Best place for Envenomed Blade pieces?

[~IUsedToBeMagicalDad]

My rogue is about to hit 20, and I would like to get her an Epic Envenomed Blade. What is the best way to farm for the Seal/Shard - LoD (w/ altar chest), 1st chest of Servants, Spinner? And does EN/EH affect drop levels at all?

Thanks!

[Loromir]

My rogue is about to hit 20, and I would like to get her an Epic Envenomed Blade. What is the best way to farm for the Seal/Shard - LoD (w/ altar chest), 1st chest of Servants, Spinner? And does EN/EH affect drop levels at all?

Thanks!

It's my understanding that Shards and/or seals don't drop on Ehard or Eelite...so your gonna be stuck farming Enormal.

[~NiborRis]

It's my understanding that Shards and/or seals don't drop on Ehard or Eelite...so your gonna be stuck farming Enormal.

That was my experience - EN only for shards/seals. Given that you're going to be ransacking these chests repeatedly, your best bet is to just ransack the entire chain of 3 quests on every character you have until you get the drops.

[~IUsedToBeMagicalDad]

That was my experience - EN only for shards/seals. Given that you're going to be ransacking these chests repeatedly, your best bet is to just ransack the entire chain of 3 quests on every character you have until you get the drops.

Roger that. However, can the seal/shard for that item drop in ANY chest in the chain? Including optionals (i.e. does it make sense to do any optionals) ?

[~cdr1]

I used to do a lot of Web chain farming - 6 ransacks per week. The above posters are mistaken.

Shards drop on any difficulty in LoD/SotO. Seals only drop on EN in LoD/SotO.

Seals drop in any chest where a named item drops on heroic - if you're getting a named item in a chest you know the chest is using the heroic table and won't get seals from it on the difficulty you're running.

Both seals and shards drop on any difficulty in Spinner.

EH is about double/+2% the rate of EN, EE is about +50%/+2% the rate of EH.

Here's Shade's thread, mostly right but some info is outdated: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/384871-U13-(Web-of-Chaos)-Seal-Shard-Scroll-Token-drop-locations-guide

Personally, I would give up on getting any specific Web chain item anytime soon - epic Web items are by far the most frustrating non-raid epic items to acquire. Your rogue will hit 25 long before you farm up an epic Envenomed.

[~IUsedToBeMagicalDad]

I used to do a lot of Web chain farming - 6 ransacks per week. The above posters are mistaken.

Shards drop on any difficulty in LoD/SotO. Seals only drop on EN in LoD/SotO.

Seals drop in any chest where a named item drops on heroic - if you're getting a named item in a chest you know the chest is using the heroic table and won't get seals from it on the difficulty you're running.

Both seals and shards drop on any difficulty in Spinner.

EH is about double/+2% the rate of EN, EE is about +50%/+2% the rate of EH.

Here's Shade's thread, mostly right but some info is outdated: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/384871-U13-(Web-of-Chaos)-Seal-Shard-Scroll-Token-drop-locations-guide

Personally, I would give up on getting any specific Web chain item anytime soon - epic Web items are by far the most frustrating non-raid epic items to acquire. Your rogue will hit 25 long before you farm up an epic Envenomed.

Nice - thank you! So plan is to run LoD EN (all optionals) for seals, and Servants EH (barrier opt only) for shards.

[~cdr1]

Nice - thank you! So plan is to run LoD EN (all optionals) for seals, and Servants EH (barrier opt only) for shards.

You can also run Spinner, of course.

The locked chest at the start of Servants is a quick EN seal farm.

Feather promised to remove the epic token from the barrier chest because he's like that. If he did, he might've also removed the shards. I haven't checked since U17, I don't think.

You're going to get a reality check pretty quick though on how low the droprate is.

[~NiborRis]

I can confirm that as of the latest update/patch/downtime whatever, the barrier chest still drops tokens/fragments. It may get fixed at some point, or Feather may have realized after looking at it that it's coded as an "end chest" for a reason and left it alone. We never really heard about it again after he said that was a bug and he'd fix it.

