Unhappy Customer

[Sebastrd]

I just logged in to find that all of my Bound to Account rewards had their minimum levels increased. Historically, such items had a lower-than-normal minimum level, as if they had masterful craftsmanship on them. Now I have a bunch of lowbie clickies and other gear that are no longer useful because the levels went up.

I am not happy, Turbine. I sincerely hope in the first patch that this is rectified by adding masterful craftsmanship to those old items to restore them to their original minimum levels.

[Arnhelm]

Feather_of_Sun posted a thread a while back about this issue. Those items are at the new, corrected ML and will not be changing. My search-fu failed me in finding the thread, but I'm certain someone could dig it up if they tried harder than I did. I'm really not that interested since I'm about to rage-quit for the night over the bloody enhancement changes.

[HernandoCortez]

Feather_of_Sun posted a thread a while back about this issue. Those items are at the new, corrected ML and will not be changing. My search-fu failed me in finding the thread, but I'm certain someone could dig it up if they tried harder than I did. I'm really not that interested since I'm about to rage-quit for the night over the bloody enhancement changes.

Unfortunately, thats true. One thing though, already equipped items are still in effect until you remove them.

[Sebastrd]

WAI or not, it needs to be fixed.

[Lerincho]

WAI or not, it needs to be fixed.

it was fixed. the ML was too low before.

[enochiancub]

WAI or not, it needs to be fixed.

Seems like this was the fix.

[TheLegendOfAra]

WAI or not, it needs to be fixed.

I.. Uh... What?

[Sebastrd]

I don't know why this is so hard to understand, but the reason BtA rewards were so nice was because they had a lower than normal min level. They were nice twink gear - especially for TRs - and a cool reward for completing some of the P2P quests/chains. It's frustrating to have years worth of nice gear that I've been collecting suddenly become junk. I don't care that the min levels are "correct" now. The means to change them back exists (by applying masterful craftsmanship), and I'd like to see it done.

[gordgray]

I don't know why this is so hard to understand, but the reason BtA rewards were so nice was because they had a lower than normal min level. They were nice twink gear - especially for TRs - and a cool reward for completing some of the P2P quests/chains. It's frustrating to have years worth of nice gear that I've been collecting suddenly become junk. I don't care that the min levels are "correct" now. The means to change them back exists (by applying masterful craftsmanship), and I'd like to see it done.

I think what you want in one hand and what DDO wants in the other and see who wins.o.O

[Cauthey_No_CCInfo]

These changes are by design. I believe that the response from Turbine was something to the effect of "these are the MLs that we intended for these items, even if they were previously lower MLs before."

Basically, deal with it, and try to find something else. "Too bad." :(

[Graskitch]

Seems like this was the fix.

what bound to account items did this affect? are we talking about items from sharn syndicate, etc?

I really thought that those end reward items with no minimum level were a feature from the adventure pack, and that is why I got them.
what level are the feather falling boots now from sharn?

[Cauthey_No_CCInfo]

what bound to account items did this affect? are we talking about items from sharn syndicate, etc?

I really thought that those end reward items with no minimum level were a feature from the adventure pack, and that is why I got them.
what level are the feather falling boots now from sharn?

Bait and switch a long time in the making. These items are now ML5.

I guess we can ask Turbine for our TPs back from purchasing the Sharn Syndicate. *shrug*

[Biggles216]

If you can't get a character to level 5 without feather fall boots, then you are doing something wrong. :-P

[Cauthey_No_CCInfo]

If you can't get a character to level 5 without feather fall boots, then you are doing something wrong. :-P

That was the posed issue.

The issue is that people have come to count on the gear that they keep after performing planning/Sharn/crafting, etc. Turbine has yanked the football of the tee.

[Sebastrd]

The issue is that people have come to count on the gear that they keep after performing planning/Sharn/crafting, etc. Turbine has yanked the football of the tee.

Exactly.

[shibe]

Can the Op tell us specifically which items?

