The One Fund Memorial Ribbon is now available!

[Cordovan]

Click here (http://www.ddo.com/en/news/one-fund-memorial-ribbon) for details about The One Fund Memorial Ribbon, available for a limited time in-game. Thanks!

[valewalker]

Click here (http://www.ddo.com/en/news/one-fund-memorial-ribbon) for details about The One Fund Memorial Ribbon, available for a limited time in-game. Thanks!

Is this the reason for the update yesterday? i.e. the 'effort we're going to talk about later this week', or is there still yet more news to come about this update?

Thanks!

[Cordovan]

Is this the reason for the update yesterday? i.e. the 'effort we're going to talk about later this week', or is there still yet more news to come about this update?

Thanks!

Yes, this is what was enabled during yesterday's downtime.

[~Phemt]

I don't even live in the usa but this is really showing the attention of the company for the people in its surroundings.

Thumbs up Turbine, seriously.

https://www.ddo.com/sites/default/files/onefund_header_ddo.png

[~eonone]

You may want to fix a typo.

"Raise awareness of the One Fun Charity..." should be fixed as soon as possible to Fund.

[seebs]

Yes, this is what was enabled during yesterday's downtime.

I know you guys are getting the usual run of complaints from people who hate reminders that MMO devs are people who have experiences outside the game, but me, I appreciate the human involvement. Thanks for being willing to make a game that's a personal creation, not just what focus groups say the player base will pay for.

[~Lorien_]

Would you care to clarify this a bit? We are to show support for this fund by BUYING this ribbon in game for about $1. Are those proceeds going to the charity or is Turbine making money off of this "effort" under the disguise of charity?

[UurlockYgmeov]

Even though I applaud your involvement in community activism I play this game to get away from the real world - I don't need a reminder about how bad the terrorists (politicians) and the morons (terrorists) have made the world for us sheep.

Please remove and let people in the real world worry about the real world. I don't want a reminder about all the horrific things I am escaping from everytime I log into the game or walk by the bridge.

When I first saw it yesterday - I had a bad feeling in the back of my heart - as in 'oh great' the real world has crept in.

Why not add terrorist bombings? and airships crashing to the ground???

I don't want to be reminded about real life when I am playing in a fantasy world. I just want to not be in real life.

Let the flaming begin... but I have spoken what I feel.

Plus if the entire patch was about this (which it seems to have been) - no comment.

[~Absolution1]

Would you care to clarify this a bit? We are to show support for this fund by BUYING this ribbon in game for about $1. Are those proceeds going to the charity or is Turbine making money off of this "effort" under the disguise of charity?

Why don't you try the link before you come unglued.


To raise awareness for The One Fund, the DDO team has created The One Fund Memorial Ribbon which is available for a limited time in the DDO Store. Players can enter the coupon code ‘Boston’ to receive up to ten free ribbons per account to show their solidarity with the victims of the Boston Marathon.

[seebs]

Even though I applaud your involvement in community activism I play this game to get away from the real world

Maybe, but... it's a creative effort, at some level, and that means it's gonna reflect the lives of the creators, and the things that are important to them.

I just don't see the problem with Turbine being human.

[Cordovan]

Just to assist those who don't want to click the link, if you use the coupon code BOSTON you can get this ribbon for free, 10/Account.

[UurlockYgmeov]

Maybe, but... it's a creative effort, at some level, and that means it's gonna reflect the lives of the creators, and the things that are important to them.

I just don't see the problem with Turbine being human.

because you drive those who don't want to be reminded about reality away from game.

because now you have opened the flood gates for lawsuits (why this one, and not that one)

because it is discriminatory - where is the memorial for the texas fertilizer explosion town? where how many more died?

Turbine is not human. It is a entity - without a soul, just there for profit (fact). The employee's of Turbine are the ones that are human and have souls. I have no issues with Humans being Human - just not in the place I go to escape humanity.

I applaud their sense of civic duty just keep it out of our fantasy world.

[~Lorien_]

Just to assist those who don't want to click the link, if you use the coupon code BOSTON you can get this ribbon for free, 10/Account.

Did you read the posts before you deleted them?

That only works for someone IN THIS THREAD

Why aren't the just on sale for 1TP?

Why isn't the coupon code advertised in the store & on the loading splash screen?

If you keep the code buried one can only assume you don't want the majority of the population, who never come to the forums, to find it.

Classy, very classy.

[~Ovrad-Kab]

Just to assist those who don't want to click the link, if you use the coupon code BOSTON you can get this ribbon for free, 10/Account.

But what about those that DON'T use the coupon? Is the equivalent of 100 TP (about 1$) given to charity? It seems like you guys would've mentioned it if it was... and if it's not, that's kinda depressing...

[Cordovan]

Did you read the posts before you deleted them?

That only works for someone IN THIS THREAD

Why aren't the just on sale for 1TP?

Why isn't the coupon code advertised in the store & on the loading splash screen?

If you keep the code buried one can only assume you don't want the majority of the population, who never come to the forums, to find it.

Classy, very classy.

We clearly make the code available through numerous channels, although I'd be happy to also add it to the launcher. The item is not on sale for 1 TP due to historical precedence in which putting something on sale for that amount has caused technical issues with the DDO Store. We want people to use the free coupons, which is why we have worked extensively to get the coupon code out to the public. Feel free to assist us by spreading the word of it to your friends and guildies as well.

[~Lorien_]

Cordovan, sorry, I tried to edit out my message above since it is something you clearly don't want to talk about but the edit button just sat their spinning until it timed out...twice :S

[Wetspot]

If its a technical limitation of the store ( not offering them free), what about putting the coupon in the ribbons description in the store?

[phillymiket]

We clearly make the code available through numerous channels, although I'd be happy to also add it to the launcher. The item is not on sale for 1 TP due to historical precedence in which putting something on sale for that amount has caused technical issues with the DDO Store. We want people to use the free coupons, which is why we have worked extensively to get the coupon code out to the public. Feel free to assist us by spreading the word of it to your friends and guildies as well.

But where did my 100 TP go?

[~Lorien_]

We clearly make the code available through numerous channels, although I'd be happy to also add it to the launcher. The item is not on sale for 1 TP due to historical precedence in which putting something on sale for that amount has caused technical issues with the DDO Store. We want people to use the free coupons, which is why we have worked extensively to get the coupon code out to the public. Feel free to assist us by spreading the word of it to your friends and guildies as well.

I remember the 1TP issue... (although I thought it was 0 TP), but you could have used whatever your lower limit in the store is. Or put it in for 100TP with a 99% sale. As it stands, this creates an unfortunate possibility of Turbine (apparently unintentionally from your comments) profiting on the bombing.

I'm sorry I reacted so strongly but I have seen too many companies taking advantage of things like this to increase their bottom line while pretending to be good corporate citizens and that's how things come off with the current pricing, at least to me :S

[~Lorien_]

But where did my 100 TP go?

And there is an example of $1 Turbine made off the bombing.

See my point Jerry?

[Cordovan]

In regards to the Store item description: Yes, it would have been nice to put the coupon code in there. LOTRO was able to get it in in time, but due to various technicalities, DDO didn't get it in in time for Monday's maintenance. So, we opted to instead put the description in the article and promote it through our public channels.

[Memnir]

...
I spent 100 points by hitting Enter by accident before putting in the code.
Where will the monetary value of those points wind up?


Why make it a limited use coupon?
Hell... Why not include the existence of the coupon in the item description itself? I mean, you made sure to say it was unlimited uses and could be traded, so why not negate any chance Turbine might be seen as profiteering off of this tragedy.


This whole affair is just sloppy, Jerry. I know it's not directly your fault - but that doesn't make it any less sloppy.

[Memnir]

So, we opted to instead put the description in the article and promote it through our public channels.And yet by your own admission, only a fraction of the total number of players uses public channels or the forums or Facebook or etc...


Why not get in there and make some Global Announcements in the game itself at the very least?


sloppy work.

[~Absolution1]

I am curious as to what happens to the monetary value of the 100tp?

[phillymiket]

In regards to the Store item description: Yes, it would have been nice to put the coupon code in there. LOTRO was able to get it in in time, but due to various technicalities, DDO didn't get it in in time for Monday's maintenance. So, we opted to instead put the description in the article and promote it through our public channels.

I understand.

But can you all answer the question where my 100 TP went?

There is a trust issue when you collect money at the check-out of a supermarket or whatever that the money is going to the cause indicated.

I really, really am considering forwarding this issue to CNN, Fox news, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, AP and whoever else I can think of without at least an answer and will be awaiting a response between now and tomorrow.

I suggest anyone else outraged by the possibility that these ribbons go to Turbine profit do the same.

Either clairify where the money goes or somebody needs to make some phone calls and hastily set up a fund where-by you will pass a dollar and match a dollar to The One Fund for each ribbon sold and quick before you find yourself potentially with the spotlight of an angry nation upon you.

[~Taeb]

Even though I applaud your involvement in community activism I play this game to get away from the real world - I don't need a reminder about how bad the terrorists (politicians) and the morons (terrorists) have made the world for us sheep.

Please remove and let people in the real world worry about the real world. I don't want a reminder about all the horrific things I am escaping from everytime I log into the game or walk by the bridge.

When I first saw it yesterday - I had a bad feeling in the back of my heart - as in 'oh great' the real world has crept in.

Why not add terrorist bombings? and airships crashing to the ground???

I don't want to be reminded about real life when I am playing in a fantasy world. I just want to not be in real life.

Let the flaming begin... but I have spoken what I feel.

Plus if the entire patch was about this (which it seems to have been) - no comment.

meh call it what you want, but i think this is great a company is showing its feelings in game that they wont stand for it. its free too so not sure why you're getting so bent out of shape. companies do show compassion all the time even though your mind is so wrapped in the corporate nature. Comcast for example which i hate do help people more often then you think in various charities. so while i might hate them as a company they do show some compassion. would i say it fixes everything? hell no. does it make them human. yes.

