DEVS! 10000 motes for Polar Bear in the harbor!!!

[kafrielveddicus]

Why would you advertise something and then only allow the trade in eveningstar when the games run in the harbor as well! Fix it now!

Please /sign if you agree!!!

[Missing_Minds]

Why would you advertise something and then only allow the trade in eveningstar when the games run in the harbor as well! Fix it now!

Please /sign if you agree!!!

Ah, technicalities.

Eberron (harbor side) is Risia games.

Faerun (Eveningstar) is Midwinter games. Midwinter games is where the bear is advertised as being.

They have been advertised correctly, there is nothing to fix. Also do polar bears exist in Eberron? I have no clue.

That aside, it is sad that you can't pick it up on the FR side when it only eats up system resources.

[bartharok]

Eberron seems full of jungles and the like (at least the aprts we know), so it wouldnt be appropriate to have polar bears there

[WruntJunior]

Eberron seems full of jungles and the like (at least the aprts we know), so it wouldnt be appropriate to have polar bears there

Xen'drik (where DDO takes place in Eberron) would not be very likely to have polar bears - they're probably in Frostfell, a polar area in the northern region of Eberron.

[Galeria]

Xen'drik (where DDO takes place in Eberron) would not be very likely to have polar bears - they're probably in Frostfell, a polar area in the northern region of Eberron.

Or Everice, the frozen region south of Xen'drik.

[Gkar]

Xen'drik (where DDO takes place in Eberron) would not be very likely to have polar bears - they're probably in Frostfell, a polar area in the northern region of Eberron.

Why would you think that? Stormreach wouldn't have them as we are at the northern end, but the distance from Stormreach to Tempest Spine or the Desert is roughly the same as from the Desert or TS to everice and the blue spire peaks. Where do you think all those Ice flensers come from? lol

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421132261/eberron/images/d/d8/D%26D_-_4th_Edition_-_Eberron_Map_Xen'Drik.jpg

[kafrielveddicus]

You guys are soooo funny lol.

Polar bears also are from the north pole, yet they have them in the San Diego Zoo, stop being silly!

I have 10000 motes let me purchase a Polar Bear!

It is straws like this that Turbine just keeps adding to the back which keep piling up.

[rdasca]

Personally I think it sucks that my seven year old that just started playing cannot earn the polar bear cub.

[smeggy1384]

Eberron seems full of jungles and the like (at least the aprts we know), so it wouldnt be appropriate to have polar bears there

And why do we have frost wolves? What frosty area could they possibly live in around Stormreach that is unsuitable for a polar bear?

[cdr]

Why would you advertise something and then only allow the trade in eveningstar when the games run in the harbor as well! Fix it now!

Please /sign if you agree!!!

Are the certificates bound? You may be able to trade someone 10K motes for a certificate.

Otherwise, get someone to Bracelet of Friends you.

[Missing_Minds]

Are the certificates bound? You may be able to trade someone 10K motes for a certificate.

Otherwise, get someone to Bracelet of Friends you.
if I heard correctly, the certificates are bound. But the motes are not.

get someone to bracelet you, or accept help in getting across and just have the quests done on casual. At least then you could cross over whenever you wanted. Or is there a min level requirement as well?

[MrLarone]

Personally I think it sucks that my seven year old that just started playing cannot earn the polar bear cub.

So it's better to teach him the value of emotional blackmail rather than the merits of long term investment to gain rewards?

Sorry if that comes across as harsh but your post was a little "think of the children!!!" and I'm sure they'll bring this back next year, if not before, so your kid can get one then if they save for it now.

[Rhomnibus]

If the Eveningstar villagers are selling polar bear cubs in such large quantities, what happens to all the left-over mummy bears?

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/090909/GAL-09Sep09-2587/media/PHO-09Sep09-177258.jpg

:(

[Missing_Minds]

If the Eveningstar villagers are selling polar bear cubs in such large quantities, what happens to all the left-over mummy bears?:(
Their dire situation is remedied by spay painting them brown and releasing them into the King's Forest as a drow deterrent.

