Druid and Shield Defensive Stance

[Beethoven]

I forgot to test this out on Llamania and thought ask here before risk having to buy LRs in case it doesn't:

Anyone know if the Stalwart Defenders Shield Defensive Stance persists in Animal Form?

Meaning, if I take a Druid with 6 levels of fighter, pick up the Stalwart (Shield) Stance, cram a Sword and Board into his hands to get the Shield Defense Stance bonus and switch into wolf/bear form, do the bonuses of the stance remain?

Thanks.

[Havok.cry]

If no one has an answer by tonight, I'll roll up a PDK/druid and get you an answer. Can't do it till after work though.

[thegreatneil]

I forgot to test this out on Llamania and thought ask here before risk having to buy LRs in case it doesn't:

Anyone know if the Stalwart Defenders Shield Defensive Stance persists in Animal Form?

Meaning, if I take a Druid with 6 levels of fighter, pick up the Stalwart (Shield) Stance, cram a Sword and Board into his hands to get the Shield Defense Stance bonus and switch into wolf/bear form, do the bonuses of the stance remain?

Thanks.

Sorry, but no.

once you enter animal form, you are considered unarmed. (yes I have tested this)

You will lose all of your " I have a shield" bonuses.

[Beethoven]

If no one has an answer by tonight, I'll roll up a PDK/druid and get you an answer. Can't do it till after work though.

That's, uhm, a good idea and such an elegant solution to solving my problem. I should've/could've thought of that. Thanks and +1 for the intentions and the clever idea. I actually should be able and squeeze in a few minutes to roll a PDK up and test it. I'll update with my findings too if I get to it before tonight.

[legendkilleroll]

Works fine, the passive stalwart stance bonus and first 3 enhancements dont need a shield either (PRR, saves and threat) shield is rquired for last 3 though (HP, Con and str)

[Beethoven]

Actually, no it doesn't.

The general Stalwart Defense Stance and it's Tier 1/2/3 improvements (PRR/Threat/ Saves) do not require a shield and persist in animal form as expected.
The Greater Stalwart Defense Stance (which requires wielding a shield) and its Tier 4/5 improvements (Con/Str/% HP) do not persist even if you have a shield equip before switching into bear/wolf shape.

I just tested it out on a PDK (6 Ftr/9 Druid), with +6 Con and +20% HP I hit 411 HP (naked holding only a shield). Switching into wolf form got me back down to 290 HP with both Con and HP bonus vanishing while in wolf shape and being re-applied if switching out of wolf shape.

Thanks everyone for the input though.

[legendkilleroll]

Actually, no it doesn't.

The general Stalwart Defense Stance and it's Tier 1/2/3 improvements (PRR/Threat/ Saves) do not require a shield and persist in animal form as expected.
The Greater Stalwart Defense Stance (which requires wielding a shield) and its Tier 4/5 improvements (Con/Str/% HP) do not persist even if you have a shield equip before switching into bear/wolf shape.

I just tested it out on a PDK (6 Ftr/9 Druid), with +6 Con and +20% HP I hit 411 HP (naked holding only a shield). Switching into wolf form got me back down to 290 HP with both Con and HP bonus vanishing while in wolf shape and being re-applied if switching out of wolf shape.

Thanks everyone for the input though.

Thats good to know, i didnt get to the shield enhancements, thanks

[unbongwah]

The Greater Stalwart Defense Stance (which requires wielding a shield) and its Tier 4/5 improvements (Con/Str/% HP) do not persist even if you have a shield equip before switching into bear/wolf shape.
Bummer - so much for resurrecting my druid 13 / ftr 6 / wiz 1 bear tank build. :( Thanks for the info, though.

[SerPounce]

Well that sucks :(

2WF better be WAI. Otherwise wolves wont' be qualifying for any real fighting styles.

[Kalispa]

I forgot to test this out on Llamania and thought ask here before risk having to buy LRs in case it doesn't:

Anyone know if the Stalwart Defenders Shield Defensive Stance persists in Animal Form?

Meaning, if I take a Druid with 6 levels of fighter, pick up the Stalwart (Shield) Stance, cram a Sword and Board into his hands to get the Shield Defense Stance bonus and switch into wolf/bear form, do the bonuses of the stance remain?

Thanks.

Greater Stalwart will work if you have medium armor equipped, just tested!

[Krelar]

Greater Stalwart will work if you have medium armor equipped, just tested!

It does now, it didn't back in 2013 when this thread was active.