to accumulate a pile of shards in this game without puchasing them. I think we agree on that part

This is usually done thru questing and selling valuable items. I think we agree on that too

As time goes on, prices on the asah have risen due to more players having a pile of shards to compete for the best items. When the asah first launched, you could buy named items for under 10shards

If this exploit allowed ppl to unfairly accumulate piles of shards, then that would further increase the competition for the best items, making an honest guy like me have to buy more to compete

Maybe i dont get it, but it makes sense to me

[Teh_Troll]

Maybe i dont get it . . .

Right.

[FlaviusMaximus]

The exploit changes the value of astral shards, which are often puchased with real money

If people used the exploit and didn't trade the items or put them up for sale, and if those same people wouldn't normally buy the items anyway, then it would have no effect on the value of astral shards. I do understand that the exploit wasn't being used that way. I just expressed that I wouldn't have much of a problem with people using the bug if they used it in such a way that it didn't affect others.

On the other hand, if the ASAH was negatively affected or players' purchasing power went up, I certainly wouldn't have a problem with that, but there are much more ethical ways to get rid of the ASAH. For example, a boycott, which should have happened from day 1.

The ASAH is around because of the players, not Turbine. That's the long and short of it.

[smeggy1384]

Shard can ONLY BE ADDED TO THE ECONOMY if purchased with Turbine Points.

That's the only way it's possible.

Period.

Any shards added to the economy were from cash-shop transactions that made Turbine money. The 30% tax ensures that every transaction removed shards from the economy.

None of these shenanigans cost Turbine a dime nor did they devalue anyone's stache of shards.

Do the shards no longer drop in Subterrane or whatever? I thought they used to prior to the astral auction, not that i ever looted any.

[Teh_Troll]

Do the shards no longer drop in Subterrane or whatever? I thought they used to prior to the astral auction, not that i ever looted any.

Different type of shards.

[smeggy1384]

Ah you're right, it was astral diamonds that later got converted to shards. Two helpful, non troll things in the same thread. You must be ill :P

Well mostly right.. the wiki says shards can still drop in chests.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Astral_Shard

Sources of Astral Shards

You can win them at the Daily Dice.
You can earn them by selling items on the Shard Exchange.
You can earn them by killing monsters from the Monster Manual (Volume III).
You can purchase them for Turbine Points from the DDO Store.
You can rarely find them in chests (confirmed on 23 June 2013)

[ToleroTouchedMe]

Shard can ONLY BE ADDED TO THE ECONOMY if purchased with Turbine Points.

That's the only way it's possible.

Period.

Any shards added to the economy were from cash-shop transactions that made Turbine money. The 30% tax ensures that every transaction removed shards from the economy.

None of these shenanigans cost Turbine a dime nor did they devalue anyone's stache of shards.

Nu-uh i got one in s chest the other day and it gave me 5... FIVE MAN THAT IS ALOT

[Gauthaag]

If people used the exploit and didn't trade the items or put them up for sale, and if those same people wouldn't normally buy the items anyway, then it would have no effect on the value of astral shards. I do understand that the exploit wasn't being used that way. I just expressed that I wouldn't have much of a problem with people using the bug if they used it in such a way that it didn't affect others.

On the other hand, if the ASAH was negatively affected or players' purchasing power went up, I certainly wouldn't have a problem with that, but there are much more ethical ways to get rid of the ASAH. For example, a boycott, which should have happened from day 1.

The ASAH is around because of the players, not Turbine. That's the long and short of it.

so pure technically - the most such damage to shard value was caused not by duppers as those dont produce shards but by those who gladly bought stacks of dupped ing or whatever - and dont tell they dont know something is wrong with all those stacks or items with dumped prices

[FlaviusMaximus]

Nu-uh i got one in s chest the other day and it gave me 5... FIVE MAN THAT IS ALOT

Wowwww. The cajones! This is the most banned forum account I've seen in a long time.

I'm kind of in awe.