[Bolo_Grubb]

Bracelet of friends does not work to bring someone to Eveningstar. We tried it. Does not work.

We were able to take a level 7 character through Lords of Dust, Servants of the Overlord and Spinner of shadows. However got a message that the level 7 character was too low level to beyond the rift.

Yes we were dragging the level 7 through using level 20 just to try and get them to Eveningstar so they could get the polar bear cub they had the motes for.

[Rhomnibus]

Their dire situation is remedied by spay painting them brown and releasing them into the King's Forest as a drow deterrent.

Ah ha! All this time I've been thinking they were dire bears. Now I realise they're dyed bears. My bad.

[Persiflage]

Their dire situation is remedied by spay painting them brown and releasing them into the King's Forest as a drow deterrent.

Oh, well played! +1

Although "spay painting" conjures some uncomfortable images...

[fco-karatekid]

Where do you think all those Ice flensers come from?

Well, I was told when a mommy ice flenser and a daddy ice flenser love each other very much...

[Drekisen]

Ice Flensers are from another plane entirely and not a native inhabitant of Xen'Drik.....

when they pop in on Xen'Drik it is because they were summoned or by some other means.

[Drekisen]

Isn't the Frost Giant area of Reaver's Refuge as well as the small part in the SoS quest in Ebberon somewhere?

I would think that would be suitable....for creatures fond of snow and ice anyways :D

[kafrielveddicus]

It is a magical world why is there even a bother of discussion about where polar bears come from!

point is, just add it to the altar of risia in the harbor, 10000 mote gives the polar bear, easy fix!

When the devs do stupid things like this, I counteract with taking some of my precious time teaching new players in game how not to spend money on the game, its the only way to strike back at them for punishing me in particular with their design.

Signing off, bitter, The Narc!

[Drekisen]

Didn't someone already point out they are two different sets of games.........I am not sure I didn't read the ad to well but it seems maybe you expected something that was never intended in the first place.

That is not really Turbines fault.

That being said I will still /sign them putting a companion trade in prize for the harbor as well :D

[kafrielveddicus]

That being said I will still /sign them putting a companion trade in prize for the harbor as well

Thanks

[rdasca]

So it's better to teach him the value of emotional blackmail rather than the merits of long term investment to gain rewards?

Sorry if that comes across as harsh but your post was a little "think of the children!!!" and I'm sure they'll bring this back next year, if not before, so your kid can get one then if they save for it now.

I have no idea what the heck you are talking about or how "think of the children" has anything at all to do with my post, or how in the world "emotional blackmail" comes into the picture. And just as an aside while you can learn a lot from gaming, if you think using an on-line MMO especially a “Monty Hall” one is a way to teach kids about investing for the future, wow just wow.

I have not read all the other threads about this little oversight on Turbine’s part, but I have read a couple of them, funny I do not see you posting anything like this in any of those threads. Maybe you missed them, or maybe you did not think someone saying “Man Turbine screwed up when they made it so newbies could not get to the event” is the same type of comment as my post or maybe you just like to stir the pot; however, on the off chance you misunderstood my post let me see if I can explain it for you:

Fact one, there is an event going on that is offering a pet.

Fact two, my seven year old really likes the pets in this game and would like to get one.

Fact three, he is willing to earn it (even though I would help him out).

Fact four, he is unable to do so because he has no toons high enough level to get to eveningstar. Not only that no one under level 11 can get there that is not a TR (that I have found).

Fact five, I stated "I think it sucks" Nothing more, nothing less, pretty strait forward comment.

Fact six, at no time did I say the seven year old was mad about it, or that he was in his room crying over it, nor did I say "Fix this now or I and my son are quitting over this!".

