Petition: Give the designer of 'Fall of Truth' a pay increase

[sirgog]

That is all.

Outstanding raid. Fun from start to finish.

[UurlockYgmeov]

+1

[DemonStorm333]

+flimsy firewood would b the one to talk to he created the beauty that is this raid

[Shaatan]

The only thing this raid miss is a skip button for the cut scene at the beggining. The rest looks quite nice.

[Ginarrbrik]

The only thing this raid miss is a skip button for the cut scene at the beggining. The rest looks quite nice.

this.

but it's still definitely an amazing raid. I love it. please make more like this.

/SIGNED x100

[sirgog]

The only thing this raid miss is a skip button for the cut scene at the beggining. The rest looks quite nice.

Yeah this will become an issue after 10 or so runs. The cut scene is awesome but won't remain that way (cough, cough, TOD).

[Jitty]

/signed

Instant classic


yeah...the cut scene could get old. Awesome the first couple of times though.

[SEMPER]

/signed Definitely best raid out there now :D

[Viisari]

Ya its was pretty fun, and while CitW doesn't feel that terrible anymore this new one is really well designed.

[Tyrsis]

I'd have to agree, this raid was a blast!

[DemonStorm333]

T his raid blew my mind with all the secrets and surprises wanted to play it non stop all night lol

[Matuse]

Really needs a map though. Being able to give N/S/E/W directions would be sooooo helpful.

[oweieie]

That is all.

Outstanding raid. Fun from start to finish.

Um, yeah, that was said about the travesty that is LoB, and some said it about CitW too. I'll believe it when I see it.

[Grosbeak07]

Um, yeah, that was said about the travesty that is LoB, and some said it about CitW too. I'll believe it when I see it.

Believe the hype.

/signed

[Hendrik]

Um, yeah, that was said about the travesty that is LoB, and some said it about CitW too. I'll believe it when I see it.

Haters got to hate.

:mad:

[Hendrik]

]+flimsy firewood would b the one to talk to he created the beauty that is this rai[/B]d

And once again, Flimsy has come through!

FF has made some of my favorite DDO adventures, this one clearly tops the list!!!

Well done FF!!

:cool:

[DogMania]

Not a lot to say apart from
AMAZING
AWESOME
and obviously
Congratulations to the dev's involved

[Deathbrings]

Definitely new favorite raid, by a landslide! :). FF make more of this quality please.

[Vellrad]

Does loot designer counts as well?
I hope not...

[Qezuzu]

Um, yeah, that was said about the travesty that is LoB, and some said it about CitW too. I'll believe it when I see it.

You know nothing.

Not even people on Lammania liked CitW.

[Viisari]

Um, yeah, that was said about the travesty that is LoB, and some said it about CitW too. I'll believe it when I see it.

Huh? Lord of Blades is probably the best raid in the game.

[kzeast]

Um, yeah, that was said about the travesty that is LoB, and some said it about CitW too. I'll believe it when I see it.

I'd like to see that quote about CiTW...

And LoB is fine. MA on the other hand...

[sirgog]

I'd like to see that quote about CiTW...

And LoB is fine. MA on the other hand...

Am I the only person that actually likes MA a lot? I view the purple titan as a puzzle with multiple solutions.

LoB would still be popular if the stupid run in was removed and the totally broken loot tables fixed. At least for CITW, if I want commendations but can't organise an EE 2 chest run, I can still join a friend's EN 6 chest run and have some chance of getting what I'm after. LOB though - you have a situation where one person wants heroic normal drops and can't get anything out of other difficulties, another wants epic normal and a third person wants epic hard, making it almost impossible to form a group.

[Nephilia]

a little spoiler for our non-lammanians about how this raid works? *__*
I can't wait it to going live, to know!!!

[sirgog]

a little spoiler for our non-lammanians about how this raid works? *__*
I can't wait it to going live, to know!!!

Post 7 in http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=405011 is my summary.

[Nephilia]

Post 7 in http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=405011 is my summary.

ty a lot :) +1

[FlimsyFirewood]

/signed
:)

[SableShadow]

/signed
:)

Well played, sir. :D

[NytCrawlr]

Does loot designer counts as well?
I hope not...

Oh stop it. Feather does great loot work for the state of the game these days. If you don't like said state of the game that is another matter entirely.

Really wish I can get on Lam, client dies during loading screen though. Oh well, looking forward to running this on Live. :)

[NytCrawlr]

Am I the only person that actually likes MA a lot? I view the purple titan as a puzzle with multiple solutions.

