Why Join BYOH

[Purgatory]

If you cant or wont heal yourself effectively for the level of the content being played.


Then get madd at the Party Leader for not wanting to group with you again.


If someone cant show enough respect by abiding to BYOHealing groups expectations of actualy healing yourself then

Why should they show you any respect from that point on?

[Kalari]

lol Purg you are going to rile people up with this one :p

Don't you know we who post BYOH are EBIL I mean we kick puppies and take candy from babies and are so mean to every one. How dare we play the game our way don't you know its all about TEAM WORK !)!@) rage rawrs! lol

[AzB]

If you cant or wont heal yourself effectively for the level of the content being played.


Then get madd at the Party Leader for not wanting to group with you again.


If someone cant show enough respect by abiding to BYOHealing groups expectations of actualy healing yourself then

Why should they show you any respect from that point on?

Because your comments said BYOH, and Open Bar?

I don't know what BYOH means, but I know free drinks when I see 'em!

[stoerm]

Because there are lazy, ignorant, self centered people with a sense of entitlement out there. There always are and will be.

"I don't care what BYOH means. I can join any group I want. Not helping me? You elitist son of a motherless goat!"

[Ganolyn]

*waits for Chilldude to show up*

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[Caine33]

If you cant or wont heal yourself effectively for the level of the content being played.


Then get madd at the Party Leader for not wanting to group with you again.


If someone cant show enough respect by abiding to BYOHealing groups expectations of actualy healing yourself then

Why should they show you any respect from that point on?

These are better than the saturday morning specials that showed how a law was passed!

+1

At least you are airing constructive threads to keep the average DDO'ers mind occuppied.

[Kmnh]

A character that can't heal itself effectively can still be useful to a party. Avoiding aggro is a thing. Drink potions as needed and keep going :)

That said, I hate playing characters with no self-healing. Counting on other people to tank mobs or set the pace of the party is not fun.

[eden2760]

*waits for Chilldude to show up*

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Darnit, you beat me to it!

[eden2760]

In all seriousness, I'll join one (provided I don't see any well-known gimps in the group) because I'll assume the member(s) are self-sufficient, and don't get distracted by every flower along the path.

[Juduss]

Actually had my first experience with this 8ish hours before the shut down. Being short on time & all, I wasn't full of my usuall patients and posted an "IP elite fast farm BYOH/know how" Delera's P4. One particular joiner (an Arti at that) A) didn't know what to do, evidenced early on by pulling lots of switches, not just the one needed, and then looking lost when the party split; and B) never self healed dispite being nearly dead after the 1st encounter. Fortunately a kind FS in the group said "stick with me" and all went well, no real discussion taking place as we got our xp fast & furious style.

Post farming he openly admitted to having not really know the quest, let alone how to "fast farm it." Neither did he have so much as a handful of cure pots. When asked "then why did you join my lfm?" The reply was simply that he needed the xp (on a 1st life) and "how are new ppl expected to know these acronyms?" I suggested that when he sees notes in an lfm that are unfamiliar, he should ask what they are before joining. Had the FS not been kind (or present for that matter) he would've simply been -10%, a penalty that really adds up accross multiple runs like that.

Left me shaking my head in RL while discussing & linking various bits of basic survival gear (pots/scrolls). Hopefully he went and did some shopping.

[eden2760]

Actually had my first experience with this 8ish hours before the shut down. Being short on time & all, I wasn't full of my usuall patients and posted an "IP elite fast farm BYOH/know how" Delera's P4. One particular joiner (an Arti at that) A) didn't know what to do, evidenced early on by pulling lots of switches, not just the one needed, and then looking lost when the party split; and B) never self healed dispite being nearly dead after the 1st encounter. Fortunately a kind FS in the group said "stick with me" and all went well, no real discussion taking place as we got our xp fast & furious style.

Post farming he openly admitted to having not really know the quest, let alone how to "fast farm it." Neither did he have so much as a handful of cure pots. When asked "then why did you join my lfm?" The reply was simply that he needed the xp (on a 1st life) and "how are new ppl expected to know these acronyms?" I suggested that when he sees notes in an lfm that are unfamiliar, he should ask what they are before joining. Had the FS not been kind (or present for that matter) he would've simply been -10%, a penalty that really adds up accross multiple runs like that.

Left me shaking my head in RL while discussing & linking various bits of basic survival gear (pots/scrolls). Hopefully he went and did some shopping.

I feel you, and this is something that bothers me more than any other thing in DDO whatsoever.

To my mind, when I post an lfm, the lfm text constitutes ENTRY REQUIREMENTS. If you don't read it, it's not my problem, because I'll boot you for being willfully illiterate.

I'm amazed how many times I ask the question "Did you read the lfm", which merits either silence, or "no".

I've said it before and I'll say it again... sometimes I think people play DDO with a braile monitor, while wearing boxing gloves in the middle of a seizure.

[Qhualor]

because BYOH doesnt tell the whole story about what to expect. people dont have the same interpretation of BYOH. some are zerg BYOH. some are team effort BYOH that will still help each other with heals. some are ok with a hire as a BYOH.

if you want a smoother BYOH run, than you need to be more descriptive in the lfm and communicate understanding with who joins, otherwise, interpretations can make a BYOH run into a BYOH grief run.

i do agree that everyone does need to bring their own self healing and plenty of it to at least last the duration of the quest.

[eden2760]

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if you want a smoother BYOH run, than you need to be more descriptive in the lfm and communicate understanding with who joins, otherwise, interpretations can make a BYOH run into a BYOH grief run.