[Cordovan]

And yet by your own admission, only a fraction of the total number of players uses public channels or the forums or Facebook or etc...



Not to go off-topic, but I have never said such a thing, and if it was said by someone else, it would be an inaccurate statement.

To address a couple of folks' concerns: We are making a donation to The One Fund. If you choose not to use a coupon for the item, that purchase does not directly affect the donation we're making, which is why we were careful not to state it as such in our description of the effort. Initially, that was the plan, but various legal and technical hurdles prevented us from going that route. Instead, we're simply making a donation at the corporate level to the fund. Details will be forthcoming when it's all worked out.

[Memnir]

Not to go off-topic, but I have never said such a thing, and if it was said by someone else, it would be an inaccurate statement.I used the phrase "your own admission" in a corporate sense.... and yes, it has been said more then once by Turbine employees on the forums. I'd dig em up, but the Search function is a sewer at the moment.

[~KrelarVersion2]

I used the phrase "your own admission" in a corporate sense.... and yes, it has been said more then once by Turbine employees on the forums. I'd dig em up, but the Search function is a sewer at the moment.

It likely wouldn't matter if searching worked anyways. I know at least one of those posts was edited (long after the fact) to no longer say what it did originally.

[Cordovan]

I used the phrase "your own admission" in a corporate sense.... and yes, it has been said more then once by Turbine employees on the forums. I'd dig em up, but the Search function is a sewer at the moment.


It likely wouldn't matter if searching worked anyways. I know at least one of those posts was edited (long after the fact) to no longer say what it did originally.

Even if you did find the quote, I'm telling you it would have been inaccurate both now and at the time it was made. Now, back on topic!

[~Sergeant_Giggles]

Not to go off-topic, but I have never said such a thing, and if it was said by someone else, it would be an inaccurate statement.

To address a couple of folks' concerns: We are making a donation to The One Fund. If you choose not to use a coupon for the item, that purchase does not directly affect the donation we're making, which is why we were careful not to state it as such in our description of the effort. Initially, that was the plan, but various legal and technical hurdles prevented us from going that route. Instead, we're simply making a donation at the corporate level to the fund. Details will be forthcoming when it's all worked out.

So, if I'm reading this right, you can't directly donate the revenue of the ribbons, so instead you're donating a sum of money at the corporate level and then using the revenue of the ribbons to compensate some/all of the losses?

That's fine I guess, at least you're donating stuff. Is the size of the donation(s) you're giving going to be giving affected by sales of the ribbon?

[~redspecter23-A]

I applaud the effort, but the implementation is just messy.

You say that you're making a corporate donation that has nothing to do with how many ribbons are sold vs given for free, meaning that the 100TP that people spend goes right into the Turbine coffers.

You say you can't sell it for 1 TP. You can't put the code into the description. It's like you want people to spend 100 TP on this so Turbine can make money off of this effort, which I do not agree with. All proceeds from this should go directly to the charity and not to Turbine. If you can't legally do that, remove the ribbons from the store so people are not fooled into thinking that perhaps their 100 TP is a donation in some way.

If you cannot legally find a way to get that spent TP into the 1 fund, then why not just give every toon a ribbon for free like what was done with the birthday cakes? Surely you have the tech to do that if you can't give it away in the store.

This situation, which should have been something respectable has turned into another money making machine. Whether it was intended or not, that is what it looks like to me and it's sickening.

[phillymiket]

Not to go off-topic, but I have never said such a thing, and if it was said by someone else, it would be an inaccurate statement.

To address a couple of folks' concerns: We are making a donation to The One Fund. If you choose not to use a coupon for the item, that purchase does not directly affect the donation we're making, which is why we were careful not to state it as such in our description of the effort. Initially, that was the plan, but various legal and technical hurdles prevented us from going that route. Instead, we're simply making a donation at the corporate level to the fund. Details will be forthcoming when it's all worked out.

Dude, that's double speak.

I'm still unclear as to where my money went although i get the feeling it didn't go where I thought it did.

"I gave at the office" doesn't answer the question as to whether you are profiting from the ribbon I bought!

Even if your donation supersedes the ribbons profits, even by a long shot, it is still symbolically disgusting.

Again, without the careful avoidance, where did my 100 TP go?

Just say "to The One Fund directly" or "The same place all TP spent goes".

I walked away from that purchase thinking I had contributed to the fund!

Don't you see?

I only have so much to give and part of it went to you all. I never may have even noticed if i didn't read the forums.

I know it's not a lot of money but that's not the point.

Please answer the question.

I know you are not responsible for such decisions, sir, but I hope your employers don't really think that you can sell a virtual item for profit in the name of the events of Boston.

I hope some phone calls are being made.

Change it so the money goes DIRECTLY to the One Fund.

Obviously, you all care and I truly believe your heart is in the right place but don't turn your honest efforts to help into a PR mess by being so sloppy.

When you step in the arena of collecting money and raising the flag of awareness you have a responsibility to do it right.

There are too many people who really do collect for charity as a cash grab scam.

Don't unwittingly join their ranks.

[phillymiket]

Dang double posting, logging me out THREE times while typing, two different error screen causing new forums!

It really is frustrating trying to post now.

[~Absolution1]

I have a funny feeling about how this is being played out.

[DogMania]

Now as the player base for this game is WorldWide am I to assume that whenever we have a major catastraphy somewhere we will have a 3 hour downtime so that you can put up a shrine?, and if not why not?.
What in principle is a good idea is realy not as where do you stop?, in fact you should not have even started as this is a game.
Now all of you who want to run me down get a big car as I can take it.

[~Sergeant_Giggles]

Now as the player base for this game is WorldWide am I to assume that whenever we have a major catastraphy somewhere we will have a 3 hour downtime so that you can put up a shrine?, and if not why not?

The game is available to international players but Turbine is a Boston company. That's why.

[Cyr]

In another thread Cordovan said the donation amount was not linked to the number of these sold in the store. As dev tracker is not available and I doubt that quote lasted long, but it was stated.Jerry can you confirm this is indeed that case? That regardless of the number of these items the Turbine store sells (and regardless of whether people use the coupon or not ie spend 100 TP) that the donation is not being changed to reflect that.Or can you confirm that Turbine realized the immense mistake this would be and instead is giving a static donation plus any funds raised from these sales?

[rest]

If you choose not to use a coupon for the item, that purchase does not directly affect the donation we're making, which is why we were careful not to state it as such in our description of the effort.


So that 100 TP that someone mistakenly spends on this ribbon is the same as TP spent on a cosmetic pet, or a raid bypass timer or an adventure pack? The fact that you didn't directly state that "each ribbon = $X donated" and instead let it be implied by having it cost anything at all is pretty crappy. Instead of trumpeting it as a "One Fund Memorial Ribbon" call it what it really is: "Blue and Yellow Cosmetic Floaty Thing" since that's technically more accurate.

[DogMania]

The game is available to international players but Turbine is a Boston company. That's why.

So what has that got to do with me?, if they want to donate as a Company then that is there choice and no need to bring it to an International game

[phillymiket]

I applaud the effort, but the implementation is just messy.

You say that you're making a corporate donation that has nothing to do with how many ribbons are sold vs given for free, meaning that the 100TP that people spend goes right into the Turbine coffers.

You say you can't sell it for 1 TP. You can't put the code into the description. It's like you want people to spend 100 TP on this so Turbine can make money off of this effort, which I do not agree with. All proceeds from this should go directly to the charity and not to Turbine. If you can't legally do that, remove the ribbons from the store so people are not fooled into thinking that perhaps their 100 TP is a donation in some way.

If you cannot legally find a way to get that spent TP into the 1 fund, then why not just give every toon a ribbon for free like what was done with the birthday cakes? Surely you have the tech to do that if you can't give it away in the store.

This situation, which should have been something respectable has turned into another money making machine. Whether it was intended or not, that is what it looks like to me and it's sickening.

They certainly can just say "We will donate <X> dollars for each ribbon sold in the store".

Someone could just say it right now and make it so.

They could say "Sorry it wasn't more clear but that was our intention all along".

I would gladly suspend disbelief right now and stand and cheer the effort.

Please do so.

[~karatekid]

...but due to various technicalities...

I am starting to find the frequency of this phrase and near-clones of it (technical difficulties, etc) being used by Turbine humorous.

[~redspecter23-A]

They certainly can just say "We will donate <X> dollars for each ribbon sold in the store".

Someone could just say it right now and make it so.

They could say "Sorry it wasn't more clear but that was our intention all along".

I would gladly suspend disbelief right now and stand and cheer the effort.

Please do so.

I think that would be a great thing to do. I'd immediately go and spend 100 TP on a ribbon if it had some effect on a donation somewhere. As it currently does not, it's a pretty shady way to make a buck. I think they should remove it from the store until they decide that it will contribute to a donation or until they can make it 100% free.

[~Absolution1]

I hope the concern is being communicated up the chain.

[~Lorien_]

Not to go off-topic, but I have never said such a thing, and if it was said by someone else, it would be an inaccurate statement.

Really? It was said repeatedly in the past that only 5-10% ever visited the forums.

Just out of curiosity, what is the participation rate based on your stats?

[~Lorien_]

To address a couple of folks' concerns: We are making a donation to The One Fund. If you choose not to use a coupon for the item, that purchase does not directly affect the donation we're making, which is why we were careful not to state it as such in our description of the effort. Initially, that was the plan, but various legal and technical hurdles prevented us from going that route. Instead, we're simply making a donation at the corporate level to the fund. Details will be forthcoming when it's all worked out.

Now THAT is unfortunate.

You just scammed people. Unintentionally or not, you scammed people. Every 100TP/$1 you collect that way is done through taking advantage of your customer's and their feelings about the incident.

