Question about the Blue Dragon in Tor

[Dorian]

I was told that it's best to prep the giant before taking down any health on the blue dragon.

Supposedly, when the dragon's health gets low, the lightning traps get worse.

Is this true? Or is it... the longer the fight lasts... the more damage the lightning does?

Thanks.

[9Crows]

the longer the fight the worse the damage....almost everyone preps both at the same time...

[Dorian]

the longer the fight the worse the damage....almost everyone preps both at the same time...

That's what I thought.

But recently (on Argo), I've had 2 different groups say to prep the giant first while one person kites dragon.

I wanted someone else to confirm... the longer the fight takes... the worse the damage.

Thanks.

[smatt]

That's what I thought.

But recently (on Argo), I've had 2 different groups say to prep the giant first while one person kites dragon.

I wanted someone else to confirm... the longer the fight takes... the worse the damage.

Thanks.


Ya some cat said that this morning..... I didn't bother to respond... It's all about how long the fight takes not the amount of damage the dragon has taken...

[Eilierie]

not trying to be a smart &&& but does it really take longer than 30 secs to kill em both ?

[Dorian]

not trying to be a smart &&& but does it really take longer than 30 secs to kill em both ?

with gimps like me in the group. yes ;)

[9Crows]

there seems to be a new ddo myth born every week ...heard someone screaming at people in a tor the other day that looting the gold first increases rares and scales

[smatt]

there seems to be a new ddo myth born every week ...heard someone screaming at people in a tor the other day that looting the gold first increases rares and scales

Only if you face north while doing so...

[Eilierie]

with gimps like me in the group. yes ;)

I seriously doubt that anyone is gimpier than I :p :)

[smatt]

I seriously doubt that anyone is gimpier than I :p :)


Oh the group I was in this morning on my poor cleric could likely have proved you wrong....... :eek::D I actually had to work to heal a EH Tor.... Not just now and again.. But pretty much the entire time.. newer players I guess...... Except for the know-it-all (but wrong) annoying bouncy ranger..... ;)

[jjflanigan]

there seems to be a new ddo myth born every week ...heard someone screaming at people in a tor the other day that looting the gold first increases rares and scales

Bah, everyone knows you just have to use diplomacy on the gold to get scales.

-JJ

[Eilierie]

Bah, everyone knows you just have to use diplomacy on the gold to get scales.

-JJ

AFTER you bless it !!! :eek:

:cool:

[Blackwolfe]

AFTER you bless it !!! :eek:

:cool:

Come on!!

Everyone that is anyone knows that to get the real special stuff out of a chest you have to shadowhump it first. 50% of the time it works everytime!

[Pape_27]

AFTER you bless it !!! :eek:

:cool:

total noobs.

dontcha know you have to hit the chests with cometfall to knock the good stuff loose?

[cdr]

The trap damage increases over time but it does cap out. With full absorption the full trap damage is quite survivable even on EE, though pugs have trouble oftentimes even with EH.

[ThePrisoner]

plus one

[Jay203]

total noobs.

dontcha know you have to hit the chests with cometfall to knock the good stuff loose?

/fail
you actually have to cast greater teleport to portable hole on it to get the best loot possible from chests

[redspecter23]

there seems to be a new ddo myth born every week ...heard someone screaming at people in a tor the other day that looting the gold first increases rares and scales

I'll tell you what looting the gold piles first does increase... the odds of someone (ok myself) accidentally hitting the portal out before looting the chest. So, after that happens the 5th time or so, you (as in my own dumb self) start looting the chest first.

[Blackwolfe]

/fail
you actually have to cast greater teleport to portable hole on it to get the best loot possible from chests

I have found that the best way to bless the chests in the final part of the shroud is to drop an unexpected ddoor on the left-most chest. People seem to always get excited about the blessed loot so that they send me tells for a while afterward.

/enjoy

[Menace13]

The electric traps stack and lower reflex saves. I've had a reflex of 60 go down to the 20s, also the debuff increases vulnerability.

[SEMPER]

Have you tested it ? Because we have we prepped the giant and the traps were nothing and as soon as the dragon's health started to go down the traps got worse feel free to step in and run around for a few mins and see if the traps get worse over time ... but either way it goes smoother if everyone preps the giant then all dps is focused on the dragon IMO

[silence383]

Ok did not read this thing but the giants health in the years I have been doing it goes faster than the dragon. As for increasing trap damage deal have never really noticed you just have to kill them within like 10 seconds of each other or so.

Personally I have never noticed an increase in damage from traps at any point..hope that helps.