Fact seven, what does it matter if they bring it back next year or next week, what does that have to do with anything? This is a game, they may or may not bring it back, did you see cove this year? (though it probably will be back in July for the “Christmas in July” theme Turbine seems to do every year.) Point is do not advertise a free event, a supposedly fun world event and make it so not everyone can participate.

Fact eight, when Turbine made the mabar event they opened Delera’s graveyard to everyone not just the people that owned the pack, they should have done the same in this case, plain and simple.

So next time instead of interjecting your own obvious prejudices on something posted, try reading exactly what is posted and unless shown otherwise assume the poster means exactly what they post. Thank you.

[Missing_Minds]

point is, just add it to the altar of risia in the harbor, 10000 mote gives the polar bear, easy fix!

That would constitute a hot fix, as of such, Turbine will not do so.

However, it may be possible to spawn the related people that exist in eveningstar also in the harbor to accommodate such right now. I don't know how their spawning of trader NPCs works. Their could be system nuances we don't know about with their coding.


This is a game, they may or may not bring it back, did you see cove this year?
Given the fact it is only 11 to 12 days into this year at this time... Nope, I haven't. ;)

I do apologize, I just found it funny.

[Krelar]

Given the fact it is only 11 to 12 days into this year at this time... Nope, I haven't. ;)

I do apologize, I just found it funny.

I was tempted to post a similar comment but made my will save. :D

(By the if he really meant last year then yes we did in fact see the cove at the end of April through the beginning of may (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=370368))

[rdasca]

<snip>


Given the fact it is only 11 to 12 days into this year at this time... Nope, I haven't. ;)

I do apologize, I just found it funny.

lol :D

+1


I was tempted to post a similar comment but made my will save. :D

(By the if he really meant last year then yes we did in fact see the cove at the end of April through the beginning of may (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=370368))

I actually meant back in September for talk like a pirate day (/week) which in the past they have normally run the cove, but ok I stand corrected on that particular point.

[Postumus]

Personally I think it sucks that my seven year old that just started playing cannot earn the polar bear cub.

Well I guess he should have asked Santa for an Otto's Irresistable Box instead of hotwheels!


Seriously though, can't you just grab his character and power level him to 11 in a night and run him to Eveningstar? If the pet is that important, why not?


Conversely, having a seven-year-old mentality myself, he'll probably forget all about it in a couple of weeks. He probably forget DDO even exists once summer is here.

[BlkDrgn28]

Sorry TheNarc but the games in the Harbor and the games in Eveningstar are two separate events as already stated.. here is the actual advertising link http://www.ddo.com/risia explaining the TWO different games and what you can get from them.. SO the Polar Bear cub CAN only be earned in the Midwinter Festival and NOT the Risia Ice games.

[kafrielveddicus]

Sorry TheNarc but the games in the Harbor and the games in Eveningstar are two separate events as already stated.. here is the actual advertising link http://www.ddo.com/risia explaining the TWO different games and what you can get from them.. SO the Polar Bear cub CAN only be earned in the Midwinter Festival and NOT the Risia Ice games.

Thanks for the update!

Edit: maybe they should have made the motes(different motes for different worlds) different too, because I am sure the majority of people are collecting them in the Risia event and spending them in the Midwinter for the polar bears, your update is a very useful and insightful remark!

[rdasca]

Well I guess he should have asked Santa for an Otto's Irresistable Box instead of hotwheels!


Seriously though, can't you just grab his character and power level him to 11 in a night and run him to Eveningstar? If the pet is that important, why not?


Conversely, having a seven-year-old mentality myself, he'll probably forget all about it in a couple of weeks. He probably forget DDO even exists once summer is here.