Guess I was right to be mad earlier on.

[seebs]

So, if I'm reading this right, you can't directly donate the revenue of the ribbons, so instead you're donating a sum of money at the corporate level and then using the revenue of the ribbons to compensate some/all of the losses?

That's fine I guess, at least you're donating stuff. Is the size of the donation(s) you're giving going to be giving affected by sales of the ribbon?

I think the difficulty here is that TP aren't money, and they don't have a consistent monetary value.

Say I go to the Turbine store, spend $5, get points, and spend those points buying 5 ribbons. Clearly, they've gotten $5 or so from sale of ribbons, right?

Now say instead I roll a bunch of alts on servers I've not been active on, and run each of them around farming favor until I get 100 TP per server from favor bonuses. And now I buy 5 ribbons. How much did they get from the sale of those ribbons?

My actual DDO account has, at the moment, some number of Turbine Points. Among them:
* Points I got from favor.
* Points I bought. Does it matter that I bought them during a 3x bonus points sale?
* Points I bought as part of a pack along with the expansion pack.
* Points I get for being a VIP.

Please advise: What is the correct dollar value for them to donate if I buy 5 ribbons using these points?

Keep in mind, if they claim they are donating "the proceeds", they have to be able to prove that the number they picked is correct. People could threaten them with legal hassle. Say they just average out the dollars I've spent and the points I have left. And then I threaten them with legal action, because while their average is about right, I feel that the points I spent back when I first started playing were obviously all from the much cheaper per-point pool I got when I bought the expansion pack, so now I expect them to be weighting this heavily towards the more-expensive points from my VIP subscription, which I believe should be priced as $10 per 500 points, because it's $10/month and I am getting 500 points and since I haven't logged in much the entire $10 has gone into getting those 500 points.

Basically, I don't see a way they can do this that isn't a huge nightmare to work out. If they donate less than about a buck per ribbon, people who buy small amounts of points to donate will feel like they're being scammed. If they donate most of a buck per ribbon, they lose a ton of money from all the people whose points were probably quite a bit cheaper.

Solution: They donate money, and they accept points for ribbons if you wanna contribute something, but you can get ribbons free if you have any worries about it.

Frankly, it sounds fine to me.

Look. I'm just gonna eat the forum warning or something if this gets hit by the mods, but I gotta say it.

For ****'s sake, people. The people at Turbine are living someplace that just got hit by ****ING BOMBS. There are a whole heck of a lot of people in Boston who know someone who is missing one or more limbs now that they weren't missing a month ago. The chances are not bad at all that some of the people you're picking on were within a block or two of a ****ing terrorist attack. And you are sitting here trying to argue that this is some kind of horrible cash grab.

I would be really, really, surprised if the net result of all this were that Turbine ends up "profiting". My guess is that they'll donate more money than they take in, even disregarding the costs of the development work and the extra time and effort. And that since it's impossible (as in, literally, there is no way to do it) to come up with a universally-agreed estimate of the value of the points spent, there will be no way for them to ever "prove" to anyone's satisfaction that they really did just donate some money to people in need because people they know have been hurt.

And this? This is really, really, sad. It is pathetic that y'all are jumping on them for being people. How dare they! How dare they have emotions. How dare they care about their community. How dare they act out of emotion rather than fully planning out the details in advance and making sure no one would object!

Screw. You. I am happy with what they're doing, I trust them to be acting in good faith, and I think I'm gonna go buy some points and some ribbons just so that they know that somewhere, somehow, at least one person is not busy trying to accuse anyone who acts out of emotion of running some kind of scam.

(Sorry, mods. I have considered, and I do not feel I can tone this down further. If you have the time, please edit out what you have to and leave the rest, 'k?)

[Cableman]

I think the difficulty here is that TP aren't money, and they don't have a consistent monetary value.

Say I go to the Turbine store, spend $5, get points, and spend those points buying 5 ribbons. Clearly, they've gotten $5 or so from sale of ribbons, right?

Now say instead I roll a bunch of alts on servers I've not been active on, and run each of them around farming favor until I get 100 TP per server from favor bonuses. And now I buy 5 ribbons. How much did they get from the sale of those ribbons?

My actual DDO account has, at the moment, some number of Turbine Points. Among them:
* Points I got from favor.
* Points I bought. Does it matter that I bought them during a 3x bonus points sale?
* Points I bought as part of a pack along with the expansion pack.
* Points I get for being a VIP.

Please advise: What is the correct dollar value for them to donate if I buy 5 ribbons using these points?

Keep in mind, if they claim they are donating "the proceeds", they have to be able to prove that the number they picked is correct. People could threaten them with legal hassle. Say they just average out the dollars I've spent and the points I have left. And then I threaten them with legal action, because while their average is about right, I feel that the points I spent back when I first started playing were obviously all from the much cheaper per-point pool I got when I bought the expansion pack, so now I expect them to be weighting this heavily towards the more-expensive points from my VIP subscription, which I believe should be priced as $10 per 500 points, because it's $10/month and I am getting 500 points and since I haven't logged in much the entire $10 has gone into getting those 500 points.

Basically, I don't see a way they can do this that isn't a huge nightmare to work out. If they donate less than about a buck per ribbon, people who buy small amounts of points to donate will feel like they're being scammed. If they donate most of a buck per ribbon, they lose a ton of money from all the people whose points were probably quite a bit cheaper.

Solution: They donate money, and they accept points for ribbons if you wanna contribute something, but you can get ribbons free if you have any worries about it.

Frankly, it sounds fine to me.

Look. I'm just gonna eat the forum warning or something if this gets hit by the mods, but I gotta say it.

For ****'s sake, people. The people at Turbine are living someplace that just got hit by ****ING BOMBS. There are a whole heck of a lot of people in Boston who know someone who is missing one or more limbs now that they weren't missing a month ago. The chances are not bad at all that some of the people you're picking on were within a block or two of a ****ing terrorist attack. And you are sitting here trying to argue that this is some kind of horrible cash grab.

I would be really, really, surprised if the net result of all this were that Turbine ends up "profiting". My guess is that they'll donate more money than they take in, even disregarding the costs of the development work and the extra time and effort. And that since it's impossible (as in, literally, there is no way to do it) to come up with a universally-agreed estimate of the value of the points spent, there will be no way for them to ever "prove" to anyone's satisfaction that they really did just donate some money to people in need because people they know have been hurt.

And this? This is really, really, sad. It is pathetic that y'all are jumping on them for being people. How dare they! How dare they have emotions. How dare they care about their community. How dare they act out of emotion rather than fully planning out the details in advance and making sure no one would object!

Screw. You. I am happy with what they're doing, I trust them to be acting in good faith, and I think I'm gonna go buy some points and some ribbons just so that they know that somewhere, somehow, at least one person is not busy trying to accuse anyone who acts out of emotion of running some kind of scam.

(Sorry, mods. I have considered, and I do not feel I can tone this down further. If you have the time, please edit out what you have to and leave the rest, 'k?)

Thanks for saying this, I couldn't agree more!

[rest]

I think the difficulty here is that TP aren't money, and they don't have a consistent monetary value.

Say I go to the Turbine store, spend $5, get points, and spend those points buying 5 ribbons. Clearly, they've gotten $5 or so from sale of ribbons, right?

Now say instead I roll a bunch of alts on servers I've not been active on, and run each of them around farming favor until I get 100 TP per server from favor bonuses. And now I buy 5 ribbons. How much did they get from the sale of those ribbons?

My actual DDO account has, at the moment, some number of Turbine Points. Among them:
* Points I got from favor.
* Points I bought. Does it matter that I bought them during a 3x bonus points sale?
* Points I bought as part of a pack along with the expansion pack.
* Points I get for being a VIP.

Please advise: What is the correct dollar value for them to donate if I buy 5 ribbons using these points?

Keep in mind, if they claim they are donating "the proceeds", they have to be able to prove that the number they picked is correct. People could threaten them with legal hassle. Say they just average out the dollars I've spent and the points I have left. And then I threaten them with legal action, because while their average is about right, I feel that the points I spent back when I first started playing were obviously all from the much cheaper per-point pool I got when I bought the expansion pack, so now I expect them to be weighting this heavily towards the more-expensive points from my VIP subscription, which I believe should be priced as $10 per 500 points, because it's $10/month and I am getting 500 points and since I haven't logged in much the entire $10 has gone into getting those 500 points.

Basically, I don't see a way they can do this that isn't a huge nightmare to work out. If they donate less than about a buck per ribbon, people who buy small amounts of points to donate will feel like they're being scammed. If they donate most of a buck per ribbon, they lose a ton of money from all the people whose points were probably quite a bit cheaper.

Solution: They donate money, and they accept points for ribbons if you wanna contribute something, but you can get ribbons free if you have any worries about it.

Frankly, it sounds fine to me.

Look. I'm just gonna eat the forum warning or something if this gets hit by the mods, but I gotta say it.

For ****'s sake, people. The people at Turbine are living someplace that just got hit by ****ING BOMBS. There are a whole heck of a lot of people in Boston who know someone who is missing one or more limbs now that they weren't missing a month ago. The chances are not bad at all that some of the people you're picking on were within a block or two of a ****ing terrorist attack. And you are sitting here trying to argue that this is some kind of horrible cash grab.

I would be really, really, surprised if the net result of all this were that Turbine ends up "profiting". My guess is that they'll donate more money than they take in, even disregarding the costs of the development work and the extra time and effort. And that since it's impossible (as in, literally, there is no way to do it) to come up with a universally-agreed estimate of the value of the points spent, there will be no way for them to ever "prove" to anyone's satisfaction that they really did just donate some money to people in need because people they know have been hurt.

And this? This is really, really, sad. It is pathetic that y'all are jumping on them for being people. How dare they! How dare they have emotions. How dare they care about their community. How dare they act out of emotion rather than fully planning out the details in advance and making sure no one would object!