I liked MA. I wish both it and LoB were ran more. MA just struggles with limited loot issues IMO. Hopefully they are part of a future pass.

[Opensezame]

/signed
:)

Im sure the bosses give themselves pay rises all the time... you really do deserve one!

+1

[sirgog]

/signed
:)

Lulz, now why didn't this come up in the Lama dev tracker?

Maybe it did, but the Turbine paymasters changed it just before they went and stuck the flourine in the water and faked another moon landing

[oradafu]

I liked MA. I wish both it and LoB were ran more. MA just struggles with limited loot issues IMO. Hopefully they are part of a future pass.

This is off topic of the thread, but if Heroic Commendations are going to be needed for multiple items after the Update, why not add them to the loot tables of E-LoB and E-MA? It would be an added incentive to run those raids, I would think.

[oweieie]

Failing on a 79 reflex save and haveing -50 reflex penalty on breaths sounds pretty ********, sorry. At least the devs finally clued into the fact that having one big bag of HPs does not work and have several mobs at once.

[Tid12]

Failing on a 79 reflex save and haveing -50 reflex penalty on breaths sounds pretty ********, sorry. At least the devs finally clued into the fact that having one big bag of HPs does not work and have several mobs at once.

Failed on a 79? That's just insane. EE?

[xTethx]

Failing on a 79 reflex save and haveing -50 reflex penalty on breaths sounds pretty ********, sorry. At least the devs finally clued into the fact that having one big bag of HPs does not work and have several mobs at once.

There is a bit of misinformation being spread here. You do not get -50 reflex by getting hit by the breath. Each time you are hit by one of the dragons breath 2 things happen. You make a save versus the breath, I believe each dragon has a certain save, one is reflex, one is fort, one is will. Now regardless if you save or not you are hit with their invulnerability. This invulnerability makes you susceptible to more dmg of the element of the dragon (ala electric for blue etc.), it also reduces your reflex save by -10. Now these invulnerabilities can stack up to 5 times per dragon. Each stack lasts 1 minute, and it is refreshed if hit by the same breath (ex. you have 2 stacks of black dragon breath at 10 sec left, you then are hit again by the black dragon breath, now you have 3 stacks at 1 min). These stacks will deteriorate each minute, so if you have 4 stacks you need to wait 4 minutes to get rid of the -40 reflex save and the respective vulnerability. Also, keep in mind you can be hit by multiple breaths so if you have 1 stack of blue dragon, 2 stacks of black dragon, and 1 stack of white dragon you have a -40 reflex save and vulnerabilities to cold, electric, and acid dmg. Sorry for the wall of text and hope this clears it up.

Edit: As for the DC of breath, I can attest to failing on a high 70's check versus the white dragon (reflex), I am a little unsure on the black dragon or blue dragon breath DC. And yes if you get hit by breath debuff you are pretty much toast on anything requiring a reflex save for elite epic.

[oweieie]

Edit: As for the DC of breath, I can attest to failing on a high 70's check versus the white dragon (reflex), I am a little unsure on the black dragon or blue dragon breath DC. And yes if you get hit by breath debuff you are pretty much toast on anything requiring a reflex save for elite epic.

Very very few characters can get into the 80s to make that save even without the debuff. Not all that many characters can reliably make saves even in the 50s. It seems like they've just said "**** it, the game is broken" and didn't try to balance anything and just assume you're going to have a full set of energy absorption items.

[Spoonwelder]

No knowledge of the raid but usually when they put that kind of thing in a quest/raid - you are supposed to avoid being hit by it entirely.....ie. Velah and VoN6 - the rocks are there for a reason.

I am somewhat sure that all the braniacs out there will figure out a way to minimize the impact of this debuff (tank swapping, kiting, superuberness etc..). If though the raid is structured such that there are no solutions then yes that is bad design. From the rave reviews though I am guess that isn't the case.

Ooh and on the rave reviews - I can only say it makes me want to get more of my characters up to L25 with a full set of twists.....so I am not totally gimped in these quests.