[~IUsedToBeMagicalDad]

You can also run Spinner, of course.

Weil, yes, I could, but I despise that quest.


The locked chest at the start of Servants is a quick EN seal farm.

I've actually farmed that one repeatedly - it has a high enough DC that it's a pain to knock, and I have no epic rogue/arti at the moment. Plus, I think the drop rate there is even lower than the other chests.



You're going to get a reality check pretty quick though on how low the droprate is.

That, unfortunately, I am well aware of - I have run those quests dozens of times and have only a Epic Templar's Bulwark and a Epic Silver Flame Bow to show for it.

[~cdr1]

I've actually farmed that one repeatedly - it has a high enough DC that it's a pain to knock, and I have no epic rogue/arti at the moment. Plus, I think the drop rate there is even lower than the other chests.


Any epic rogue hire can open it without difficulty.

[crazycaren]

Seals only drop on EN in LoD/SotO.

Seals drop in any chest where a named item drops on heroic - if you're getting a named item in a chest you know the chest is using the heroic table and won't get seals from it on the difficulty you're running.



Is this comment still accurate? I ran LoD on epic normal and got the envenomed blade in the end chest - that would suggest seals only drop in spinner?

[Satyriasys]

Is this comment still accurate? I ran LoD on epic normal and got the envenomed blade in the end chest - that would suggest seals only drop in spinner?


Update 18 changed the drops a bit. The release notes say;

Seals can be found in the Epic Chests at the end of all the quests.
Shards in this quest chain are now found in the Epic Chest at the end of the capstone quest The Spinner of Shadows.

They have supposedly fixed this chain so the harder difficulties have increased drop rates but I cannot confirm if this has indeed been fixed.

[ValenGodspeed]

Is this comment still accurate? I ran LoD on epic normal and got the envenomed blade in the end chest - that would suggest seals only drop in spinner?


I have been doing this a bit since its soloable and i would like to dual wield them shortswords on my monk.
Seal only drop out of end chests and do so from all three quests in the series.
Shards only drop from Spinner.

one small bit of information that I didnt realize untill it happened. I soloed Spinner EH on my Arti - and to my pleasant surprise I got both at seal and a shard from the chest so it would seem they are on different rolls to drop in the chest.

Hope that cleared it up.

[Robai]

Seals drop in end chest of LoD/SoO/Spinner (not sure about Beyond the Rift).
Seals no longer drop in optional chests.
Shards drop ONLY in Spinner.
Drow optional in SoO still drops fragments, but no longer drop shards.

[mna]

That was my experience - EN only for shards/seals. Given that you're going to be ransacking these chests repeatedly, your best bet is to just ransack the entire chain of 3 quests on every character you have until you get the drops.

I believe that part is outdated, I ended up getting both a base Envenomed Blade (my third one) and a seal for it in EE LoD, but... is the location information still current?

Still need the scroll and shard, after all... or two of those and a second seal maybe...

[Shorlong]

Are we talking JUST the envenomed blade? Because I pulled the seal for the Rakshasa Hide yesterday doing LoD EH.

[axel15810]

Seals definitely drop in EH/EE LoD. I've been seeing seals lately.

[bsquishwizzy]

Dumb question here, but I'm looking to epic-ize a Golden Guile. Same basic advice?

I run those quests fairly frequently. I've yet to get a seal or a shard drop.

[falkieriartfeilan]

Is this comment still accurate? I ran LoD on epic normal and got the envenomed blade in the end chest - that would suggest seals only drop in spinner?

i just ran lod EN got the blade and the seal in the same chest

[LazarusPossum]

"You could run Spinner, of course" -- cdr1



Weil, yes, I could, but I despise that quest.


In case you might not know, that quest is soooo much easier when players keep their shards in their pockets until they are all gathered, and then light the torches all at once.

[Luxgolg]

"You could run Spinner, of course" -- cdr1

In case you might not know, that quest is soooo much easier when players keep their shards in their pockets until they are all gathered, and then light the torches all at once.

