Reminder: Please get this enhancement alpha stuff out of our builds

[HotMaarl]

I am expecting patch 18.2 sooner, rather than later...with the progress bar bug still live. And I *really* hope 18.2 also removes the alpha coding that slipped into update 18. We're all sick of our spell criticals being so bad.

I know you're working on it devs but please hurry. good luck and god speed!

[Forzah]

I am expecting patch 18.2 sooner, rather than later...with the progress bar bug still live. And I *really* hope 18.2 also removes the alpha coding that slipped into update 18. We're all sick of our spell criticals being so bad.

I know you're working on it devs but please hurry. good luck and god speed!

I don't think they will, unless it is very easy to revert to earlier code. Otherwise it takes much effort for a temporary fix that will be of no use when the enhancement pass comes out. They probably think it isn't worth the developer time it if the enhancement pass comes soon...

[Forzah]

I hate I can't edit my spelling errors.

[jalont]

I am expecting patch 18.2 sooner, rather than later...with the progress bar bug still live. And I *really* hope 18.2 also removes the alpha coding that slipped into update 18. We're all sick of our spell criticals being so bad.

I know you're working on it devs but please hurry. good luck and god speed!

While it would definitely be nice, it probably won't happen. All indicators are that the enhancement pass will be released with the expansion, so I doubt they'll take the time to fix it.

[Deadlock]

While it would definitely be nice, it probably won't happen. All indicators are that the enhancement pass will be released with the expansion, so I doubt they'll take the time to fix it.

Expansion will be released on 19th August which is only 9 weeks away.

The enhancement alpha preview finished a while back.

There is no word on an enhancement beta, or an enhancement preview on Lamania yet.

You really think they will go from alpha to live in 9 weeks? Absolutely no chance of that happening. Enhancement pass will be later in the year, my money is on November at the earliest.

[Teh_Troll]

I'd be happy if they'd just friggin fix Wail.

[Citzen_Gkar]

I don't think they will, unless it is very easy to revert to earlier code. Otherwise it takes much effort for a temporary fix that will be of no use when the enhancement pass comes out. They probably think it isn't worth the developer time it if the enhancement pass comes soon...

This is my guess as well. It's not a bug, its an early release (poor version control) so we are probably stuck with it.


I hate I can't edit my spelling errors.

Since the Turbine web team seems unable to get the most basic functions on this forum working, what you have to do is Right click the Edit button and open it in a new tab/window. Should work fine then.

[Citzen_Gkar]

You really think they will go from alpha to live in 9 weeks? Absolutely no chance of that happening. Enhancement pass will be later in the year, my money is on November at the earliest.

You must be new lol

Turbine it totally capable of pushing out unfinished, bug filled, poorly thought out content in a short amount of time.

[jalont]

Expansion will be released on 19th August which is only 9 weeks away.

The enhancement alpha preview finished a while back.

There is no word on an enhancement beta, or an enhancement preview on Lamania yet.

You really think they will go from alpha to live in 9 weeks? Absolutely no chance of that happening. Enhancement pass will be later in the year, my money is on November at the earliest.

Honestly? Yes. Enhancement beta will probably be when the entire expansion hits Lam. Further evidence is that there's parts of the Iconic Heroes that don't work and are said to work when the expansion goes live (probably because they're part of the enhancement pass). Further, a certain dev said for a fact that the enhancement pass was coming with the expansion in on a different forum. While this isn't proof, and could be false, it's very likely, and probably a safe bet.

[Flavilandile]

Further, a certain dev said for a fact that the enhancement pass was coming with the expansion in on a different forum. While this isn't proof, and could be false, it's very likely, and probably a safe bet.

Said Kobold ( as we are talking of a QA Kobold, not a Dev ) said that the enhancement pass will probably be included in the expansion.
That's not a certainty, but a very very hight probability. At least that's how I parse it in view that he also mentioned that Epic TR is probably not going to be included.

[jalont]

Said Kobold ( as we are talking of a QA Kobold, not a Dev ) said that the enhancement pass will probably be included in the expansion.
That's not a certainty, but a very very hight probability. At least that's how I parse it in view that he also mentioned that Epic TR is probably not going to be included.

I know it isn't a certainty. There is no certainty until something is officially announced. But I've seen enough evidence to make me think it's very probable.

[HAL]

Since the Turbine web team seems unable to get the most basic functions on this forum working, what you have to do is Right click the Edit button and open it in a new tab/window. Should work fine then.