[sirgog]

There is a bit of misinformation being spread here. You do not get -50 reflex by getting hit by the breath. Each time you are hit by one of the dragons breath 2 things happen. You make a save versus the breath, I believe each dragon has a certain save, one is reflex, one is fort, one is will. Now regardless if you save or not you are hit with their invulnerability. This invulnerability makes you susceptible to more dmg of the element of the dragon (ala electric for blue etc.), it also reduces your reflex save by -10. Now these invulnerabilities can stack up to 5 times per dragon. Each stack lasts 1 minute, and it is refreshed if hit by the same breath (ex. you have 2 stacks of black dragon breath at 10 sec left, you then are hit again by the black dragon breath, now you have 3 stacks at 1 min). These stacks will deteriorate each minute, so if you have 4 stacks you need to wait 4 minutes to get rid of the -40 reflex save and the respective vulnerability. Also, keep in mind you can be hit by multiple breaths so if you have 1 stack of blue dragon, 2 stacks of black dragon, and 1 stack of white dragon you have a -40 reflex save and vulnerabilities to cold, electric, and acid dmg. Sorry for the wall of text and hope this clears it up.

Edit: As for the DC of breath, I can attest to failing on a high 70's check versus the white dragon (reflex), I am a little unsure on the black dragon or blue dragon breath DC. And yes if you get hit by breath debuff you are pretty much toast on anything requiring a reflex save for elite epic.

If this is accurate (and Teth is pretty thorough in testing things), this really confuses me.

Is this intended as a tank swap fight (similar to how players handled LOB in the early days, one tank takes aggro until they can't handle it any more then the other picks it up while the first one waits out debuffs)? If so, the breaths are overtuned.

Surviving the breaths more than once every now and again does not appear feasible for any character at present, which is why we completed using a kiting approach.

[Carpone]

The only thing this raid miss is a skip button for the cut scene at the beggining. The rest looks quite nice.
Add a skip button to the end of CitW too.

[Ape_Man]

Huh? Lord of Blades is probably the best raid in the game.

LOB was always meh.

I'm looking forward to this.

[Ape_Man]

Surviving the breaths more than once every now and again does not appear feasible for any character at present, which is why we completed using a kiting approach.

Kiting sucks. it just does, it's a lame way to handle stupid encounters.

I'm really hoping people just didn't figure the tricks out yet because if that's the right way to do things then /fail.

[patang01]

That is all.

Outstanding raid. Fun from start to finish.

/signed

Excellent voice casting as well. Love the new stuff you hear when you run the wilderness and the culminates in the raid. This is my new favorite after all these years - adrenaline fun, never feels too short or too long.

[sirgog]

Kinda thinking the Reaver might do some dragon tanking for a while. We shall see next time this gets run now that the Reaver is supposedly functioning.

Oh and random seeing this post mentioned in the press reviews of U17.

[jbleargh]

This is off topic of the thread, but if Heroic Commendations are going to be needed for multiple items after the Update, why not add them to the loot tables of E-LoB and E-MA? It would be an added incentive to run those raids, I would think.

Please please please. Heroic comms on eLoB. Do it do it do it. Please. Please. Please.

[Shade]

/signed.

Was really fun running the raid knowing it's designer was watching our group play it. And probably laughing maniacally as the surprise undead dragons ambushed and destroyed us after we had been working at it for what was probably over 2 hours counting both attempts.

Also if Madfloyds still working for turbine, he should get one too. He put in a ton of effort the last year to communicate with the community to really get a feel of what we want. I think that helped lead Flimsy and the other devs to get a better feel for what the players want.

I would also name another dev whos salary pool should be the source of said raises, but yea that would be against the rules...

PS: Saw this thread mentioned in the tentonhammer U17 preview:
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/247926/page/2

[Shade]

Well, actually there are a few ways I have figured out how to run this and tank the dragons, but I'd prefer to wait until I know everything in the raid is working (ala reaver etc). But yes I am saying currently, there is a way to tank them. And no it will not require a 90 reflex character or something crazy like that.

Don't really see it as that hard..

1. Lots hp
2. Electr/Cold/Acid absorp. (id just get elec and be careful for the other 2)

I tanked the electric one fine for 50% of his health after massive death penalties without my elec absorp gear. The debuffs aren't that fast and a high hp tank can handle a breath after a debuff or 2.

Most of my deaths were from other players getting too close with multiple dragons or that random lightning bolt trap attack while tanking something else (i guess which was coming from the crystal in the center).

A single dragon on EE, in a well coordinated group doesn't seem that hard to tank on a bbn, without any kind of special reflx or evasion.

And the debuff is 1 min, so you can also run around and avoid breaths tell it wears off, like tanking Sally in MA when your elect debuff gets too many stacks.

[phalaeo]

Really enjoy the new raid~ Thanks, Flimsy and everyone else who worked on it.

[Indoran]

Good job on this one!