[Cauthey_No_CCInfo]

All BtA Sharn Syndicate quest reward items (Feather Falling, +5 to skills, etc.) were ML0 prior to U19.

They are now all ML5.

So, anyone that purchased Sharn Syndicate under the "ruse" of "hey, these are useful, low ML bound items!" has now been burned.

[Luxgolg]

I don't know why this is so hard to understand, but the reason BtA rewards were so nice was because they had a lower than normal min level. They were nice twink gear - especially for TRs - and a cool reward for completing some of the P2P quests/chains. It's frustrating to have years worth of nice gear that I've been collecting suddenly become junk. I don't care that the min levels are "correct" now. The means to change them back exists (by applying masterful craftsmanship), and I'd like to see it done.

No

[Gkar]

So, anyone that purchased Sharn Syndicate under the "ruse" of "hey, these are useful, low ML bound items!" has now been burned.

What you have to understand is Feather didn't design that gear so it needed to be Feather of the Sunned.

Instead of being slightly better than average gear in exchange for being BtA, it is now completely average gear that is worse than average in reality because it is BtA for no reason/with no benefit.

All BtA gear should automatically be L-2 and that would have solved both the BtA value issue and the auto-calculation issue.

[Grubbby]

What you have to understand is Feather didn't design that gear so it needed to be Feather of the Sunned.

Instead of being slightly better than average gear in exchange for being BtA, it is now completely average gear that is worse than average in reality because it is BtA for no reason/with no benefit.

All BtA gear should automatically be L-2 and that would have solved both the BtA value issue and the auto-calculation issue.

^^ This ^^ BTA is restricted, the L-2 was the compensation for the restriction, just like Race Required was restricted and had a lower ML to compensate for that.

[Ungood]

What you have to understand is Feather didn't design that gear so it needed to be Feather of the Sunned.

I gotta say, that as a former gamer and player of DDO, the guy really seems to have totally lost touch with what players value in loot after starting to work at Turbine, either that, or he never was in touch to start with.

[Impaqt]

I gotta say, that as a former gamer and player of DDO, the guy really seems to have totally lost touch with what players value in loot after starting to work at Turbine, either that, or he never was in touch to start with.

I find it to be the other way around.

Its the players that think they need "twink gear" to make it through levels 1-10 that crack me up.

Seriously.. If you need to twink to the max to level up through the marketplace, Maybe ddo isnt the game for you after all.

[SiliconScout]

They do still serve a good use, you can deconstruct them and then craft them into what you want with a mark and get the low ML again.

Honestly that is what I have use the gear for over a year now.

The change is a little strange though. No good reason for them to be BTA if they are pretty much the same as rangen loot of the same level other than to make the crafting for your stable cheaper and easier.

[bsquishwizzy]

I find it to be the other way around.

Its the players that think they need "twink gear" to make it through levels 1-10 that crack me up.

Seriously.. If you need to twink to the max to level up through the marketplace, Maybe ddo isnt the game for you after all.

I think a lot of it depends on the circles in which you run. You run with the average PUG, maybe not. You run with vets / zergers / farmers you need to twink.

I personally like farting around with twinking my toon at various level milestones. You're right - I don't need to. But it is an aspect of the game I find fun.

[Chai]

The issue here is time - the time spent acquiring/crafting the items. I see ALOT of justification of many different game mechanics and decisions made on these forums directly related to saving time, even paying to save time, etc...and the game even has time based limiting mechanics that can be paid to circumvent. This is the major reason why its hard to believe they cannot understand why players are upset when they made this change to gear all the way back to 7 years ago, as a blanket change that affects everything the same way.

Yay, all ML is even accross the board. The reason why time was consumed to farm alot of it in the first place is because of the lower ML characteristic itself.

[Chai]

I find it to be the other way around.

Its the players that think they need "twink gear" to make it through levels 1-10 that crack me up.

Seriously.. If you need to twink to the max to level up through the marketplace, Maybe ddo isnt the game for you after all.