[Loholt-UK]

I can only see one way this exploit can affect my game negatively. More Red Scales, Green Scales etc. means I can buy them cheaper so that's hardly detrimental to me (unless Turbine delete all of the duped items which I sincerely hope they do - obviously refunding AS where necessary and subtracting it from the accounts of the exploiters). However, if I'm trading for an item using, for example, Red Scales as currency then I am bidding against some people who value them less than I do as they duped a whole stack of them.

I knew about this exploit a few days ago and had ample opportunity to use it. Why didn't I? One word: Integrity. I'm sure that if I had used it I would have lost the respect of my guild mates and that's worth more to me than a stack of green scales. All of the arguments for using this exploit are void, we all know that duping is about as bad as exploits ever get, I saw Ultima Online go under due to a similar exploit and I loved that game as much as I love this one. Break your own toys, by all means, but I have a share in this one so don't break my toy!

[FlaviusMaximus]

so pure technically - the most such damage to shard value was caused not by duppers as those dont produce shards but by those who gladly bought stacks of dupped ing or whatever - and dont tell they dont know something is wrong with all those stacks or items with dumped prices

I don't know who had more of an effect on the shard economy. My comments were more about how the exploit could have hypothetically not affected the economy or others at all, if people had a code.

I personally have a moral objection to people getting things for free and then selling them to others. That's all.

Do some of the buyers know that they are buying duplicated goods? Probably, but it's unfair that some people should get things for free while others should have to pay for them, and I don't think it should take much of a moral compass to realize that.

[Arnhelm]

Let's just face the simple fact that some people will cheat at solitaire. Nothing new here, just sad excuses for human beings behaving more like animals than part of a community.

*goes back to playing and having fun*

[Snapdragoon]

honestly I really don't care about any form of exploit or bug. the problem I have is with turbine.

its their game, they could have put up a hotfix the moment they heard, what did they do? NOTHING, for days!

people want to get ahead, other people don't want to get left behind, turbine says nothing, then nothing, then more nothing. as time goes by people who were on the fence realize nothing is being done and they are being left behind. after this massive feature persists for days Turbine finally says something.

I don't blame anyone other then turbine for not taking the servers down or implementing some form of hotfix immediately.

[IronClan]

trolling by being reasonable, I've now seen everything.

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king :cool:

[FlaviusMaximus]

Let's just face the simple fact that some people will cheat at solitaire. Nothing new here, just sad excuses for human beings behaving more like animals than part of a community.

Well I'm seeing "animals" come up a lot in some threads to describe the exploiters, while I'm seeing "children" come up a lot in others. I like these, but I personally think we can do better.

[Snapdragoon]

funny and true story:

I have seen an exploiter give stuff away to new people for free, be super nice, help people with info, and be respectful and a joy to talk and quest with.

I have also seen holy then thou anti exploit advocates froth at the mouth with rage and bile demanding for perma bans, Pc destruction, and public execution.

anyone see the irony here?

I don't like exploits, and I think it should have never happened. I also don't blame people for taking part.

patch the exploit, be (a helluva lot) faster about preventing future exploits. and move on, its just a game.

[Qhualor]

Nu-uh i got one in s chest the other day and it gave me 5... FIVE MAN THAT IS ALOT

Off topic. How long before your forum name gets banned? Something tells me you have been around longer than October.

[LightBear]

Off topic. How long before your forum name gets banned? Something tells me you have been around longer than October.

Why would it be banned?

Maybe he/she really was touched by Tolero?

I think you're reading more into that name then what it says.

[Snapdragoon]

it could be "touched" as in "inspired by" :)

[Qhualor]

Why would it be banned?

Maybe he/she really was touched by Tolero?

I think you're reading more into that name then what it says.

Lol. OK.

[DrakHar]

it could be "touched" as in "inspired by" :)


I think it's fairy obvious that's what this person meant

[Gate-keeper]

"this what happened in the last game i played hackers ruined it for everyone dupin rares and gold and just anything to cheat there no extened maintenance there trying to catch the hacker and we pay for it so unless people don't let GM'S know of wrong doing's in the game it we ruin it and there we not be a DDO IT WELL BE GONE TO THE AMERICANS!!!!!!!"