In order:

he did ask for hotwheels, how did you know? and no way I am spending $50 to level a kid, he can earn each level and feel like did something, trust me a seven year old does not really understand this game can be easy at times, he really gets excited when he levels up, so not taking that away from him.

see last answer, when he plays it is with me and maybe a guildie or two, and he is the ultimate flowersniffer, ever take an hour to run part one of water works? so not doing that either. it is not that the pet is all that important, in the grand scheme of things it means nothing; my point is and has been Turbine should have offered the pet on both sides of the rift, or a way to get to the FR.

and yes, he will find something else shinny to do the next time he logs in, I never said he was mad or even upset about it, he just wanted to try and earn one. now in all honesty this is my fault for letting him know he could go earn motes and turn them in and get a pet cub, because I know how much he likes the few pets he has (all bought on the AH, and mostly earned, I did buy him two of them because I wanted to do so). never in my wildest imagination did I even consider that Turbine would make it so people would be excluded from a world event, I know silly of me. And that is the main point of my post, it is not the fact a kid cannot get a pet, it is and has been the Turbine excluded people from a free world event either on purpose or via negligence, either way it sucks.

[bigolbear]

polar bears tend to live exactly where they want to ;) just ask people living in northern canada or iceland or northern scotland.

As the ice caps melt and teritory reduces, the great sea bear (ursus maritimus) aka polar bear will swim many miles to find a new home and dinner - often encountering human settlements. I read an amusing article once saying that migrating bears had come to the conclusion that humans food was contained in white boxes (refrigerators), and they had been known to attack white cars, and ambulances looking for dinner.

Oh and for what its worth polar bears were actualy misscategorised by scientists originaly - they are infact the same species as the northern european brown bear, just a different bread (eg like differen coloured humans, rather than humans compared to chimps.). polars and browns pruduce viable fertile ofspring - known as 'pale' bears. more than genetic diferences tho there is a notable 'cultural/behavioural' difference - that polars operate in family groups/packs wheras brown bears tend to be solitary.

In the land of ebberon - polarbears would indeed live in the icy depths of everice and the frozen sea
In fearun - it would be up by icewind dale and the sea of swords.

Unlike real life where man is the only animal a polar bear has to fear(and generaly the bears havent learned that yet), there would be many larger predators in both of these realms leading to vastly different behaviour, namely co-operation with other species and increased caution.

Although all animals that exist on earth are represented in most of the d&d relams the existance of larger predators, magical predators and magical environment often lead to changes in the species behaviour and characteristics. Thats why there are 'dire' animals, and animals living in unlikely environs.

This post may have slightly diverged from topic. apologies for that but i hope you found it informative.
ONTOPIC: the advert is for the midwinter festivals which are taking place in evening star. would have been nice if all recipies were in both alters.

PS: the above picture saddens me, i hope there just unconcious being shipped somewhere - and given the scale compared to the nearby humans id estimate those bears are adolesants... not adults.

[Vellrad]

Why would you think that? Stormreach wouldn't have them as we are at the northern end, but the distance from Stormreach to Tempest Spine or the Desert is roughly the same as from the Desert or TS to everice and the blue spire peaks. Where do you think all those Ice flensers come from? lol



Sorry, where is Korthos on this map?

[Postumus]

In order:

he did ask for hotwheels, how did you know?

LOL. Right?


see last answer, when he plays it is with me and maybe a guildie or two, and he is the ultimate flowersniffer, ever take an hour to run part one of water works? so not doing that either.

I meant you actually log into his character when he goes to sleep and the next morning when he logs in he's in Eveningstar. But I can see why you might not want to do that. :)



it is not that the pet is all that important, in the grand scheme of things it means nothing; my point is and has been Turbine should have offered the pet on both sides of the rift, or a way to get to the FR.


Yeah I agree with you, it was an oversight for sure. At the very least, not well thought out.


FYI - My original response was primarily meant as good-natured ribbing. :)

[stretchcore]

Sorry, where is Korthos on this map?
Korthos is located in amongst the islands marked as Shargon's Teeth, as I recall.

[PLUGintoTHEpowerLINE]

Korthos is located in amongst the islands marked as Shargon's Teeth, as I recall.