Agreed.

It's all on the poster to squeeze everything into the allotted text.

After all, we can't have people go around sending tells for more information before joining parties. The player community would crumble.

[mobrien316]

BYOH (in all its iterations) is a valid style of play. It is no more selfish or elitist than "zerging" or "fast run" or "farming hard x7" or "fast run, no opts" or "flower-sniffing/no spoilers." If you don't know precisely what BYOH means to the party leader, send a tell.


What I really don't get is the people who join parties (BYOH or not) that obviously don't have a healer, and then they complain endlessly that there is no one to heal them. If you are a fighter with no UMD, don't join that party of five warforged wizards and expect that one of them will heal you. You would think that goes without saying, but I've seen it happen.

[Kalari]

BYOH (in all its iterations) is a valid style of play. It is no more selfish or elitist than "zerging" or "fast run" or "farming hard x7" or "fast run, no opts" or "flower-sniffing/no spoilers." If you don't know precisely what BYOH means to the party leader, send a tell.


What I really don't get is the people who join parties (BYOH or not) that obviously don't have a healer, and then they complain endlessly that there is no one to heal them. If you are a fighter with no UMD, don't join that party of five warforged wizards and expect that one of them will heal you. You would think that goes without saying, but I've seen it happen.

Careful Mobrien if Chilldude sees you posting this stuff he will come after you in all his forum fury in any thread you post even if it has nothing to do with the topic...

oh oops too late for that one :D

[bartharok]

Oh,no not another byoh thread...

[Taryana]

Why join BYOH group? Because everyone knows BYOH groups are vet groups and vet peeps tend to provide you with fat xp in no time. I'd call it 'ninja piking' ;)

[Ivan_Milic]

I would never join byoh groups because they are racist.

[Purgatory]

I would never join byoh groups because they are racist.

Wait what?


BYOH only means Bring your own healing

it has nothing to do with receing

[NaturalHazard]

meh I join most byoh because I mostly do byoh. If they get mad about not meeting your expectations and then you not letting them do the rest of the quests then thats their problem.


I would never join byoh groups because they are racist.

I thought it had more to do with class than race? Can't have them barbaric peasants joining, they with dirty the furniture with their grubby hands, and can't even read most likely!!!

[1Soulless1]

Why join BYOH group? Because everyone knows BYOH groups are vet groups and vet peeps tend to provide you with fat xp in no time. I'd call it 'ninja piking' ;)

QFT, now all we need is chili here 'I wonder if his spider senses are tingling?'

[Kalari]

I would never join byoh groups because they are racist.
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[leadhead]

Heal Please!

[Taryana]

I would never join byoh groups because they are racist.
You mean they enter the RACE mode at dungeon entrance and reach dungeon end while you are still buffing? ;)

[Ivan_Milic]

Lol,yall fell for that,not playing ddo really does have side effects.

[Musouka]

All these threads do is just make me think of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SeCOfNWjJUs

[Funny_looking_mole]

I would never join byoh groups because they are racist.

Although in jest, there are some races that tend to be better at self healing than others: Warforged (for arcane spellcasters), Half Elf's (for Dilettante) and Hafling (House J Dragonmarks). And while not penalized, there are certain races that have a tendency to be played by people that can't/won't self heal: Half Orc, Warforged (non-arcane spellcasters), Drow, and elf.

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

I would never join byoh groups because they are racist.

Yeah, word up! My BFS has had enough of those BYOHalfling groups... :D

[Ssaparra]

First off, I have no issue with folks running "BYOH" groups and even joined quite a few in my time. I recognize it as a preferred playstyle for folks who just want to get the job done efficiently without having to constantly babysit redbars.

Not reading the LFG is a pet peeve of mine, but I also try to keep in mind that some new folks coming in to the game may not understand what all these wonderful acronyms mean. Also, I have run into people who are painfully shy and/or are afraid of appearing like a fool so they will often not reveal up front that they do not know something. There is also the factor that we have folks in DDO who do not have English as their first language.

When I run groups, I do my best to make sure everyone who joins understands what we will be doing. If for some reason I get the impression that someone does not understand, I will normally bring that conversation into tells as not to embarrass them further. More often than not, I discover the person who didn't quite grasp what I was asking for in the LFG fits one of the three scenarios described in my previous paragraph.

Communication is key. It is always a good idea to keep in mind that the problem may not always be a case of willful ignorance or someone wanting to pike for exp. You may even make a friend or two that way. :)

[Merlin-ator]

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I thought it had more to do with class than race? Can't have them barbaric peasants joining, they with dirty the furniture with their grubby hands, and can't even read most likely!!!

Oh, there you go again, bringin' closs into it....

[Orratti]

If you cant or wont heal yourself effectively for the level of the content being played.


Then get madd at the Party Leader for not wanting to group with you again.


If someone cant show enough respect by abiding to BYOHealing groups expectations of actualy healing yourself then

Why should they show you any respect from that point on?

We've run together before and it went well.

Your lfms are pretty cut and dry. If you bother to read them before you join you know that there isn't going to be any slack cut.

I haven't hit one in a long long time because frankly, I'm just too lazy to play at your level.

[Bunker]

Lets Keep it in the family!


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[Habreno]

meh I join most byoh because I mostly do byoh. If they get mad about not meeting your expectations and then you not letting them do the rest of the quests then thats their problem.



I thought it had more to do with class than race? Can't have them barbaric peasants joining, they with dirty the furniture with their grubby hands, and can't even read most likely!!!

RAWR. Angry Cleric so angry, Cleric forget take Cleric levels!