[Eth]

The trap damage increases over time if you looted the gold piles in the black dragon room before the chest, otherwise it increases by the damage you deal to the 3rd spawning air elemental - do not kill that elemental at all costs!

If you didn't do the black dragon before though, theres some other mechanics involved, which is also true if you blessed the gold in the black dragon room.

Spread this information, it's 100% accurate.

[Eth]

On a more serious note...

To me it's obviously time dependant. From personal experiences:

- If you have a quick fight - let's say 1 minute - the damage should be quite high at the end of it, if it was based on the damage dealt to the dragon. From my observations this is not the case. It's still very low.

- However if you have a long fight with poor damage - let's say 4-5 minutes and dragon still at 40%, the damage is getting pretty deadly already.

Also it's not only the damage that is increasing, it's also the DCs of the traps.
On my sorc (with evasion) I get pretty much no damage at the start of the fight.
After 5 minutes I fail pretty much every save (ok, it rarely happens that it takes that long :D).

[Viisari]

not trying to be a smart &&& but does it really take longer than 30 secs to kill em both ?

30 seconds is what characters with huge burst dps are capable of in optimal conditions.

For most it can take up to several minutes, and even people with that huge burst can't always take them down that quickly if their execution isn't perfect.

[Tid12]

Test it out next time:

"Kite" the dragon and the giant around for a couple of minutes, without hitting them a single time. If the traps will start to deal 60~ dmg per tick, then it would be obviously based over time. If they will keep hitting you for ~20, then it is based on dragon's health.

[Barak666]

Long time since I did Tor, so don't know if it changed since, but if you don't step on the gold in the blue dragon room, and stay on the ground patches you shouldn't be hit by the trap, so you can take the time you want to kill them both.

[Dorian]

On a more serious note...

To me it's obviously time dependant. From personal experiences:

- If you have a quick fight - let's say 1 minute - the damage should be quite high at the end of it, if it was based on the damage dealt to the dragon. From my observations this is not the case. It's still very low.

- However if you have a long fight with poor damage - let's say 4-5 minutes and dragon still at 40%, the damage is getting pretty deadly already.

Also it's not only the damage that is increasing, it's also the DCs of the traps.
On my sorc (with evasion) I get pretty much no damage at the start of the fight.
After 5 minutes I fail pretty much every save (ok, it rarely happens that it takes that long :D).

This.

[smatt]

On a more serious note...

To me it's obviously time dependant. From personal experiences:

- If you have a quick fight - let's say 1 minute - the damage should be quite high at the end of it, if it was based on the damage dealt to the dragon. From my observations this is not the case. It's still very low.

- However if you have a long fight with poor damage - let's say 4-5 minutes and dragon still at 40%, the damage is getting pretty deadly already.

Also it's not only the damage that is increasing, it's also the DCs of the traps.
On my sorc (with evasion) I get pretty much no damage at the start of the fight.
After 5 minutes I fail pretty much every save (ok, it rarely happens that it takes that long :D).

Of course it's time dependant.... They didn't change it from the orginal Tor.....

I've learned never to listen to rangers with funny accents... :eek::D

[JustWinBaby]

Long time since I did Tor, so don't know if it changed since, but if you don't step on the gold in the blue dragon room, and stay on the ground patches you shouldn't be hit by the trap, so you can take the time you want to kill them both.

This. Fight the Dragon on the ground, by the force field, and no need to worry about traps. Fight shouldn't take longer than a couple of minutes. Prep them at same time.

[Nibor]

I think this came from someone posting it as an offhand comment in another thread in the forum, which I am having a hard time locating as I don't recall the context of the thread. No one responded to it in that thread, I don't think, so people may have read it and assumed it was true.

[maddmatt70]

Have you tested it ? Because we have we prepped the giant and the traps were nothing and as soon as the dragon's health started to go down the traps got worse feel free to step in and run around for a few mins and see if the traps get worse over time ... but either way it goes smoother if everyone preps the giant then all dps is focused on the dragon IMO

This is illogical. Go in there and do not do any damage to either target and you will find that the traps do more damage over time as time passes. It really is very easy to test. Just go in there and there and do so. Well often regarding the dragon - if a group does not have a tank or is not all ranged characters then having players on different targets is best because some characters are better suited to dps certain targets so it is more efficient to have them dps those targets from the start.

[squishwizzy]

not trying to be a smart &&& but does it really take longer than 30 secs to kill em both ?

That depends on the group...

[squishwizzy]

This. Fight the Dragon on the ground, by the force field, and no need to worry about traps. Fight shouldn't take longer than a couple of minutes. Prep them at same time.