While I'm not saying that there is nothing wrong with the forums, and I hate them also, I have had no problems editing my posts simply by clicking on the Edit Post button. Maybe it has something to do with what browser you're using? I'm using Chrome. (It should work with all major browsers, just offering information.)

[emtp]

Honestly? Further, a certain dev said for a fact that the enhancement pass was coming with the expansion in on a different forum. While this isn't proof, and could be false,

the last xpac was supposed to have two raid and the enhancement would be 3 per class and all raical would be done and we saw how well that went.

[GermanicusMaximus]

At least this thread wasn't a total waste of time. I got to see Matuse's post and update my sig. :D

But short of burning the entire proposed enhancement pass down to the ground, I'm not particularly optimistic about spell crits being fixed.

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

Said Kobold ( as we are talking of a QA Kobold, not a Dev ) said that the enhancement pass will probably be included in the expansion.
That's not a certainty, but a very very hight probability. At least that's how I parse it in view that he also mentioned that Epic TR is probably not going to be included.

Because in the industry it's rare to tell QA "yes, this will be fixed before release" and then release it as-is anyway.

And certainly that's never happened here before.

[Gkar]

While I'm not saying that there is nothing wrong with the forums, and I hate them also, I have had no problems editing my posts simply by clicking on the Edit Post button. Maybe it has something to do with what browser you're using? I'm using Chrome. (It should work with all major browsers, just offering information.)

I generally use Chrome, but last I tried it was reporting the forums for double headers and refusing to load them.

It has been reported by many people, that's why I know the solution, it was reported in several threads.

[Hambo]

I know it isn't a certainty. There is no certainty until something is officially announced. But I've seen enough evidence to make me think it's very probable.There's no certainty until it hits live and doesn't work.

[1Soulless1]

Expansion will be released on 19th August which is only 9 weeks away.

The enhancement alpha preview finished a while back.

There is no word on an enhancement beta, or an enhancement preview on Lamania yet.

You really think they will go from alpha to live in 9 weeks? Absolutely no chance of that happening. Enhancement pass will be later in the year, my money is on November at the earliest.


Hi New Guy!, when it hits lam please refer back to this post and link it right or wrong.

All the suggestions that people on lama gave for the alpha pass will be ignored. The graphical and UI errors will still be there. The missing 3rd pre's will not be there. The 'Beta' pass will be almost a carbon copy of the alpha pass on lama,maybe a few ap points will be tweaked ( most probley not). People will 'preview' on lama and the dev's will ask for suggestions/bug reports which will be acknowledged but not acted apon.

It will go to live almost as a carbon copy for what was on lama. If there is a crippling bug (if lol ok ok when) there will be a patch in a week or two for it. If there is something that benefits players the servers will be taken down immediately to fix it.

Jedi's everywhere will sense a disturbance in the force like thousands of DDO nerds raging at once.

[PermaBanned]

Perhaps Turbine is more cunning than we give them credit for. I wasn't able to get lama loaded to try the alpha myself, but the wom I've received says total crit dmg takes a hit. Proc chance gets a slight buff, but the multipliers are reduced.

Maybe this "oops" release that has devastated our casters crits has a purpose. Now, when the pass (fully) hits live, our reduced total potential will still be an improvement over the current situation.

[Nestroy]

Expansion will be released on 19th August which is only 9 weeks away.

The enhancement alpha preview finished a while back.

There is no word on an enhancement beta, or an enhancement preview on Lamania yet.

You really think they will go from alpha to live in 9 weeks? Absolutely no chance of that happening. Enhancement pass will be later in the year, my money is on November at the earliest.

They already did this, with looots of bugs going live that were well documented on Lam. So I perfectly well have no hope for Turbine to do the right thing this time and to postpone the enhancement pass introduction. Didn´t you know the alfa enhancement pass on Lam already was the beta?

[Deadlock]

You must be new lol

Turbine it totally capable of pushing out unfinished, bug filled, poorly thought out content in a short amount of time.

7 years from EU servers to US servers. Maybe it's the years of utter nothingness on the EU servers that gives me a different perspective on how well things are on the US servers? Since joining the US servers, I'd say that I've played a bit (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/416018-Quijonn-s-40th-life).

So probably a bit more experience than most and in RL I run major development companies, so have some relevant industry knowledge to throw into the mix both from a hands-on developer and top executive level :)

Maybe I'm just not as cynical as you? And for the record, I'm Scottish so that is seriously saying something :)

[Deadlock]

Hi New Guy!, when it hits lam please refer back to this post and link it right or wrong.