Screw. You. I am happy with what they're doing, I trust them to be acting in good faith, and I think I'm gonna go buy some points and some ribbons just so that they know that somewhere, somehow, at least one person is not busy trying to accuse anyone who acts out of emotion of running some kind of scam.

(Sorry, mods. I have considered, and I do not feel I can tone this down further. If you have the time, please edit out what you have to and leave the rest, 'k?)

I can hardly wait to see what they do for the folks who were impacted by the West, Texas tragedy.

[phillymiket]

I think the difficulty here is that TP aren't money, and they don't have a consistent monetary value.

Say I go to the Turbine store, spend $5, get points, and spend those points buying 5 ribbons. Clearly, they've gotten $5 or so from sale of ribbons, right?

Now say instead I roll a bunch of alts on servers I've not been active on, and run each of them around farming favor until I get 100 TP per server from favor bonuses. And now I buy 5 ribbons. How much did they get from the sale of those ribbons?

My actual DDO account has, at the moment, some number of Turbine Points. Among them:
* Points I got from favor.
* Points I bought. Does it matter that I bought them during a 3x bonus points sale?
* Points I bought as part of a pack along with the expansion pack.
* Points I get for being a VIP.

Please advise: What is the correct dollar value for them to donate if I buy 5 ribbons using these points?

Keep in mind, if they claim they are donating "the proceeds", they have to be able to prove that the number they picked is correct. People could threaten them with legal hassle. Say they just average out the dollars I've spent and the points I have left. And then I threaten them with legal action, because while their average is about right, I feel that the points I spent back when I first started playing were obviously all from the much cheaper per-point pool I got when I bought the expansion pack, so now I expect them to be weighting this heavily towards the more-expensive points from my VIP subscription, which I believe should be priced as $10 per 500 points, because it's $10/month and I am getting 500 points and since I haven't logged in much the entire $10 has gone into getting those 500 points.

Basically, I don't see a way they can do this that isn't a huge nightmare to work out. If they donate less than about a buck per ribbon, people who buy small amounts of points to donate will feel like they're being scammed. If they donate most of a buck per ribbon, they lose a ton of money from all the people whose points were probably quite a bit cheaper.

Solution: They donate money, and they accept points for ribbons if you wanna contribute something, but you can get ribbons free if you have any worries about it.

Frankly, it sounds fine to me.

Look. I'm just gonna eat the forum warning or something if this gets hit by the mods, but I gotta say it.

For ****'s sake, people. The people at Turbine are living someplace that just got hit by ****ING BOMBS. There are a whole heck of a lot of people in Boston who know someone who is missing one or more limbs now that they weren't missing a month ago. The chances are not bad at all that some of the people you're picking on were within a block or two of a ****ing terrorist attack. And you are sitting here trying to argue that this is some kind of horrible cash grab.

I would be really, really, surprised if the net result of all this were that Turbine ends up "profiting". My guess is that they'll donate more money than they take in, even disregarding the costs of the development work and the extra time and effort. And that since it's impossible (as in, literally, there is no way to do it) to come up with a universally-agreed estimate of the value of the points spent, there will be no way for them to ever "prove" to anyone's satisfaction that they really did just donate some money to people in need because people they know have been hurt.

And this? This is really, really, sad. It is pathetic that y'all are jumping on them for being people. How dare they! How dare they have emotions. How dare they care about their community. How dare they act out of emotion rather than fully planning out the details in advance and making sure no one would object!

Screw. You. I am happy with what they're doing, I trust them to be acting in good faith, and I think I'm gonna go buy some points and some ribbons just so that they know that somewhere, somehow, at least one person is not busy trying to accuse anyone who acts out of emotion of running some kind of scam.

(Sorry, mods. I have considered, and I do not feel I can tone this down further. If you have the time, please edit out what you have to and leave the rest, 'k?)

Ok.

I get your point.

I hope you can understand my point.

Which is, they have presented this in a way that seems deceptive and is sloppy as all get up.

I am not doubting their motives but WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?!?

You get NOTHING from this purchase!

NOTHING!

SOMEBODY should have realized when they couldn't offer the item for free that it must be rethought rather than push it through.

Like you said, THEY ARE IN BOSTON!

Someone should have thought about the appearance of having the 100 TP go to profit and said "This could be taken the wrong way. There are emotions of the highest magnitude involved here. We MUST be careful on this."

I get your point about the intention.

But the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The clumsiness involved here is grand and they deserve these tongue lashings and more and should correct the issue post haste.

My company does charity events all the time.

We are very clear exactly what proceeds go to the charity (like maybe a door charge) and word things in a way that it is CLEAR that other things go to bills and profit (like maybe bar sales).

That is NOT the time for carefully worded sales copy that leads you down the wrong road.

You just can't drop the ball and not be careful when you appear to be collecting for a charity.

And if you ARE NOT collecting for charity then you must be clear on that!

You have a RESPONSIBILITY because if you do it wrong or are deceptive then peoples money goes TO YOU instead of an organization that ACTUALLY CAN help.

As far as the complaints of the ribbon or memorial being there at all I say GIVE ME A BREAK.

The companies fiends and neighbors were blown up!

I would hope you would do something similar if this had happened next door to your company, knock on wood.

[seebs]

I can hardly wait to see what they do for the folks who were impacted by the West, Texas tragedy.

I wasn't aware Turbine was in West, Texas. I thought they were in Boston.

People care more about stuff that's near them. This is not a horrible thing.

[seebs]

Ok.

I get your point.

I hope you can understand my point.

Which is, they have presented this in a way that seems deceptive and is sloppy as all get up.

See, that's the thing. It doesn't seem deceptive to me. I thought about whether they could donate the proceeds, realized it was obviously impossible, and figured they'd donate money but that there'd be no way they could establish whether the amount was "the proceeds" or not.


You get NOTHING from this purchase!

A cosmetic item isn't quite NOTHING.


SOMEBODY should have realized when they couldn't offer the item for free that it must be rethought rather than push it through.

Well, they do have the coupon. But as noted, they don't seem to have a thing for 0-point base costs. Which is sort of weird, but hey, it happens.


We are very clear exactly what proceeds go to the charity (like maybe a door charge) and word things in a way that it is CLEAR that other things go to bills and profit (like maybe bar sales).

Well, that's because it's possible for it to be clear. Because you are actually collecting money.


You have a RESPONSIBILITY because if you do it wrong or are deceptive then peoples money goes TO YOU instead of an organization that ACTUALLY CAN help.

I basically agree, except that in this case, I think it's pretty clear that what will actually happen is, whatever the apparent-value of all the ribbons bought is, they'll donate more than that to charity. But there'll be no meaningful way to define the value so that everyone can agree on what happened to "the proceeds".

So basically: I think that, if there were any way to give a clear and unambiguously correct answer to the question "what are the proceeds of this sale, anyway?" they would have gone with that. But there isn't. So they're doing the best they can to get something happening. Something where they give money to charity and they solicit memorial contributions, and do their best to make that line up without saying anything that'd create legal action problems.

Maybe it's clumsy, but frankly, I can't think of any case I've seen where someone did better when their business model involved "points" of no fixed dollar value.

[~usernameanon]

I wasn't aware Turbine was in West, Texas. I thought they were in Boston.

People care more about stuff that's near them. This is not a horrible thing.


Then collect donations from the office people, not from the game.
Turbine powered by the fans, we don't say that, Turbine does. But now with them not donating a set amount and obviously not going to make a shrine for "the fans" who Turbine wouldn't be here without for each horrific event that happens. This has no place in a game.


Turbine has yet to say they will even "donate" a greater amount then they will make off of 100TP sales. For all we as fans know they will "donate" $10,000 to the fund, while we as players as a whole spend $500,000 on the ribbons. It's just wrong.

[seebs]

This has no place in a game.

You are welcome to play soulless games in which there is no hint of the people who create them. I'd rather not.

[yhelm123]

Look. I'm just gonna eat the forum warning or something if this gets hit by the mods, but I gotta say it.

For ****'s sake, people. The people at Turbine are living someplace that just got hit by ****ING BOMBS. There are a whole heck of a lot of people in Boston who know someone who is missing one or more limbs now that they weren't missing a month ago. The chances are not bad at all that some of the people you're picking on were within a block or two of a ****ing terrorist attack. And you are sitting here trying to argue that this is some kind of horrible cash grab.

I would be really, really, surprised if the net result of all this were that Turbine ends up "profiting". My guess is that they'll donate more money than they take in, even disregarding the costs of the development work and the extra time and effort. And that since it's impossible (as in, literally, there is no way to do it) to come up with a universally-agreed estimate of the value of the points spent, there will be no way for them to ever "prove" to anyone's satisfaction that they really did just donate some money to people in need because people they know have been hurt.

And this? This is really, really, sad. It is pathetic that y'all are jumping on them for being people. How dare they! How dare they have emotions. How dare they care about their community. How dare they act out of emotion rather than fully planning out the details in advance and making sure no one would object!

Screw. You. I am happy with what they're doing, I trust them to be acting in good faith, and I think I'm gonna go buy some points and some ribbons just so that they know that somewhere, somehow, at least one person is not busy trying to accuse anyone who acts out of emotion of running some kind of scam.

(Sorry, mods. I have considered, and I do not feel I can tone this down further. If you have the time, please edit out what you have to and leave the rest, 'k?)

Thank you for saying what I have been thinking this entire thread. What does it matter to anyone if they want to do something nice for their community? Just move on, people. Let them have a moment to deal with the emotions that effected them, their loved ones, and their coworkers. You can get back to complaining about the new forums.

[phillymiket]

See, that's the thing. It doesn't seem deceptive to me. I thought about whether they could donate the proceeds, realized it was obviously impossible, and figured they'd donate money but that there'd be no way they could establish whether the amount was "the proceeds" or not.



A cosmetic item isn't quite NOTHING.