Nope.

You *will* take damage at the force field. I've heard this before, but stragely enough I take electrical damage even when I'm not fighting the dragon. This is when my wizzy was a fleshy AM, and the trap damage was really easy to see when it happened.

I've tried experimenting by jumping up on the base of column near the barrier. That seems to work pretty well. I'm not seeing the electrical damage tics from the trap, though it is hard to tell when you're in the middle of a fight, are inadvertantly tanking the dragon, and have a couple of death auras going. tracing down when you're taking trap damage when everybody else has shrined and started moving on to the next dragon is a tad on the difficult side...

But jumping on to the base of the column seems to at least minimize the trap damage from what I can tell.

[brickwall]

Just want to make note that changes where recently made to Tor and we use to just fight them next to the barrier with out trap problems. they changed it the lighting trap covers the entire ground now it don't matter where you stand you will get hit with lightning. I have not made any in-depth checks in to all changes made but many changes are noticeable.

[squishwizzy]

Just want to make note that changes where recently made to Tor and we use to just fight them next to the barrier with out trap problems. they changed it the lighting trap covers the entire ground now it don't matter where you stand you will get hit with lightning. I have not made any in-depth checks in to all changes made but many changes are noticeable.

Seriously, try jumping up to that small ridge at the bottom of the column near the barrier. I think that's a safe spot.

[JustWinBaby]

Nope.

You *will* take damage at the force field. I've heard this before, but stragely enough I take electrical damage even when I'm not fighting the dragon.

The damage you take at the force field is from the Dragon, not the traps, if I remember correctly.

[SEMPER]

This is illogical. Go in there and do not do any damage to either target and you will find that the traps do more damage over time as time passes. It really is very easy to test. Just go in there and there and do so. Well often regarding the dragon - if a group does not have a tank or is not all ranged characters then having players on different targets is best because some characters are better suited to dps certain targets so it is more efficient to have them dps those targets from the start.

So test it and post the results here I'm busy at the moment , but I know how we do it and it's a smooth completion other people do things differently and have smooth runs , but honestly I don't care what you think is logical or illogical ...I have my opinion you have yours get over it

[Ultimaetus]

I can confirm after an EE run that the damage will continue to ramp up regardless of the damage dealt to the dragon

at 142 Lightning resist and energy sheath and 33% absorp from ring of djinn it started off as no dmg and slowly ramped up to around 6-7 per trap up to around 20-25 per trap until I was rethrowing protection from elements every other cast or so and eventually you just get overwhelmed.

[Kallith]

The timer on the trap damage starts when the dragon is aggro'd, and you get the message about the dragons breath igniting the gold. It is possible to not aggro the dragon, but you it needs timing and not lagging going through the portal.

[9Crows]

So test it and post the results here I'm busy at the moment , but I know how we do it and it's a smooth completion other people do things differently and have smooth runs , but honestly I don't care what you think is logical or illogical ...I have my opinion you have yours get over it

whether or not dragon damage starts trap damage is not an opinion but a hard coded true/false fact

so therefore there is a logical and illogical position (if the goal is to determine the veracity of a fact)

best method of fighting bosses would be an opinon...usually based on observation which as always is skewed by he observer

[moo_cow]

Nope.

You *will* take damage at the force field. I've heard this before, but stragely enough I take electrical damage even when I'm not fighting the dragon. This is when my wizzy was a fleshy AM, and the trap damage was really easy to see when it happened.

I've tried experimenting by jumping up on the base of column near the barrier. That seems to work pretty well. I'm not seeing the electrical damage tics from the trap, though it is hard to tell when you're in the middle of a fight, are inadvertantly tanking the dragon, and have a couple of death auras going. tracing down when you're taking trap damage when everybody else has shrined and started moving on to the next dragon is a tad on the difficult side...

But jumping on to the base of the column seems to at least minimize the trap damage from what I can tell.

I thought that one of the orbs in the room would be high enough to avoid the damage and I thought it would work as I did it on a hard run not noticing the evades obviously. But, at the highest point you can get to in the room on the white orb I was still taking the damage each time.

[SEMPER]

whether or not dragon damage starts trap damage is not an opinion but a hard coded true/false fact

so therefore there is a logical and illogical position (if the goal is to determine the veracity of a fact)

best method of fighting bosses would be an opinon...usually based on observation which as always is skewed by he observer

You say its a true hard coded fact I don't recall seeing any test results from it and I've been around a long time , but honestly I don't really care all I care about is our method works so skewed or not I'll take it