Lesser Reincarnation + Race Change

[HunterjWizzard]

I think DDO needs to add the posibility for a race-change. The easiest way to do this would be bundled with a lesser Reincarnation.

Probably the best thing about DDO is the way every single mistake is correctable:

*Found out you spent your Enhancement points all wrong? Reset!

*Messed up yur build? Lesser reincarnate!

*Bought/Unlocked 32-point builds but playing on a 28? Greater Reincarnate!!

*Tried multi-classing and screwed it right on up? +# Hearts of Wood and Reincarnate!!!

Every single mistake you make can be fixed... except for race. If you aren't happy with the race you chose, tough. Delete the character.

Race is the last problem that can't be fixed by throwing lots of money at it.

[dynahawk]

I would buy one, maybe two, even if it was 50% more than the normal Lesser Wood

[HunterjWizzard]

See I have an account where I started a human wizard and applied a Greater Tome of Learning, then bought the Warforged race. Can't change my poor human into a robot, even though I want a warforged wizard. With all the various things like BTC equipment and tomes that can't be transfered a race change would be very valuable.

[Bolo_Grubb]

I would buy one

[twigzz]

My answer is the same everytime this suggestion pops up.

/signed


Take my money Turbine!! Please!

[OverlordOfRats]

I'll add in my "Please let us have this?".

[Hobgoblin]

while this is something i would never use, i will go ahead and sign it.

for me - i would go tr first rather then lr.

just my 2 cents

hob

[CaptainSpacePony]

I do not support this suggestion. TR allows for a racial change. Rerolling allows for a racial change. I don't feel LR should allow such a major change. Species is even more central to a individual's identity than occupation (race vs class) and the latter can be changed only in small increments.

On a marginally related note, I know a player who loves playing sorcerer, but not wizard. He wished to TR, but wanted the wizard past life. His solution? Cap the character at lvl 25, then start LR multiple times, until he had 11 wizard levels. While he took advantage of an "exploit" related to LR, the hearts of wood were certainly costly.

[sebastianosmith]

I do not support this suggestion. TR allows for a racial change. Rerolling allows for a racial change. I don't feel LR should allow such a major change. Species is even more central to a individual's identity than occupation (race vs class) and the latter can be changed only in small increments.

I am on the fence about this suggestion because of similar reasoning. From a strictly in-world view, lesser reincarnation is more like an intense session with Fred. He can muck about in a character's head all day long but not change race. That it is done through the mechanics of a reincarnation has more to do with consolidation of code and resources.

I could side with the "yes" votes provided the mechanism was offered through a type of Greater Reincarnation as such provides for a physical as well as mental state change. Additionally, I'd like to see something similar for reassigning gender.

[Impaqt]

See I have an account where I started a human wizard and applied a Greater Tome of Learning, then bought the Warforged race. Can't change my poor human into a robot, even though I want a warforged wizard. With all the various things like BTC equipment and tomes that can't be transfered a race change would be very valuable.

Sorry, but just level your human up and then TR into a Warforged. Wizard past lives on wizards are probably the best bang for the buck going.

[Inouk]

As someone who once built a drow cleric thinking drow got a +2 wis, and played to level 14 before realizing otherwise, I wholeheartedly support this. That character is still sitting at level 14 after playing 3 characters to 20, and TRing 2 of them back to 20 or higher again. Once in a rare while I dust her off, try to upgrade her gear a little, then play her only to realize what a gimp she is and shelve her for another 6 months. My WF fighter had issues, but was at least playable to 20 so I could TR into another race.

/signed

and another /signed to letting you change sex

[DanteEnFuego]

My WF wants a sex change. Now. USB "plug and play" compatible?

[rosedarkthorn]

/signed and /signed

[Bacab]

/signed...

But wouldn't removing Drow from the game make this unnecessary?

[the613]

Personally, I think there should be 3 different greater hearts of wood.

-1 for changing from 28 to 32 point build (the current one)
-1 for changing race
-1 for changing sex

I will probably get a lot of insults for what I am about to say, but I'm going to anyway. I started playing ddo a while ago, and one of my oldest and most powerful characters is male. Over my lifetime, I have dealt with stuff that made me recognize that I am a transgender individual. That is, I hate being male (my assigned gender at birth), I wish I could have a female body and be treated as a "normal" female would, and do feminine things, and am often very depressed about it. One of the ways I deal with this is playing ddo, as it lets me imagine myself as the female drow artificer, or my female half elf cleric monkcher. Now I almost never play my oldest, strongest, what used to be my favorite character simply because it is male. If I log on to it, it is to play a raid, or do a single quest, because after that one quest, I don't want to look at my character anymore.