Just found this out this week while soloing it Hard for BB and flagging. Gather the 1st shard, drag to hotbar to get count and just kill until you have all that you need. SOOO much faster.

[brian14]

Just found this out this week while soloing it Hard for BB and flagging. Gather the 1st shard, drag to hotbar to get count and just kill until you have all that you need. SOOO much faster.
Why exactly is it faster? Spinner does not come back?

[Luxgolg]

Why exactly is it faster? Spinner does not come back?

Kill spiders, collect shards. Attack Spinner, fend off attack, keep killing spiders. Light ALL the pillars in one shot, end fight. Solo Heroic Normal/Hard 16-18 Arty with dog and FvS hire was 15-20 mins. I'm also wondering where the saga guy went from beside the WW for that chain set

[brian14]

Kill spiders, collect shards. Attack Spinner, fend off attack, keep killing spiders. Light ALL the pillars in one shot, end fight. Solo Heroic Normal/Hard 16-18 Arty with dog and FvS hire was 15-20 mins. I'm also wondering where the saga guy went from beside the WW for that chain set
That really does not answer my question -- why is it any faster than lighting up pillars as you go along?

[slarden]

Why exactly is it faster? Spinner does not come back?

Supposedly on EE it makes more demons spawn if you start lighting the pillars before you are ready to finish. I saw the demons keep spawning even with the "light them all at the end" strategy so I am not entirely convinced.

On EH I don't think the demons spawn - if so at a much slower rate.

[Bargol]

I ran spinner on epic hard solo on my bard last week. I tried the lighting everything at the end, but demons still kept respawning when I killed them so not sure if this tactic really works for EH.

[Luxgolg]

That really does not answer my question -- why is it any faster than lighting up pillars as you go along?

Less trash spawns.

[LazarusPossum]

I ran spinner on epic hard solo on my bard last week. I tried the lighting everything at the end, but demons still kept respawning when I killed them so not sure if this tactic really works for EH.

They do respawn, but it's really much less irritating than if you light torches one at a time. When you light all at the same time, there's only a small amount of trash to deal with.

[Gremmlynn]

They do respawn, but it's really much less irritating than if you light torches one at a time. When you light all at the same time, there's only a small amount of trash to deal with.I generally kill the first 7, beat spinner till she spawns 9 more, kill those beat spinner till she goes away, kill hezzies till she comes back, beat spinner till she spawns 9 more , kill them, beat spinner till she goes away, light 6 torches, defend flame, kill last 11 flame eaters, light last 3 torches.

I've never seen the amount of trash being different until after defending the flame and the flame eaters are in constant respawn at that point so no need to do more than try to avoid the spinner until you get the last few crystals at that point.

[LazarusPossum]

I've never seen the amount of trash being different until after defending the flame and the flame eaters are in constant respawn at that point so no need to do more than try to avoid the spinner until you get the last few crystals at that point.

Sorry, I should clarify. I consider Flame Eaters as a necessary objective, while I generally define "unnecessary" kills (due to spawns that somebody triggered), like hezzies and reavers, etc., as trash, because nobody likes taking out the trash.

[NaturalHazard]

That really does not answer my question -- why is it any faster than lighting up pillars as you go along?

less spawns, its how we normally do it on elite.

[LightBear]

Personally, I would give up on getting any specific Web chain item anytime soon - epic Web items are by far the most frustrating non-raid epic items to acquire. Your rogue will hit 25 long before you farm up an epic Envenomed.

Not just those shards/seals are frustrating to acquire.
I've given up all hopes to getting any specific item at all (and kinda freak out when I do see that shard of SoS drop ;) ).
It's from an outdated system where the max level cap was the endgame and people needed to be kept busy.
Nowadays TR-ing is the endgame and the defs are doing a good job with reinventing the tr-system.
This does have the side effect that you can now go through lives without getting the items you've set your hopes on acquiring.
(And thus feeling a bit gimped out.)
On a more brighter side of things, eventually you'll wind up with a sack full of shards and seals and you'll learn that not all that you hope for to get is really all that necessary.