Bless your heart, I've been trying to figure that out for months.

And yes, I agree, the bear should be on both sides. I'm kinda surprised it's not.

[Missing_Minds]

Bless your heart, I've been trying to figure that out for months.

And yes, I agree, the bear should be on both sides. I'm kinda surprised it's not.

Actually... they should have the bear on Eveningstar and stuck a snow elemental in the Harbor. Or even Jack's ice rat.

At lets then both sides would have pets that represent their respective world persay.

[Postumus]

Please stop talking about the darned bear. I wasn't going to farm motes for it, but the more you talk about it, the more it is on my mind.

I love/hate you all.

[Zorth]

I think 10,000 or even 100,000 motes is no big deal.

I will never get something that is just for show.

The pet you speak of has nothing to do with our characters performance.

[Ryiah]

The pet you speak of has nothing to do with our characters performance.

Well according to some people the extra triangles and texture bog down their PCs. :p

[Gkar]

Sorry, where is Korthos on this map?

It's one of the little islands in the Shargon's Teeth, just east of 3 Barrel Cove

[Nickademus42]

... it is not the fact a kid cannot get a pet ...

There may still be a way. He has earned the motes; he should get the bear. Companions are account-wide (maybe server-wide) so if another character on his account gets the bear, his main character will have it too.

If you have Veteran Status II you can make a lvl 7 character. Then just level it to 9 by farming Deleras for an hour. Get a few high levels on your server (send me a /tell if you are on Khyber) to let the character pike through the chain to Eveningstar. Pull the motes out of the bank and get the cert. Once it is used, you can delete the character or whatever; his main character should have the polar in his stable.

[Persiflage]

There may still be a way. He has earned the motes; he should get the bear. Companions are account-wide (maybe server-wide) so if another character on his account gets the bear, his main character will have it too.

If you have Veteran Status II you can make a lvl 7 character. Then just level it to 9 by farming Deleras for an hour. Get a few high levels on your server (send me a /tell if you are on Khyber) to let the character pike through the chain to Eveningstar. Pull the motes out of the bank and get the cert. Once it is used, you can delete the character or whatever; his main character should have the polar in his stable.

Good suggestion; I'd +1 you if it wasn't turned off :)

I'm in too... do a Who search for Bjorn; so far as I know, any toon on the server with that in the name is mine. (Currently I'm mostly playing: Robobjorn, Bjornscary, Bjornfree, Bjornspir, Bjornagain and MadeNotBjorn). I'll help you rip through the quests to Eveningstar as well, if you're on Khyber and decide to go that route.

[kafrielveddicus]

Problem solved, several of our Permadeath toons have now run thru to eveningstar, just to get access to the bear, but it is still a stupid design by the developers, that kind of fluff should have been available to both worlds!!!

[gradeyshane]

It boggles my mind that people will waste their time farming 10k motes for a FOTW cosmetic pet..who does absolutely nothing but wander around behind you.

IMO the winter games thingy is borked. We get epic level gear from mabar...and cosmetic bears from winter games? ROFL.....

[rdasca]

There may still be a way. He has earned the motes; he should get the bear. Companions are account-wide (maybe server-wide) so if another character on his account gets the bear, his main character will have it too.

If you have Veteran Status II you can make a lvl 7 character. Then just level it to 9 by farming Deleras for an hour. Get a few high levels on your server (send me a /tell if you are on Khyber) to let the character pike through the chain to Eveningstar. Pull the motes out of the bank and get the cert. Once it is used, you can delete the character or whatever; his main character should have the polar in his stable.

Thank you for the suggestion, I have actually tried this, it does not work you cannot get to eveningstar, even piking through all the flagging quest unless you are level 11. Level 9 works for the first set of quest, but the rift quest you must be 11.