Well, they do have the coupon. But as noted, they don't seem to have a thing for 0-point base costs. Which is sort of weird, but hey, it happens.



Well, that's because it's possible for it to be clear. Because you are actually collecting money.



I basically agree, except that in this case, I think it's pretty clear that what will actually happen is, whatever the apparent-value of all the ribbons bought is, they'll donate more than that to charity. But there'll be no meaningful way to define the value so that everyone can agree on what happened to "the proceeds".

So basically: I think that, if there were any way to give a clear and unambiguously correct answer to the question "what are the proceeds of this sale, anyway?" they would have gone with that. But there isn't. So they're doing the best they can to get something happening. Something where they give money to charity and they solicit memorial contributions, and do their best to make that line up without saying anything that'd create legal action problems.

Maybe it's clumsy, but frankly, I can't think of any case I've seen where someone did better when their business model involved "points" of no fixed dollar value.

Sorry, I disagree.

"Enter the coupon code 'Boston' to receive 10 free ribbons per account. Turbine has made a generous donation to The One Fund. Proceeds from the sales of this ribbon cover the cost of creating the ribbon and in-game memorial and do not go to The One Fund."

That pretty much covers it.

THAT is honest, straight forward and clear.

Don't give me that hogwash about it being impossible to do it any way but how it was done.

[~usernameanon]

You are welcome to play soulless games in which there is no hint of the people who create them. I'd rather not.


That's not even the issue. The issue is Why not me? Why not you? When is enough a enough?

Why is there nothing to "honor" the dead from the Texas explosion weeks ago? I'm sure Turbine has "fans" who live there.
We have a great many Chinese players. Why no "memorial" to honor the 21 dead from there recent "terrorist attack"?

I can keep listing and listing about where and when, and how those people will never get a memorial ingame.

That's the exact reason this type of thing DOESN'T belong ingame. And by using the excuse of Turbine being located in the Boston area, is just that, an excuse.

[phillymiket]

That's not even the issue. The issue is Why not me? Why not you? When is enough a enough?

Why is there nothing to "honor" the dead from the Texas explosion weeks ago? I'm sure Turbine has "fans" who live there.
We have a great many Chinese players. Why no "memorial" to honor the 21 dead from there recent "terrorist attack"?

I can keep listing and listing about where and when, and how those people will never get a memorial ingame.

That's the exact reason this type of thing DOESN'T belong ingame. And by using the excuse of Turbine being located in the Boston area, is just that, an excuse.

Because charity starts at home.

I'm sure local companies in Texas are doing things for the victims of the explosion and not for the Boston event.

As well they should.

Besides this being a local and personal issue for Turbine there is the fact that we're talking about Boston here.

They look out for each other.

That's how they roll.

Let them do their thing.

[~usernameanon]

Because charity starts at home.

I'm sure local companies in Texas are doing things for the victims of the explosion and not for the Boston event.

As well they should.

Besides this being a local and personal issue for Turbine there is the fact that we're talking about Boston here.

They look out for each other.

That's how they roll.

Let them do their thing.

And you just made one of my points. If charity starts at home, ask around the office, don't ask from the playerbase AROUND the world. Especially if you are not going to ask around the world for other "horrific" events.

[seebs]

That's not even the issue. The issue is Why not me?

Because you aren't the entire staff of the company.


Why is there nothing to "honor" the dead from the Texas explosion weeks ago?

Because Turbine isn't there, either.


That's the exact reason this type of thing DOESN'T belong ingame. And by using the excuse of Turbine being located in the Boston area, is just that, an excuse.

No, it's a reason.

Seriously, what the heck. How many funerals do you go to? How many of them are for people you've never met, and don't have any prior experience of or connection to?

Ever wonder why people mostly go to funerals for people they know?

The people making the game were affected by this, so they're acting on that. Look, seriously. I have a clinical diagnosis for my difficulties figuring out what people who aren't me are experiencing, what's your excuse?

[seebs]

Sorry, I disagree.

"Enter the coupon code 'Boston' to receive 10 free ribbons per account. Turbine has made a generous donation to The One Fund. Proceeds from the sales of this ribbon cover the cost of creating the ribbon and in-game memorial and do not go to The One Fund."

That pretty much covers it.

THAT is honest, straight forward and clear.

Don't give me that hogwash about it being impossible to do it any way but how it was done.

Except that's almost certainly untrue. My guess is that it will actually be the case that the amount of money they give is related in some way to any ribbon sales -- just that they can't put an absolutely definite relation on that because there's no unambiguous definition available.

In short, I am pretty sure that if people spent a ton of money buying new points just to buy ribbons, that would be reflected in the size of Turbine's donation. I don't think the impossibility of stating that a specific dollar spent three years ago will end up in that fund means that they aren't trying to move money from players to the fund; it just means that they can't state definitively that this is what happens to a given dollar, since turbine points reflect dollars spent in the past.

[~Absolution1]

My guess is that it will actually be the case that the amount of money they give is related in some way to any ribbon sales -- just that they can't put an absolutely definite relation on that because there's no unambiguous definition available.

In short, I am pretty sure that if people spent a ton of money buying new points just to buy ribbons, that would be reflected in the size of Turbine's donation. I don't think the impossibility of stating that a specific dollar spent three years ago will end up in that fund means that they aren't trying to move money from players to the fund; it just means that they can't state definitively that this is what happens to a given dollar, since turbine points reflect dollars spent in the past.

There is no correlation between sales of ribbons and the amount donated.

[~usernameanon]

If Turbine was going to do the "good" thing, they would announce there donation now. Before all sales go through. That way if the ribbons didn't sell well they would still be set for that amount.

If Turbine was going to do the "good" thing they would donate ALL profits and announce ALL profits.

But yet, it's word games and makes it seem like they are trying to profit off of something that happened in there own area.

Sure glad they are not in Chicago, because we wouldn't be as gullible as some in the face of a tragedy like what happened.

[phillymiket]

And you just made one of my points. If charity starts at home, ask around the office, don't ask from the playerbase AROUND the world. Especially if you are not going to ask around the world for other "horrific" events.

But by your standards every company should either do everything for everyone or nothing at all.

Obviously, no company could be a voice for every worthy cause on Our Green Earth.

Surely you don't want to have zero companies become involved in charity, do you?

Some companies will choose, for whatever reasons, to support something like maybe breast cancer research.

They don't mean to say all other cancer research isn't worthy. They can't realistically support research for all forms of ailment.

But maybe for that one thing they can make a diference.

Do you really feel it's unfair that a Boston company is supporting the One Fund?

Do you really feel like you are being put upon by having this thing that you don't have to participate in going on around you?

Hasn't something bad happened in your local?

Didn't people rally around that cause in a way that was special?

Come on man.

Put yourself in their shoes a second.

[~usernameanon]

But by your standards every company should either do everything for everyone or nothing at all.

Obviously, no company could be a voice for every worthy cause on Our Green Earth.

Surely you don't want to have zero companies become involved in charity, do you?

Some companies will choose, for whatever reasons, to support something like maybe breast cancer research.

They don't mean to say all other cancer research isn't worthy. They can't realistically support research for all forms of ailment.

But maybe for that one thing they can make a diference.

Do you really feel it's unfair that a Boston company is supporting the One Fund?

Do you really feel like you are being put upon by having this thing that you don't have to participate in going on around you?

Hasn't something bad happened in your local?

Didn't people rally around that cause in a way that was special?

Come on man.

Put yourself in their shoes a second.


It all comes down to, then don't do it in game. Turbine can support One Fund, I'm not saying that, but don't do it in game. There are many alternatives to doing it differently.

Sure a company can't donate to ALL events, but then those companies also don't advertise to there millions or thousands of customers and ask. They keep it in office.

[seebs]

There is no correlation between sales of ribbons and the amount donated.

Quite possible, although I'm not sure whether that'll actually be what happens.

Mostly... I guess I just don't care if they're being clumsy about it, or if their plan obviously got changed partway through. People are hurting here, they're not trying to cheat you, and being jerks to them about it does not solve anything.

[seebs]

It all comes down to, then don't do it in game.

But you've provided no reason for that.


Turbine can support One Fund, I'm not saying that, but don't do it in game.

Why not?


Sure a company can't donate to ALL events, but then those companies also don't advertise to there millions or thousands of customers and ask. They keep it in office.

Except this just ain't so. Companies regularly do things to try to get people aware of and donating to locally relevant charities or causes. It's normal, it's commonplace, it's perfectly acceptable, and it happens all the time.

[Archangel_666]

Quite possible, although I'm not sure whether that'll actually be what happens.

Mostly... I guess I just don't care if they're being clumsy about it, or if their plan obviously got changed partway through. People are hurting here, they're not trying to cheat you, and being jerks to them about it does not solve anything.

While I can see where you're coming from, to me it just reinforces that it has no place in the game, it's just too divisive.

If Turbine wanted to support the charity, then well done, but the best way would have been to simply say on the Forums or Social Media:

We're donating money to this charity, if anyone else would like to do the same, here's a link to the site.


It should have been left at that.

[Stealthdog]

People have some serious issues if they are finding fault for a company geographically located where a disaster occurred doing a charity event for the victims of that disaster.

They aren't doing an event for China because Turbine is located in Boston.
They aren't doing an event for Texas because Turbine is located in Boston.
They aren't doing an event for XXXXX because Turbine is located in Boston.

If you don't want to partake in the event, then don't and stop ****ing all over this thread and Turbine's attempt to do something for the community they are located in.

[seebs]

While I can see where you're coming from, to me it just reinforces that it has no place in the game, it's just too divisive.

I don't see anything divisive here except Captain Empathy going on and on about how horrible it is for people to care about other people they know.


If Turbine wanted to support the charity, then well done, but the best way would have been to simply say on the Forums or Social Media:

We're donating money to this charity, if anyone else would like to do the same, here's a link to the site.