Honestly, If it was a VIP benefit, I would buy VIP for at least a month just do change my one character.

[WruntJunior]

/signed...

But wouldn't removing Drow from the game make this unnecessary?

Hey, some of us quite like our drow. One of the two characters I consider my main (I have a main melee and a main caster) is a drow wizard...the drow hate needs to stop. :/

[Charononus]

You can change it with true reincarnate, you don't even need to cap your toon to do it, just run it to level 20.
/sarcasm

In all seriousness I'm not sure this is that big of an issue where limited resources should be used on it. If they can do it with at most 3 hours of coding time then signed, if it takes more than that tiny amount then /not signed.

[shadereaper33]

From a pure mechanical point of view, this idea sounds really nice. However, within the realm of the actual game, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Lesser reincarnation serves as a means to allow you to retrain yourself, but it doesn't allow for such fundamental changes to the core of the character. Greater reincarnation is the same as lesser, but it affords more builds points if your character was a 28 pt build. True reincarnation does allow for the racial change, but the reason why is because the character you TR "dies" and is reborn as a new character with a bit mroe power from their "past life".

From a meta-game, pure mechanical perspective, /signed.

From an in-game, lore perspective, /not signed.

Ultimately, this is something that I would never use, so whether or not it is implemented doesn't really affect me at all. That said, I will support the idea for those who want, since it has no real negative impact on me.

[Nephilia]

Level up as a WF sorc and then LR in a Human... /signed!!!

[Failedlegend]

Sorry, but just level your human up and then TR into a Warforged. Wizard past lives on wizards are probably the best bang for the buck going.

I'm sorry not all us have as much time to play DDO as you and don't want to waste the precious little time we do have leveling a character we hate, there's no reason to not add race and for that matter sex change to the DDO Store.

/Signed to both

[Alavatar]

From a pure mechanical point of view, this idea sounds really nice. However, within the realm of the actual game, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Magic!

Actually, keep in mind that every Reincarnation done through Kruz destroys the body and rebuilds it. So, even from an in-game perspective the MAGIC should be able to support.

[Wildseed]

I'm sorry not all us have as much time to play DDO as you and don't want to waste the precious little time we do have leveling a character we hate, there's no reason to not add race and for that matter sex change to the DDO Store.

/Signed to both

Perhaps use your free lesser to fix the character's stats? really sounds like a stat problem rather than a race problem since all races are essentially created equal (Unless you're thinking about racial bonuses to 2h weapons, I mean even the poison resistance can be mimicked by an item)

/signed however I have no problem with turbine making more money, no matter what they call the reincarnation.

[Urist]

I'd just like to reiterate an idea I voiced some time ago, which I call False Reincarnation:
Relatively cheap (so noobs can easily fix early noob mistakes), and functionally exactly the same as a TR, except that it resets your character's _current_ incarnation (ie. no extra stats, past life feat, etc.).
It could also be styled as retirement; the handing down of belongings to an heir.

Of course, that doesn't really pertain to the issue at hand; that of a complete lack of gender-change ability; but I'd hope/expect that such functionality would come as an option during TRing, before it appeared anywhere else.

[Ralladan]

But would it mean that the demand on charslots would be reduced? If you can really fix and change everything, you wouldnt have to do another char to try out everything, just one char and then go through all optional stuff with it.

I think its a balance between changeable options and the need for another char to earn money from both, bought charslots and reincarnation.

[HunterjWizzard]

But would it mean that the demand on charslots would be reduced? If you can really fix and change everything, you wouldnt have to do another char to try out everything, just one char and then go through all optional stuff with it.

I think its a balance between changeable options and the need for another char to earn money from both, bought charslots and reincarnation.

Buying a character slot is a one-time 500-600TP cost. Race/Gender changes could be multiple-time 1000-1500+. As someone who's already bought all 10 character slots I can still say I'd take it.

When I initially proposed a race change I hadn't even considered a gender change, but I am definitely /signed on that. Its just an asthetic but its an asthetic people care about.

And as for all the people saying "just level to 20 and TR"... if I can't stand the character enough to play it to 10, how am I going to get to 20? I don't enjoy playing the character but I do not want to give up 9 levels and a greater tome of learning. And I'm not about to consider the ludicrous time investment it would take to cap... Maybe MAYBE if free XP stones come around again, but that was probably a once-in-a-lifetime get.

[jb111]

/signed Race change should be included in one of the Lesser/Greater Hearts of Wood. When you are a casual player on your 3rd and final life, getting to level 20 is challenging. I would like to ditch Dwarf for Human or Helf Monk.