The idea would still work except there are no toon slots left on that account, so the only way would be to power level a toon to 11 from level four, as he has vet I not vet II status, and I am not going to power level his main for him. Yes it could be done and heck we may end up doing it, but that was not really the point of my post.

I think a lot of people here got hung up on the fact I said "my seven year old", I in no way meant to imply that because he is a kid he should get what he wants without working for it, or that he is entitled to something because of his age. I used him as an example because he is the one person I personally know that cannot get to the event that would like to; if I personally knew someone else I would have used them as the example or used both people.

I was simply trying to state "It really sucks Turbine made a world event that not everyone can participate in." To my knowledge this is the only time they have ever done this, in the last three and half years I have been here, every pervious event has been accessible by everyone even if they did not own the pack in which the event took place, that zone was opened up for all to access.

[My2Cents]

My apologies, I didn't read this long thread, I just wanted to say in reference to the Thread Title:

I have around 800 or so motes. There are 14 days left. If I get 4 tokens per day and somehow manage to run all 4 and I do "average" thats around 600+ motes per day for me (conservative) which is around 8400 motes + my 800 is 9200 - thats only 800 away. I guess I better up my average!

[Missing_Minds]

I was simply trying to state "It really sucks Turbine made a world event that not everyone can participate in." To my knowledge this is the only time they have ever done this, in the last three and half years I have been here, every pervious event has been accessible by everyone even if they did not own the pack in which the event took place, that zone was opened up for all to access.
Note the one thing. WORLD. Last year there was only one world, Ebberon, to participate in. Now there are two.
If you can not access the world, obviously you can't participate in it. This is hardly unique to DDO.

That stated, I'll re itterate what I said before. It does stink you can't get the bear on the EB side. They really should have put a pet in both worlds. Really have driven people nuts.

I figure it was done as a marketing ploy it get more people to buy stuff over in Eveningstar once there.

[goodspeed]

Personally I think it sucks that my seven year old that just started playing cannot earn the polar bear cub.

Oh Burn!

That's almost as epic of an achievement as http://mattrefghi.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/AchievementUnlocked1.jpg

[Phoenix-daBard]

Fact two, my seven year old really likes the pets in this game and would like to get one.

My four year old made it over okay. In fact she was the only one in the party who didn't die going over.



Fact four, he is unable to do so because he has no toons high enough level to get to eveningstar. Not only that no one under level 11 can get there that is not a TR (that I have found).

Not true if you are willing to use a bracelet of friends in the spinners prison to get him that far then let him pike through the web with you. I've seen several first life level 1 through 7 players in Eveningstar just for the festival.

[Missing_Minds]

Not true if you are willing to use a bracelet of friends in the spinners prison to get him that far then let him pike through the web with you. I've seen several first life level 1 through 7 players in Eveningstar just for the festival.
The area you are in before you enter the quest of "crossing the rift"?

[Gkar]

The area you are in before you enter the quest of "crossing the rift"?

Yup

[DeadlyPoison]

Even F2P can do it because I am F2P.

Run the Web of Chaos three quests.

Then run the Beyond the Rift.

Bam. There is a bank and a mailbox in Eveningstar.

Mail your motes, or share your motes, and you to can purchase a bear.

I wish a bunch of level 20s would have dragged me through, but this way I have sort of learned the quests.

[TekkenDevil]

Also do polar bears exist in Eberron? I have no clue.

Regular bears exist, so why not? Just not indigenous to Xen'Drik.

[pie2655]

Permadeather Problems

[Xynot2]

/Not signed

It's a perk of being in eveningstar. If you aren't there, sorry. Gotta flag for litany, abbott, GH, shroud... No easy button for a cosmetic pet. I'm actually with Turbine on this one.

And 4? Seriously? I wouldn't let my kids TOUCH my computers before they were able to show me they can take care of the older console games.

[Phoenix-daBard]

And 4? Seriously? I wouldn't let my kids TOUCH my computers before they were able to show me they can take care of the older console games.