Its more about time efficiency and economy of organization for me. When TRing I have entire gear change overs waiting for specific level milestones. It has nothing to do with "needing twink gear" and more to do with not wanting to spend time going back and forth to the bank when I can be in quests enjoying playing the game. Instead of having perfect munchkin style weapons for each level, I have a few sets of pretty good gear I access at specific level milestones.

Now my level 11 milestone gear change up just got borked to the armor being level 10 and the weapons being level 12-14, while the stat items are all still level 11. More time at the bank farting around with a slot here and a slot there = less time enjoying playing through quests, which is what I want to be doing.

[hit_fido]

All BtA Sharn Syndicate quest reward items (Feather Falling, +5 to skills, etc.) were ML0 prior to U19.

They are now all ML5.

While it may be little consolation, to be accurate: the BTA feather falling boots on my character are, oddly, still ML:1. The rest of it that I've seen is ML:3.

It is frustrating having stuff you liked changed out from under you. I didn't like it either.

But consider the relative value of this stuff in light of other recent changes. I had a couple ML:1 haste clickies and a ML:1 heroism clicky that were semi useful right up until, U17 or U18, when they changed haste, rage, heroism potions to ML:1. So those clickies were already worthless. The +2 stat gear was never that attractive, was it? I didn't keep any. I had +5 open lock/+5 disable items that were ml:1, but I'm not sure I ever really used them after all.

Biggest loss for me was a ML:1 5 shot shield clicky but again, it's still ML:3 now. I can live without for 2 levels. :cool:

If all that doesn't resonate with you, most players are going to accumulate enough xp tokens on free silver rolls to skip levels 1 and 2 anyway!

[Sebastrd]

No

I wasn't asking you.


They do still serve a good use, you can deconstruct them and then craft them into what you want with a mark and get the low ML again.

Honestly that is what I have use the gear for over a year now.

The change is a little strange though. No good reason for them to be BTA if they are pretty much the same as rangen loot of the same level other than to make the crafting for your stable cheaper and easier.

I realized this as well. Luckily, my crafting levels are close to max, so I can just rebuild a lot of the gear exactly as I want it using master craftsmanship shards. Unfortunately, clickies are not craftable, so those are basically gone for good unless something changes. Still not happy, but less livid that I was earlier.

[Ungood]

I believe others have explained why this is an issue for some. I myself only lost 1 item to this mess, a +1 Keen Greataxe of Pure Good that was ML2, it was a great starter weapon and would easy carry me from level 2 - 8, without needing to revisit my weapon collection. It was a bit painful for me that today it hit ML6, and that made it pretty much worthless, so after 2 lives and 3 loan outs, it was deconed.

It was the passing of an era sort to speak for me.

Now lets be fair, I don't need "Twink" gear, in fact none of us who enjoy TRing, do or did, as we all earned our first 20 the same way all the newbs have done, trial, error, and building from scratch. Truth be told, We could all make naked G.I.M.P.S and still play like champs to be honest, we could delete all our gear before we TR, or not even TR at all and then quickly become insanely bored with the end game and quit (After all, most of us that enjoy TRing, do so because we find the End game to be rather bland and lackluster). However, The whole point of TRing, and having a TR bank is not needing to farm new gear every (expletive) life.

That is why those of us who enjoy TRing farm gear to start with, it's not for this life, but for the next one, and perhaps the one after that. Or else what is the point to even have it. There are many games that do not have a TR mechanic, that have progressive gear that you have upgrade every few levels to keep up being the BiS, DDO was never like that, and that was a very endearing aspect of it.


I find it to be the other way around.

Its the players that think they need "twink gear" to make it through levels 1-10 that crack me up.

Seriously.. If you need to twink to the max to level up through the marketplace, Maybe ddo isnt the game for you after all.

Hummm. After reading this again, I am now wondering if perhaps it is the fact that Feather was a player that is preventing him from really looking at the larger picture and to reflect on how changes he makes affect the player base a whole and instead still is stuck on his myopic view of how he used to play the game and expects everyone else to adjust to that.

That could very well be the actual problem plaguing him.