For the "what is this? I don't even..." crowd: ==> http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/UniqueDragon

[Arnhelm]

Well I'm seeing "animals" come up a lot in some threads to describe the exploiters, while I'm seeing "children" come up a lot in others. I like these, but I personally think we can do better.
..but... I don't want to get banned on my Forum account. ;)

[brzytki]

Nu-uh i got one in s chest the other day and it gave me 5... FIVE MAN THAT IS ALOT

Hilarious M!

See ya in 2 weeks. :P

[Scrag]

OMG who are you in-game? Do you play on sarlona? Jerk hackin! If you are on sarlona, look me up, I've been looking for some old coh company. :)



"this what happened in the last game i played hackers ruined it for everyone dupin rares and gold and just anything to cheat there no extened maintenance there trying to catch the hacker and we pay for it so unless people don't let GM'S know of wrong doing's in the game it we ruin it and there we not be a DDO IT WELL BE GONE TO THE AMERICANS!!!!!!!"













For the "what is this? I don't even..." crowd: ==> http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/UniqueDragon

[Singular]

Shard can ONLY BE ADDED TO THE ECONOMY if purchased with Turbine Points.

That's the only way it's possible.

Period.

Any shards added to the economy were from cash-shop transactions that made Turbine money. The 30% tax ensures that every transaction removed shards from the economy.

None of these shenanigans cost Turbine a dime nor did they devalue anyone's stache of shards.

Astral diamonds still drop in chests - got one today - and you can get shards via the monster manuals. Not that they are a huge source of shards, but they do drop.

[gripshift22]

HOW CAN TURBINE AFFORD TO BAN PEOPLE??? im staring at the thelanis lfms right now,and there are 10... . across all levels... . NO GAME should have so few people in the "public grouping service" at ANY TIME. my friend is sitting next to me playing FF14(not that its an awsome game) and there are THOUSANDS of people looking for groups... im not for exploits and i dont use them myself... but turbine cant afford to alienate any of this already dwindling player base due(partially) to their own incompetence.

[httydragon]

Yup! officially for me hackers have ruined the game so I'm moving on to How to Train Your Dragon Game (http://www.schoolofdragons.com).

[Teh_Troll]

HOW CAN TURBINE AFFORD TO BAN PEOPLE??? im staring at the thelanis lfms right now,and there are 10... . across all levels... . NO GAME should have so few people in the "public grouping service" at ANY TIME. my friend is sitting next to me playing FF14(not that its an awsome game) and there are THOUSANDS of people looking for groups... im not for exploits and i dont use them myself... but turbine cant afford to alienate any of this already dwindling player base due(partially) to their own incompetence.

Not on your server, but mine is deader than dead.

[toaftoaf]

I think it's fairy obvious that's what this person meant

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://branham.org/content/articles/2009/20090503_TouchedByGod/TouchedByGodTitle.jpg&imgrefurl=http://branham.org/blogs/20090503_TouchedByGod&h=330&w=800&sz=66&tbnid=CJ3Timg9_vdM3M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=218&zoom=1&usg=__TFXuRpd5fumW5QGvB920yBfp9_4=&docid=BzHVRvkm8AfaVM&sa=X&ei=m6xYUt_fIqLbyQHJjIDgBA&ved=0CC0Q9QEwAQ

touched by god.. ok there is a hand there...

[Thlargir]

None of these shenanigans cost Turbine a dime nor did they devalue anyone's stache of shards.

Well you are half right. Turbine is not damaged in the short run by the distortion in the market due to a concentration of AS in the hands of exploiters. However, the value of a stack of shards in a non-exploiters hands will diminish. "Why?" you ask, because that concentration of shards means that prices of high end items will rise, and thus the value of pre-existing hordes of shards will go down (as in you won't be able to buy as much high-end stuff as before).

Now this does impact Turbine in the medium to long run as shard buyers (as opposed to shard traders) will be less likely to buy new shards as the stuff they want is more expensive.