She has my old laptop which is plenty for DDO. We have not kept her from computers and her favorite games are quite age appropriate on pbskids.org. She just likes to play with her parents on occasion.

In my opinion if you give kids junk they will learn to treat stuff as junk. You give them something worthwhile and teach them how to care for it and they develop habits that will do them good in the future.

[kafrielveddicus]

Permadeather Problems

Actually it isnt, it effects everyone that isnt a powergamer or interested in end game!

And if you read my post above your post you would see that this particular permadeather solver the problem by going thru to eveningstar with his permadeath toon! Thank you for you opinion though!

[gordgray]

In order:

he did ask for hotwheels, how did you know? and no way I am spending $50 to level a kid, he can earn each level and feel like did something, trust me a seven year old does not really understand this game can be easy at times, he really gets excited when he levels up, so not taking that away from him.

see last answer, when he plays it is with me and maybe a guildie or two, and he is the ultimate flowersniffer, ever take an hour to run part one of water works? so not doing that either. it is not that the pet is all that important, in the grand scheme of things it means nothing; my point is and has been Turbine should have offered the pet on both sides of the rift, or a way to get to the FR.

and yes, he will find something else shinny to do the next time he logs in, I never said he was mad or even upset about it, he just wanted to try and earn one. now in all honesty this is my fault for letting him know he could go earn motes and turn them in and get a pet cub, because I know how much he likes the few pets he has (all bought on the AH, and mostly earned, I did buy him two of them because I wanted to do so). never in my wildest imagination did I even consider that Turbine would make it so people would be excluded from a world event, I know silly of me. And that is the main point of my post, it is not the fact a kid cannot get a pet, it is and has been the Turbine excluded people from a free world event either on purpose or via negligence, either way it sucks.

I get what you are doing I just wish other parents also would try to show/teach there kids!

[patang01]

I just can't get excited about the polar bear. A cold beer maybe, but not something that won't help me when evil critters tries to rip me a new one.

That aside I would rather that there was more flexibility on what you can put glacial on.

[Xynot2]

She has my old laptop which is plenty for DDO. We have not kept her from computers and her favorite games are quite age appropriate on pbskids.org. She just likes to play with her parents on occasion.

In my opinion if you give kids junk they will learn to treat stuff as junk. You give them something worthwhile and teach them how to care for it and they develop habits that will do them good in the future.

None of my consoles are treated as junk. Everything is treated well because it's expensive to replace any of it as we live 70 miles from anywhere we could possibly find a deal. We navigate PBS for them(Daniel Tiger is a favorite). And they have their own *computers* such as leap frog- which has to be taken away when it's treated rough. I guess you're just lucky to have a child that is away of the difference between things that can be treated rough and those that cant at an early age.

[Cyiwin]

I was actually thinking of getting my daughter the polar bear before reading this. It's odd that it wouldn't be in the harbor. Seems like kids would be more interested in a cute polar bear following you around than an end gamer...

[pie2655]

Actually it isnt, it effects everyone that isnt a powergamer or interested in end game!

And if you read my post above your post you would see that this particular permadeather solver the problem by going thru to eveningstar with his permadeath toon! Thank you for you opinion though!

Was just trolling, im not stupid. >_>

[Phoenix-daBard]

None of my consoles are treated as junk. Everything is treated well because it's expensive to replace any of it as we live 70 miles from anywhere we could possibly find a deal. We navigate PBS for them(Daniel Tiger is a favorite). And they have their own *computers* such as leap frog- which has to be taken away when it's treated rough. I guess you're just lucky to have a child that is away of the difference between things that can be treated rough and those that cant at an early age.

It was a bad choice of words on my part. But my daughter sees us using laptops and as I have old machines it worked out better for us to setup a locked down laptop of her own that we could monitor and control remotely. This allowed us to teach her how to properly use a laptop and keep her off the two good laptops in the house.