It should have been left at that.

Again, if I wanted a game which in no way reflected the souls of its creators, I am sure EA and Zynga would be glad to hook me up.

[phillymiket]

Except that's almost certainly untrue. My guess is that it will actually be the case that the amount of money they give is related in some way to any ribbon sales -- just that they can't put an absolutely definite relation on that because there's no unambiguous definition available.

In short, I am pretty sure that if people spent a ton of money buying new points just to buy ribbons, that would be reflected in the size of Turbine's donation. I don't think the impossibility of stating that a specific dollar spent three years ago will end up in that fund means that they aren't trying to move money from players to the fund; it just means that they can't state definitively that this is what happens to a given dollar, since turbine points reflect dollars spent in the past.

Well if the cost of creating the ribbon was far less than expected revenue that they could rephrase.

The important thing is the phrase "Proceeds from the sale of the ribbon do not go to The One Fund"

That ^ is what needs to be stated clearly.

Companies get a benefit from charity work in the form of good-will amongst their clients.

Turbine appears to be, knowingly or not, cashing in on that good-will in way they shouldn't. Getting credit where they shouldn't.

The phrasing is ambiguous where it should be clear.

They don't need to be able to trace the origin of every Turbine point to set up system to do what they intended.

If they cant track a point-to-point donation to satisfy a legal requirement than another method should have been used

A barter box like the birthday boxes would have worked.

A free item that people could use or throw away could have worked.

A NCP that gave out the ribbons.

A "We donate 1$ for every ribbon sold" policy would have worked.

Doing nothing but list the charity and how to give in log-in screen would have worked.

I don't by bracelets and ribbons for a cause just to have the bracelet and ribbon so I appear to have done something.

I assume the money goes to the cause.

If it doesn't go the cause than i don't buy.

The ribbon made many, myself included, think that the money went to The One Fund.

It doesn't.

That's bad no matter how you cut it and needs to be addressed.

[~usernameanon]

People have some serious issues if they are finding fault for a company geographically located where a disaster occurred doing a charity event for the victims of that disaster.

They aren't doing an event for China because Turbine is located in Boston.
They aren't doing an event for Texas because Turbine is located in Boston.
They aren't doing an event for XXXXX because Turbine is located in Boston.

If you don't want to partake in the event, then don't and stop ****ing all over this thread and Turbine's attempt to do something for the community they are located in.

The game company is located in Boston. The game is located in Eberron. Keep that distinction. Keep it out of game. There are many "interfaces" that could have been used that were not.
Why is there no facebook message with a direct link to support there cause?
Why is there no twitter message with a direct link to support there cause?
Why the heck is there no forum message with a direct link to support there cause?

All there facebook, twitter and forum messages direct you to the DDO STORE.

If they really cared they would have ONLY One Fund Charity links, not DDO STORE advertisements.

[Archangel_666]

I don't see anything divisive here except Captain Empathy going on and on about how horrible it is for people to care about other people they know.

It's divisive because if Turbine only does it for its own home but not anyone else's then who is being Captain Empathy? People in other parts of the world who are affected by similar tragedies grieve just as deeply.


Again, if I wanted a game which in no way reflected the souls of its creators, I am sure EA and Zynga would be glad to hook me up.

That's where we differ then, because personally, reminders of real life when I'm trying to immerse myself in a video game don't reflect the souls of the games creators. It simply reminds me that real life is ****. What reflects the soul of a games creators to me would be a beautifully crafted quest for example. Someone took the time and effort and turned their inspiration into a beautiful piece of entertainment. That's why we're all here isn't it? To be entertained?

[phillymiket]

It all comes down to, then don't do it in game. Turbine can support One Fund, I'm not saying that, but don't do it in game. There are many alternatives to doing it differently.

Sure a company can't donate to ALL events, but then those companies also don't advertise to there millions or thousands of customers and ask. They keep it in office.

You have a problem with the NFL players wearing pink to support breast cancer?

Does that interfere with your immersion?

I suppose they could just have a blurb at halftime or have something come up on the scoreboard once or twice.

Is that what they should be doing so people don't have to think about breast cancer during a game?

Don't you think the Player's Association realizes the overwhelming majority of NFL fans don't have breast cancer?

They do it to raise awareness and do some good knowing that MOST humans will be fine with the pink gear and actually be glad for it.

But I'm sure some STILL complain.

I'm glad I'm not that guy.

[~Absolution1]

You have a problem with the NFL players wearing pink to support breast cancer?

Does that interfere with your immersion?

I suppose they could just have a blurb at halftime or have something come up on the scoreboard once or twice.

Is that what they should be doing so people don't have to think about breast cancer during a game?

Don't you think the Player's Association realizes the overwhelming majority of NFL fans don't have breast cancer?

They do it to raise awareness and do some good knowing that MOST humans will be fine with the pink gear and actually be glad for it.

But I'm sure some STILL complain.

I'm glad I'm not that guy.

The NFL isn't selling the ribbons and then keeping the money.

[seebs]

It's divisive because if Turbine only does it for its own home but not anyone else's then who is being Captain Empathy?

Same guy it has been all along. Turbine is not expecting all of their customers to care deeply about this; they are just expecting their customers to accept that the people at Turbine care. Which would be basic human decency, so frankly it's a bit silly of them to expect it from MMO players.


That's where we differ then, because personally, reminders of real life when I'm trying to immerse myself in a video game don't reflect the souls of the games creators.

They do, though. A thing that's there because of the nature of the people who worked on the game does in fact reflect them. That you don't care about that aspect of them doesn't change that.


What reflects the soul of a games creators to me would be a beautifully crafted quest for example. Someone took the time and effort and turned their inspiration into a beautiful piece of entertainment. That's why we're all here isn't it? To be entertained?

If you want that kind of passion, you have to accept that sometimes the things people are passionate about aren't important to you.

If you want a game that's only ever focused on things you care about, go write it.

[phillymiket]

The NFL isn't selling the ribbons and then keeping the money.

Agreed.

I'm having TWO DIFFERENT arguments in the same thread!

It's getting confusing. :-D

This is the argument where DDO, as a Boston company, could and should help the One Fund.

The other argument supports your point that accepting ONE THIN DIME in the name of the events in Boston is a travesty and an insult.

So I'm with you on that.

Great idea, bad implementation.

[Memnir]

Great idea, bad implementation.Agreed 100%.

Just to say it in plain language - I have no problems with Turbine helping charity. I have no problems with them doing a gesture for the Marathon, being a Boston company I fully expected it and support their doing so.


I'm just bummed that the specifics on the how's and why's have turned out the way they have.

[phillymiket]

Agreed 100%.

Just to say it in plain language - I have no problems with Turbine helping charity. I have no problems with them doing a gesture for the Marathon, being a Boston company I fully expected it and support their doing so.


I'm just bummed that the specifics on the how's and why's have turned out the way they have.

Yeah I know :-(

The FIRST thing I did when I logged on was buy a ribbon!

I was HAPPY to spend the money even though i didn't have to.

I just DIDN'T THINK I had to read the text like it was from some stranger coming up to me on the street asking for a donation.

It was very disappointing for me to see that my purchase did nothing.

I'm just upset that it could be so unclear and also angry that Turbine seems to have gone home without addressing the issue on these forums.

Like you said in another thread, Mem, it's a real question and deserves a real answer. It's not personal or just another attack on Turbine like a game issue.

Coming out and saying "We didn't think about the fact that people may think the wrong thing and are doing XYZ to make it right" would go a long way with me.

I'm a dyed-in-the-wool fan boi on most things DDO.

I really do see what they were TRYING to do.

I'm making a big stink here and now so they will CHANGE THIS before it becomes a PR nightmare.

I'm really thinking in Turbines best interest.

PLEASE TURBINE - REPHRASE/RETHINK - TAKE THIS FROM ZERO TO HERO WITH ONE GOOD, SMART MOVE!

[Alizee8a]

Great idea, bad implementation.

Totally agree. I don't care if it's in the game. But, I can understand why it bothers some people. IMO, they can support whatever they want however they want. If they decide to support breast cancer and sell pink ribbons, I don't care.

What I don't like is ambiguous "donations". I don't think Turbine is trying to make money off this, but I can understand how it could be misconstrued.

I can text a number at a concert and get charged $10 for a donation to a cause the group is supporting and it will be added to my cell phone bill. I can go to the website of any number of charitable organizations and give them my credit card. There are a ton of different ways for people to make financial donations to the causes they support.

Turbine has my credit card information. I use it to buy TP. I don't understand why they can't just cut out the middle man (TP) and let me buy a ribbon for $1. If I could, I would buy one for each of my characters today. It would have no material impact on my ability to "win" as it is cosmetic only. Then they can track all "donations" and make sure the funds get where they need to go.

Shoot, they could even pledge to donate a portion of TP purchases over a certain time period. Win-win! I know I don't understand the legal or technical issues behind pulling something like this off, but it does seem to me that this whole thing wasn't entirely thought through.

If that can't be done, then don't do it all. Collect donations at work, do a walk, telethon, whatever you want to do.

Thoughts and prayers to all those impacted by the attacks in Boston, including my RL freinds and family.

[~Fabrykator]

I find it very troubling that people are upset that Turbine or whoever is showing support for this tragedy. Why are so many people so full of hate? The belief that Turbine is using the bombing as a way to make a buck or in any way not show tribute to the fallen and injured is ridiculous.
I am very sure that those who respond to every post they disagree with, multiple times, will do the same with mine but I just dont see whats wrong with this.
I love DDO and the fact they show that they care about others, to me, is a good thing.

[phillymiket]

I find it very troubling that people are upset that Turbine or whoever is showing support for this tragedy. Why are so many people so full of hate? The belief that Turbine is using the bombing as a way to make a buck or in any way not show tribute to the fallen and injured is ridiculous.
I am very sure that those who respond to every post they disagree with, multiple times, will do the same with mine but I just dont see whats wrong with this.
I love DDO and the fact they show that they care about others, to me, is a good thing.