All the suggestions that people on lama gave for the alpha pass will be ignored. The graphical and UI errors will still be there. The missing 3rd pre's will not be there. The 'Beta' pass will be almost a carbon copy of the alpha pass on lama,maybe a few ap points will be tweaked ( most probley not). People will 'preview' on lama and the dev's will ask for suggestions/bug reports which will be acknowledged but not acted apon.

It will go to live almost as a carbon copy for what was on lama. If there is a crippling bug (if lol ok ok when) there will be a patch in a week or two for it. If there is something that benefits players the servers will be taken down immediately to fix it.

Jedi's everywhere will sense a disturbance in the force like thousands of DDO nerds raging at once.

Wow, another noob imitating someone else's post. See above noob.

[PermaBanned]

7 years from EU servers to US servers.

And just what in all that time, and especially the last year, has led you to believe that they won't "go from alpha to live in 9 weeks." Is it all the finely polished, quality tested "upgrades" and content that's been released? Especially you, with your "more experience than most" and "relevant industry knowledge" as both "a hands-on developer and top executive" should be able to see the steadily increasing occurrences of "ready or not, here it comes!" That's been going on.

Btw, I can claim to be just as experienced as you, even 10 times more so... But if I did and then pointed out that in spite of all my relevant knowledge and experience I couldn't see developing trends... I would seem to be full of ****... Just sayin' ;)

[Ddodoesitagain]

I hate I can't edit my spelling errors.

right click the edit post button and select open in new tab and you should be able to edit your post that way.

[Deadlock]

And just what in all that time, and especially the last year, has led you to believe that they won't "go from alpha to live in 9 weeks." Is it all the finely polished, quality tested "upgrades" and content that's been released? Especially you, with your "more experience than most" and "relevant industry knowledge" as both "a hands-on developer and top executive" should be able to see the steadily increasing occurrences of "ready or not, here it comes!" That's been going on.

Btw, I can claim to be just as experienced as you, even 10 times more so... But if I did and then pointed out that in spite of all my relevant knowledge and experience I couldn't see developing trends... I would seem to be full of ****... Just sayin' ;)

I've read a lot of negative garbage from a lot of people on these forums that leaves me in no doubt that they are indeed full of ****. I'm not claiming to be the most experienced or best qualified person to comment on these things, but I am experienced and qualified enough to have more than an automatic negative opinion :)

There is absolutely no doubt that Turbine have a history of leaving unfinished projects scattered around the game. It seems that their focus of attention gets dragged from one thing to another and they never return to complete things even when they are made aware of them. If you need an example of this, why is it that they have never implemented Greensteel Handwraps? Whatever the technical challenges were in making these available, they've had 4 years to overcome.

That's not something to blame the developers or the forum folks for, that's something to blame their management for. There are bugs in the game, but no bug is unsolvable. I don't subscribe to the attitude that all software is inherently buggy - all bugs are fixable, and all it takes is time, effort, a will to correct them and a budget to make it happen. And I'm not talking about OS or hardware issues beyond your control, I'm talking about bugs that are under the scope of work that you can control. I laugh at the people who cried about the lack of additional content with U18 and I have said more than once that I would be happy if U18.2 and U18.3 are just bug fixes and quality of life fixes (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/417151-Quality-of-Life-Fixes) and maybe fill in some of the gaps that we go to the effort of notifying them of (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/416406-Monster-Manual-Known-Issues). You can have fixes or you can have new content, with a finite development resource you can't have it all. Turbine have commercial considerations and need to give their marketing people something to crow about. I personally would like to see them get the next Expansion out, and then concentrate their efforts on fixing things and delivering the quality of life fixes that we want. Instead of getting their marketing people to be pushing whatever the next new shiny toy is, get them to push the polished, quality and content rich game that we come here to play.

So what it comes down to is a matter of faith rather than fact because none of us have the insight behind the curtain at Turbine to actually know all the facts. Do you believe that Turbine are trying to improve things or that they don't care about the quality of the work they produce? I choose to believe that with the extended preview period they have said the enhancement pass will have, and the surveys that they have taken that they are trying to improve things. In business, it's a dangerous path to ask for customer feedback and then willfully ignore it and carry on regardless, you are better off not asking for it in the first place. I don't think that anyone at Turbine can be so naive that they don't know this. So while you will always have a section of the forumites who decry anything that Turbine do as some Machiavellian master plan to ruin their life, I give them credit where it's due and will continue to try and be constructively critical while pushing them for better quality in their work and their processes.

So no, I don't believe that Turbine will push the enhancements live without a beta and a preview period both with surveys and more feedback.