Yeah I guess I will respond though I am abusing my posting privileges today. Sorry i usually don't do that.

But I feel strongly.

Listen, i hear you.

Part of me is angry at myself too because I know turbine intended something good. Fully. I really believe that.

I'm proud of Turbine for making a donation and creating the memorial and ribbon. Maybe I should have said that before.

But you say "The belief that Turbine is using the bombing as a way to make a buck or in any way not show tribute to the fallen and injured is ridiculous." but here is the problem:

Each ribbon costs about a buck give or take, if you bought your points rather then ground them out.

So i bought a ribbon.

They got a buck.

It's not ridiculous.

It's quite literally, and by their own kinda-round-about-wishy-washy admission, true.

You buy a ribbon - they get a buck.

I know they meant well and i support the memorial and effort but thay have to change that one thing.

It changes the whole flavor of a noble effort.

"TURBINE SELLS BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING RIBBONS AND KEEPS PROFITS."

^^^ That's the headline. ^^^

:-O

Now honestly tell me, smart move or dumb move?

[~Lorien_]

You have a problem with the NFL players wearing pink to support breast cancer?

Does that interfere with your immersion?

Yeah, a little bit. It always appears to be more of a marketing ploy for the NFL than for the charity. It's just them trying to undo their jock image and bring women into the viewing audience. Oh sure, it does some good, but its definitely the NFL marketing itself by association with the charity (which is in general how corporate giving works)


Don't you think the Player's Association realizes the overwhelming majority of NFL fans don't have breast cancer?

In direct answer to your question, it is a fairly safe bet that the majority of NFL fans ARE directly impacted by breast cancer. It's hard to be above 20 and not know someone (male or female, yes men get it too) close to you who has it/had it.

[~redspecter23-A]

I find it very troubling that people are upset that Turbine or whoever is showing support for this tragedy. Why are so many people so full of hate? The belief that Turbine is using the bombing as a way to make a buck or in any way not show tribute to the fallen and injured is ridiculous.
I am very sure that those who respond to every post they disagree with, multiple times, will do the same with mine but I just dont see whats wrong with this.
I love DDO and the fact they show that they care about others, to me, is a good thing.

One can want to do something good with all the good intentions in the world and pour their hearts and souls into such a thing and it can still turn out to be bad in some way in the end, whether real or invented by those that are watching.

Dictionary entry found for the word "Turbine"


I honestly believe that this should be a good thing. It's such a great thing to do to honor the victims of the tragedy and to raise awareness for the One Fund charity so that people that want to help can donate and do a part to assist those in need. Unfortunately, as is lately the case with Turbine, they failed to completely think through the implementation of a great idea and it's turned into what we have here. Great intentions, poor implementation. So many small things that could have been done slightly differently to make this an easy positive. Some people see it for what it was intended to be, which is great. Some people will only see the flaws, which is unfortunate, but that will be the case when noble efforts are hastily thrown together before checking the little details.

[phillymiket]

Yeah, a little bit. It always appears to be more of a marketing ploy for the NFL than for the charity. It's just them trying to undo their jock image and bring women into the viewing audience. Oh sure, it does some good, but its definitely the NFL marketing itself by association with the charity (which is in general how corporate giving works)

In direct answer to your question, it is a fairly safe bet that the majority of NFL fans ARE directly impacted by breast cancer. It's hard to be above 20 and not know someone (male or female, yes men get it too) close to you who has it/had it.
(posting again - i can't help myself)

Sure.

That's a real thing called Societal Marketing.

It really is good for society, most of the time.

The deal is, you do something good and let everyone know it.

Everyone wins.

The cause gets support, you sell more widgets and the customer feels good about themselves.

That's the kicker - Turbine's greatest benefit from this is the PR!

The money is nothing! They should have assured that they got nothing at all! For their own benefit!

For the record - I could be wrong - I thought the pink gear was started by the PLAYERS ASSOCIATION not the league and only picked up later by the NFL itself.

I maybe totally wrong there.

[~eonone]

To me it is very simple. I'm sure that Turbine has the best intentions. Almost anyone can accept that. However, at the end of the day, I want to know that they didn't make a single penny off of the tragedy. That they actually donated to the cause, that every penny spent on ribbons went to those who needed it.

But I can't know that they didn't profit from this "promotion". And I know it shouldn't bother me. That mistakes happen and that of course Turbine wants to do the right thing.

But it does bother me. It does bother me that Turbine could make even a single penny off of this. It really shouldn't bother me. But it does. It bothers me a lot.

[BigFootHunt]

This kind of thing has no place in game the way it is done.
It does consider feelings of people living close by or knowing someone there.
It does not consider feelings of people elsewhere. And some of them might percieve it as slap in the face.
I am sure those wanting to help to the victims can do so. News everywhere are full of it. Everyone knows.
Consider for a moment someone who lost people close to them in ship tragedy with magnitude of lives lost 200x greater then Boston. And now this is put into the persons favorite game. How does that make such person feel.

And the way i personally percieve this being put in game is "because PR said it would be good for us let's put it there"
I am pretty sure that people are helping. But those helping to brag about it... i pity them.
So if they put some memorial place into the actual game then from my point of view... That would make me just feel sick. It would be like "Are you grieving over Boston tragedy? Come grieve to our game."

[~Sergeant_Giggles]

Each ribbon costs about a buck give or take, if you bought your points rather then ground them out.

So i bought a ribbon.

They got a buck.

It's not ridiculous.

It's quite literally, and by their own kinda-round-about-wishy-washy admission, true.

You buy a ribbon - they get a buck.

I know they meant well and i support the memorial and effort but thay have to change that one thing.

It changes the whole flavor of a noble effort.

"TURBINE SELLS BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING RIBBONS AND KEEPS PROFITS."

^^^ That's the headline. ^^^

:-O

Now honestly tell me, smart move or dumb move?

Quite a dumb move if it weren't for the whole "we're also giving donations at the corporate level" thing which you either forgot to mention or weren't aware of.

Of course, if they weren't Turbine they could have found a way to directly donate all ribbon revenue, but, in their defense, they are Turbine.

[~popejubal]

Not to go off-topic, but I have never said such a thing, and if it was said by someone else, it would be an inaccurate statement.

To address a couple of folks' concerns: We are making a donation to The One Fund. If you choose not to use a coupon for the item, that purchase does not directly affect the donation we're making, which is why we were careful not to state it as such in our description of the effort. Initially, that was the plan, but various legal and technical hurdles prevented us from going that route. Instead, we're simply making a donation at the corporate level to the fund. Details will be forthcoming when it's all worked out.

This is very disappointing.

I appreciate that Turbine is going to make a donation at the corporate level. I think that's a nice thing to do. I even understand why you implemented the shoulder ribbon. Keeping money that people spent to get that ribbon instead of donating 100% of it to The One Fund is really horrible. It gives the appearance of profiteering even if that profiteering is accidental because you can't figure out how to calculate how many actual TP are spent on that item. If money is not going to The One Fund directly from every single Turbine Point spent on those ribbons, then it is important for you to DIRECTLY state that on the item's description. Right now, players could easily have the impression that money they spend on the ribbon (to "raise awareness") will actually go to The One Fund. I am glad that you at least changed the store item's description to mention the coupon code.

Turbine comes up with some truly great ideas. You guys really disappoint us with your execution far too often, though.

[~popejubal]

By the way, when I typed that post and hit "Submit Reply", the DDO Forums logged me out. I'm disappointed, but not surprised by this PR fiasco because this sort of thing is endemic in the entire company's efforts.

[~Ovrad-Kab]

I find it very troubling that people are upset that Turbine or whoever is showing support for this tragedy. Why are so many people so full of hate? The belief that Turbine is using the bombing as a way to make a buck or in any way not show tribute to the fallen and injured is ridiculous.
I am very sure that those who respond to every post they disagree with, multiple times, will do the same with mine but I just dont see whats wrong with this.
I love DDO and the fact they show that they care about others, to me, is a good thing.

The problem does not lie in the "support" aspect, but rather in the "donation" aspect. I do not think anyone doubts that Turbine supports this cause, it's very clear they are trying to help.

However, the ribbon sale is misleading. It has all the aspects of a fund-raiser, you can get it for free to raise awareness, or buy it for 100 TP. A lot of players assume since you can pay for it that the money will be donate to the cause. But Turbine has yet to confirm that, hence why people are getting upset. That 1$ could've been given to the cause directly instead if the information was made clear by Turbine right from the start. Now we don't know where it's going, maybe Turbine will include the sale profits in their donation, or maybe not, nothing has been confirmed yet.

[~Elaynne]

If it is really Turbine's intent to give the ribbons for free and not raise money with them why is the DDO Store being used to distribute them? They already knew they absolutely could not make them free in the store due to the way it is designed. Why not a NPC that hands them out to anyone who asks for one? Or a vendor that sells them for plat, or just added to existing vendors? Or they could have just passed them out like the birthday boxes and such.

With the current setup with 100 TP price and the coupon for free ones, it certainly looks like a fund raiser for this one fund. Its certain that there will be mistakes or people who don't check into it thoroughly and therefore pay TP thinking its going to the charity. Even if they mean it to be free, Turbine is still pocketing the proceeds for these mistakes.

[phillymiket]

The previous thread closing, though mysterious to me, got me thinking about how the DDO staff is reading these threads.

I would like to apologize to Turbine for any insult they may feel as a result of my posts.

For all I know the people who thought of this ribbon may be personal friends with people missing legs from that horrible event.

So if great offense has been taken then I am truly sorry for it.

I hope you can see my point of view, because I still feel the way I do, but understand if you don't, and I thank you for the effort even if I still offer the same advice with regard to IMO the ill-advised manner in which you set up this wonderful idea.

This is one of those rare disagreements where almost everyone's heart is in the right place.

[~wellpers]

We clearly make the code available through numerous channels, although I'd be happy to also add it to the launcher. The item is not on sale for 1 TP due to historical precedence in which putting something on sale for that amount has caused technical issues with the DDO Store. We want people to use the free coupons, which is why we have worked extensively to get the coupon code out to the public. Feel free to assist us by spreading the word of it to your friends and guildies as well.

It's very hard to take these type of posts seriously. If you really just wanted to give people ribbons to show their support you could have just delivered them directly to inventory like you did with the birthday boxes. Instead someone came up with the idea to put them in the store knowing full some people will accidently pay for it and some people will pay for it thinking the money is going to the victims even though no such promise is made.

I think giving money to charity was a corporate decision and a good one. I think putting this item in the store was a completely differerent corporate decision made by different people and a very bad decision. It's great that you gave to charity as likely 100% of all other fortune 500 companies will also do. It's a bit unfortunate that you tainted this action with the decision to put this item in the store.

And for those at Turbine that just went along with the decision, stand up for what is right next time.

[Stanley_Nicholas]

Distribution of ribbons shouldn't have been done through the store at all if the intention was for everyone who wants one to get it for free. They should have made it so you just click on the memorial in the marketplace and you get a ribbon in your inventory. Bam, simple and straightforward, without the problems of putting it in the store with the poorly-advertised an entirely unnecessary option between spending TP on it for no reason or else getting it for free.

[~eonone]

What I want to know is; if the 100 tp purchase price doesn't actually go to the One Fund charity, then what makes it a "One Fund Memorial Ribbon"?

Is there any actual affiliation to the One Fund charity? Or is it just a ribbon using the Marathon colors?

Because if the proceeds don't actually go to One Fund, then this is not actually a "One Fund Memorial Ribbon" is it? It's just a "Turbine Memorial Ribbon" using the association of "One Fund" to "raise awareness", but not actually contributing directly to "One Fund".

Is One Fund even aware that Turbine has associated a virtual item with One Fund's cause, for which Turbine has not made any obligation to actually donate any proceeds generated?

The idea that if I spent 100 TP for the ribbon and that instead of going to the cause it just sits in Turbine's coffers, just quite frankly disgusts me.

What I want from Turbine is an explanation of what is done with any purchases of the ribbons. If the proceeds do not go to One Fund then I suggest everyone who has made a purchase of the ribbon to demand reimbursement.

[Lumi_of_Irian]

What incentive is there for us to deliberately choose to donate 100 TP to the fund through the store, by purchasing a ribbon, if none of that TP has any effect whatsoever on Turbine's donated amount?

[MuleAxe]

Stop the BS. Recognize the effort for what it is; recognition of those who were affected by the bombings. This is exceedingly noble of Turbine to do something like this. I'll be proudly wearing my ribbon; not expecting anything for doing it, not looking for an incentive, and certainly not criticizing the company for taking the game down for a short amount of time to do it.

[Cordovan]

What incentive is there for us to deliberately choose to donate 100 TP to the fund through the store, by purchasing a ribbon, if none of that TP has any effect whatsoever on Turbine's donated amount?

You should not be purchasing the ribbons with Turbine Points to donate to the fund. To donate to the fund, click here. (https://secure.onefundboston.org/page/-/donate9.html)

We are, however, giving the ribbons away for free. Use the coupon code BOSTON at checkout. You can have up to 10/account for free.

We are also making a corporate donation to The One Fund, but this is not linked to the ribbon. We'll have info on that later. Thanks!

[icekinslayer]

Stop the BS. Recognize the effort for what it is; recognition of those who were affected by the bombings. This is exceedingly noble of Turbine to do something like this. I'll be proudly wearing my ribbon; not expecting anything for doing it, not looking for an incentive, and certainly not criticizing the company for taking the game down for a short amount of time to do it.

QFT.

You haters( read that as people who assume Turbine is doing this to profit ), need to read the main post notifying us about the One Fund, then hang your heads in shame for being blatantly ignorant. Disgusting. Did your reading skills fail to find the coupon code BOSTON somewhere in that post? Did you see something shiny (in game ribbon) in the store for 100TP and immediately buy it so you could come back to the forums and complain that Turbine stole your money?

[seebs]

What I want to know is; if the 100 tp purchase price doesn't actually go to the One Fund charity, then what makes it a "One Fund Memorial Ribbon"?

The colors and stated symbolism, I guess?

Ribbon is free, that's why they have a coupon code.

[autobandit]

I'm very wary of how Turbine is handling this situation. There is a very high level of scrutiny when corporations represent a cause/non-profit and if found guilty of wrongdoing, they risk a LOT of fines. I work in development at a university and if we collect ANY money (5 cent, $1, or $100,000) the customer has the RIGHT to receive a receipt for tax purposes.

The reason why I say this: someone who spends TP on this virtual ribbon (used to "raise awareness") can misconstrue it as a donation. That's problem #1. If they expected or demanded a receipt they would either receive one or not receive one. This then gives the appearance that TP has monetary value (and is potentially being used as currency) or that they are misrepresenting their philanthropic efforts (respectively). That's problem #2. Problem #3 is then the IRS can investigate Turbine for fraud (either with The One Fund or with TP or both).

Words of caution...

[~Absolution1]

Count me as not impressed.

[phillymiket]

You haters( read that as people who assume Turbine is doing this to profit ), need to read the main post notifying us about the One Fund, then hang your heads in shame for being blatantly ignorant. Disgusting. Did your reading skills fail to find the coupon code BOSTON somewhere in that post? Did you see something shiny (in game ribbon) in the store for 100TP and immediately buy it so you could come back to the forums and complain that Turbine stole your money? Stupid.

Ok.
Unless I'm mistaken this is how this went down from point of view.
When the item came out it did NOT have the code in the description.
That was changed later.
Here is a quote from Cordo that indicates that


In regards to the Store item description: Yes, it would have been nice to put the coupon code in there. LOTRO was able to get it in in time, but due to various technicalities, DDO didn't get it in in time for Monday's maintenance. So, we opted to instead put the description in the article and promote it through our public channels.
I logged in and opened the store for other reasons.
I saw the ribbon and it really appeared to me to be a donation to The One Fund.
I came on to the forums and to my surprise read the money went to Turbine profits.
I asked a simple question "Where did my 100 TP go?"
My question was not answered but instead some lawyery double speak was offered.
The description has since been changed.
Had a straightforward response been offered I would probably have shut right up.

Let's not misrepresent each other.

I'm not going to hide my head in shame because I'm not against The One Fund or even DDOs involvement but only the way they set this up.

The fact that they changed the description to add the code indicates they realize it was confusing so I don't feel ignorant or feel I need to revisit my reading skills.

I'm not a hater just someone who thought they were contributing to a great fund, found out I had thrown my money in a hole, didn't get a satisfying acknowledgement of that fact, and was asking for a change to the system.

That's all.

I'm over this and done with it but had to point out to the back half of this thread to go back and read the front half of this thread and read how this has developed.

Peace all.

[Silverleafeon]

I like the ribbons they are nice since they last forever and I can swap them around as I please.
They look pretty on my toon.

Realizing that they were more permanent than the one shot "I won", I got 5 more with my 10 per account coupon.

Today after pondering the situation a bit more, and glancing at this thread, I decided to contribute,
something I definitely would not have done otherwise.

Those of you concerned about where YOUR TP went, rest assured that a situation of this nature has an obvious solution,
which I acted upon while clicking the "Other" checkmark in a way that was more than enough for multiple mistakes...

And now when Fawn clicks on her ribbon, she remembers the angel of mercy passed on by her.

[seebs]

I asked a simple question "Where did my 100 TP go?"
My question was not answered but instead some lawyery double speak was offered.

That's because it is absolutely, totally, logically impossible for your question to have an answer.

It's not that they aren't willing to tell you. It's that the question is meaningless. TP aren't money. They don't have a monetary value. They don't even have a remotely consistent monetary cost. There is no way to translate from TP to dollars. So TP don't go anywhere. And they can't. And the question is meaningless and can't be answered. It has no answer.

There is no way for anyone to know how much money is associated with any TP spent on these ribbons. We can't meaningfully answer that question. So there's no way for them to do anything with "the money from this", because we don't know which money that was, or even how much of it there was.

[HotMaarl]

Instead of lawyering this topic seven ways from sunday, can't you just support the cause as intended...or leave it alone? It's really not that complicated, so long as this doesn't lead to virtual Coke Machines in the Harbor.

2 cents

[LrdSlvrhnd]

I like the ribbons. A glowy floaty thing over my shoulder is fun. They need more of these!

I also initially thought that purchasing the ribbons would've been a straight donation to the One Fund; however, the description (at least currently) clearly states it's to raise awareness of it, and i was fortunate enough to get on AFTER seeing the code. So color me "not unhappy".

Although Turbine could (and should) increase the number of uses of the code - say, to "unlimited."

[~Lorien_]

QFT.

You haters( read that as people who assume Turbine is doing this to profit ), need to read the main post notifying us about the One Fund, then hang your heads in shame for being blatantly ignorant. Disgusting. Did your reading skills fail to find the coupon code BOSTON somewhere in that post? Did you see something shiny (in game ribbon) in the store for 100TP and immediately buy it so you could come back to the forums and complain that Turbine stole your money? Stupid.

It's funny how now that neg rep is gone we can see people's neg rep history lol

[Chai]

It's funny how now that neg rep is gone we can see people's neg rep history lol

Yeap, save for those whose posting privy was revoked ages ago who took advantage of this whole forum fiasco to make new accounts for the purpose of reviving some old habbits.

[~bluecheeseweed]

seems like people will complain about anything=( and i thought all the trolls were on facebook.lol